Romans 8: Hope for Glory

[Christ Rose]

https://christrose.news/2024/08/romans-8-hope-for-future-glory.html

Proposition

You should hope for glory.

Romans 8 teaches that believers have a
certain hope in the future glory
promised by God. The chapter opens with
the assurance that there is no
condemnation for those in Christ,
affirming the secure foundation upon
which this hope is built. It describes
the Spirit’s work in our lives,
reminding us that our present sufferings
are incomparable to the glory that
awaits us. It culminates in a powerful
declaration of God’s unbreakable love,
which ensures that nothing can separate
us from Him. Romans 8 provides several
reasons why believers should hope for
glory, each rooted in the promises of
God and the work of the Spirit.

Romans 8 shows several reasons to hope
for glory:

Because Christ Frees from Condemnation
(Romans 8:1-4)

Paul begins by stating that there is
"now no condemnation for those who are
in Christ Jesus" (Romans 8:1). Christ's
sacrificial death liberates believers
from the guilt and penalty of sin,
assuring us of our place in God's family
and our future glorification. This
freedom from condemnation gives us a
firm basis to hope for the promised
glory, as God has justified us through
faith in Christ (Romans 5:1-2). The
epistles further affirm this by teaching
that our justification by faith results
in a sure hope of sharing in the glory
of God.

Because the Spirit Empowers Believers
(Romans 8:5-17)

Paul contrasts living according to the
flesh with living according to the
Spirit, teaching that those who are led
by the Spirit of God are the children of
God (Romans 8:14). The Spirit empowers
believers to live righteously and resist
sin, which is a foretaste of the glory
to come. This empowerment is a guarantee
of our future inheritance, as noted in
Ephesians 1:13-14, where the Spirit is
described as a deposit guaranteeing our
full redemption and glorification in the
future.

Because Glory Outweighs Suffering
(Romans 8:18-25)

Paul acknowledges that present
sufferings are part of our earthly
experience but assures believers that
these sufferings are not worth comparing
with the glory that will be revealed in
us (Romans 8:18). It's not that the
suffering is not bad. It's just that the
glory will be so much better by
comparison. This perspective encourages
believers to endure trials with the hope
that the future glory far surpasses any
present difficulties. Paul speaks of the
redemption of our bodies and the eager
expectation of creation for this
glorious transformation, which aligns
with 2 Corinthians 4:17, emphasizing
that our temporary troubles are
achieving an eternal glory.

Because the Spirit Intercedes (Romans
8:26-27)

Paul explains that the Spirit helps us
in our weakness by interceding for us
with groanings too deep for words
(Romans 8:26). This intercession aligns
our prayers with God's will, providing
comfort and assurance that God is
working everything out for our good and
His glory. The Spirit’s intercession
encourages us to hope for glory, knowing
that God’s Spirit is actively advocating
on our behalf, just as Hebrews 7:25
describes Jesus’ continual intercession
for us as our high priest.

Because God’s Love Secures Us (Romans
8:28-39)

Paul concludes with a declaration of
God's unwavering love, asserting that
nothing can separate us from the love of
God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord
(Romans 8:39). This unbreakable bond
assures us that our future glory is
secure, regardless of trials or
challenges. This assurance strengthens
our hope, as nothing in all creation can
sever the relationship between God and
His children. The epistles further
develop this theme, particularly in
Ephesians 1:4-5, where Paul speaks of
God's predestining love that guarantees
our future glory.

Invitation

If you are here today and have not
placed your trust in Christ, I urge you
to consider the message of Romans 8.
This chapter speaks of a life free from
condemnation, empowered by the Spirit,
and filled with hope for future glory
and assurance in God's love. All these
promises are available to those who are
in Christ Jesus. The Bible teaches that
we all have sinned and fall short of the
glory of God, and the wages of sin is
death (Romans 3:23; 6:23). But God, in
His mercy, provided a way for us to be
reconciled to Him through the death and
resurrection of His Son, Jesus Christ.
Christ’s death on the cross paid the
penalty for our sins, satisfying God's
righteous demands. By raising Him from
the dead, God has proven that He has
accepted Christ's sacrifice on our
behalf. If you confess with your mouth
that Jesus is Lord and believe in your
heart that God raised Him from the dead,
you will be saved (Romans 10:9-10). I
invite you to trust in Christ today, to
call on His name, and ask Him to save
you on the basis of Christ's
propitiating atonement for your sins.
Trust in His finished work, and you will
experience the peace, hope, and
confidence that only He can provide.


--
Have you heard the good news Christ died
for our sins (†), and God raised Him
from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows
we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the
dead shows Christ's death satisfied
God's righteous demands against our sin
(Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2). This means
God can now remain just, while forgiving
you of your sins, and saving you from
eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and
resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you:
"For "everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved."" (Romans
10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation

[Robert]

Post by Christ Rose
https://christrose.news/2024/08/romans-8-hope-for-future-glory.html
Proposition
You should hope for glory.

Have you any idea of what that means in the first part of this chapter?

Post by Christ Rose
Romans 8 teaches that believers have a
certain hope in the future glory
promised by God. The chapter opens with
the assurance that there is no
condemnation for those in Christ,

You neglected a very, very, vital part of that scripture right out of the
chute, for it says,...

Rom 8:1

1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus,
who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

IOW’s not just those which are in Christ Jesus, but those who do not walk
in the flesh, but after the Spirit of God.

The failure to do so is why scripture speaks of those being judged in the
end, who say to Him, the Judge, But, but, Lord did we not do mighty things in
thy name, and he will reply to them depart from me, I never knew you. Yeah,
the religious christians. Those are the people who for all eternity will say,
I should’ve, I could’ve, I would’ve in bondage and despair.

I would strongly recommend that you go back over this chapter and actually
read each and every verse, line by line, as you have missed so much of the
key points in this chapter, of which there are many. But focus on the first
11 verses, resolve the understanding of those with the Lord, one on one, and
not AI, nor the doctrines of men.

Pay careful attention to verse three as it speaks to why there are so many
“christian” failures.

If you can understand those scriptures it will go a very long way to
understand the rest of this chapter, if you truly care about knowing, and
will lead you into understand of what the glory is that you mentioned at the
top of your post.

Post by Christ Rose
affirming the secure foundation upon
which this hope is built. It describes
the Spirit’s work in our lives,
reminding us that our present sufferings
are incomparable to the glory that
awaits us. It culminates in a powerful
declaration of God’s unbreakable love,
which ensures that nothing can separate
us from Him. Romans 8 provides several
reasons why believers should hope for
glory, each rooted in the promises of
God and the work of the Spirit.
Romans 8 shows several reasons to hope
Because Christ Frees from Condemnation
(Romans 8:1-4)
Paul begins by stating that there is
"now no condemnation for those who are
in Christ Jesus" (Romans 8:1). Christ's
sacrificial death liberates believers
from the guilt and penalty of sin,
assuring us of our place in God's family
and our future glorification. This
freedom from condemnation gives us a
firm basis to hope for the promised
glory, as God has justified us through
faith in Christ (Romans 5:1-2). The
epistles further affirm this by teaching
that our justification by faith results
in a sure hope of sharing in the glory
of God.
Because the Spirit Empowers Believers
(Romans 8:5-17)
Paul contrasts living according to the
flesh with living according to the
Spirit, teaching that those who are led
by the Spirit of God are the children of
God (Romans 8:14). The Spirit empowers
believers to live righteously and resist
sin, which is a foretaste of the glory
to come. This empowerment is a guarantee
of our future inheritance, as noted in
Ephesians 1:13-14, where the Spirit is
described as a deposit guaranteeing our
full redemption and glorification in the
future.
Because Glory Outweighs Suffering
(Romans 8:18-25)
Paul acknowledges that present
sufferings are part of our earthly
experience but assures believers that
these sufferings are not worth comparing
with the glory that will be revealed in
us (Romans 8:18). It's not that the
suffering is not bad. It's just that the
glory will be so much better by
comparison. This perspective encourages
believers to endure trials with the hope
that the future glory far surpasses any
present difficulties. Paul speaks of the
redemption of our bodies and the eager
expectation of creation for this
glorious transformation, which aligns
with 2 Corinthians 4:17, emphasizing
that our temporary troubles are
achieving an eternal glory.
Because the Spirit Intercedes (Romans
8:26-27)
Paul explains that the Spirit helps us
in our weakness by interceding for us
with groanings too deep for words
(Romans 8:26). This intercession aligns
our prayers with God's will, providing
comfort and assurance that God is
working everything out for our good and
His glory. The Spirit’s intercession
encourages us to hope for glory, knowing
that God’s Spirit is actively advocating
on our behalf, just as Hebrews 7:25
describes Jesus’ continual intercession
for us as our high priest.
Because God’s Love Secures Us (Romans
8:28-39)
Paul concludes with a declaration of
God's unwavering love, asserting that
nothing can separate us from the love of
God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord
(Romans 8:39). This unbreakable bond
assures us that our future glory is
secure, regardless of trials or
challenges. This assurance strengthens
our hope, as nothing in all creation can
sever the relationship between God and
His children. The epistles further
develop this theme, particularly in
Ephesians 1:4-5, where Paul speaks of
God's predestining love that guarantees
our future glory.
Invitation
If you are here today and have not
placed your trust in Christ, I urge you
to consider the message of Romans 8.
This chapter speaks of a life free from
condemnation, empowered by the Spirit,
and filled with hope for future glory
and assurance in God's love. All these
promises are available to those who are
in Christ Jesus. The Bible teaches that
we all have sinned and fall short of the
glory of God, and the wages of sin is
death (Romans 3:23; 6:23). But God, in
His mercy, provided a way for us to be
reconciled to Him through the death and
resurrection of His Son, Jesus Christ.
Christ’s death on the cross paid the
penalty for our sins, satisfying God's
righteous demands. By raising Him from
the dead, God has proven that He has
accepted Christ's sacrifice on our
behalf. If you confess with your mouth
that Jesus is Lord and believe in your
heart that God raised Him from the dead,
you will be saved (Romans 10:9-10). I
invite you to trust in Christ today, to
call on His name, and ask Him to save
you on the basis of Christ's
propitiating atonement for your sins.
Trust in His finished work, and you will
experience the peace, hope, and
confidence that only He can provide.

[In the Name of Jesus]

Post by Robert

Post by Christ Rose
https://christrose.news/2024/08/romans-8-hope-for-future-glory.html
Proposition
You should hope for glory.

Have you any idea of what that means in the first part of this chapter?

You see?

Failure.

Post by Robert

Post by Christ Rose
Romans 8 teaches that believers have a
certain hope in the future glory
promised by God. The chapter opens with
the assurance that there is no
condemnation for those in Christ,

You neglected a very, very, vital part of that scripture right out of the
chute, for it says,...

Failure.

Everything must flow through the funnel of Robert Religion's religion or
you are a failure. :-).

Remember what was said, "He thinks he is scriptural truth."

The spirit of Satan seeks to establish itself as fact, reality, and
truth (God).

Robert can't help being what he is, but that is no excuse. Why? Because
it is required to call upon the Lord.






In the Name of Jesus

Post by Robert
Rom 8:1
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus,
who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
IOW’s not just those which are in Christ Jesus, but those who do not walk
in the flesh, but after the Spirit of God.
The failure to do so is why scripture speaks of those being judged in the
end, who say to Him, the Judge, But, but, Lord did we not do mighty things in
thy name, and he will reply to them depart from me, I never knew you. Yeah,
the religious christians. Those are the people who for all eternity will say,
I should’ve, I could’ve, I would’ve in bondage and despair.
I would strongly recommend that you go back over this chapter and actually
read each and every verse, line by line, as you have missed so much of the
key points in this chapter, of which there are many. But focus on the first
11 verses, resolve the understanding of those with the Lord, one on one, and
not AI, nor the doctrines of men.
Pay careful attention to verse three as it speaks to why there are so many
“christian” failures.
If you can understand those scriptures it will go a very long way to
understand the rest of this chapter, if you truly care about knowing, and
will lead you into understand of what the glory is that you mentioned at the
top of your post.

Post by Christ Rose
affirming the secure foundation upon
which this hope is built. It describes
the Spirit’s work in our lives,
reminding us that our present sufferings
are incomparable to the glory that
awaits us. It culminates in a powerful
declaration of God’s unbreakable love,
which ensures that nothing can separate
us from Him. Romans 8 provides several
reasons why believers should hope for
glory, each rooted in the promises of
God and the work of the Spirit.
Romans 8 shows several reasons to hope
Because Christ Frees from Condemnation
(Romans 8:1-4)
Paul begins by stating that there is
"now no condemnation for those who are
in Christ Jesus" (Romans 8:1). Christ's
sacrificial death liberates believers
from the guilt and penalty of sin,
assuring us of our place in God's family
and our future glorification. This
freedom from condemnation gives us a
firm basis to hope for the promised
glory, as God has justified us through
faith in Christ (Romans 5:1-2). The
epistles further affirm this by teaching
that our justification by faith results
in a sure hope of sharing in the glory
of God.
Because the Spirit Empowers Believers
(Romans 8:5-17)
Paul contrasts living according to the
flesh with living according to the
Spirit, teaching that those who are led
by the Spirit of God are the children of
God (Romans 8:14). The Spirit empowers
believers to live righteously and resist
sin, which is a foretaste of the glory
to come. This empowerment is a guarantee
of our future inheritance, as noted in
Ephesians 1:13-14, where the Spirit is
described as a deposit guaranteeing our
full redemption and glorification in the
future.
Because Glory Outweighs Suffering
(Romans 8:18-25)
Paul acknowledges that present
sufferings are part of our earthly
experience but assures believers that
these sufferings are not worth comparing
with the glory that will be revealed in
us (Romans 8:18). It's not that the
suffering is not bad. It's just that the
glory will be so much better by
comparison. This perspective encourages
believers to endure trials with the hope
that the future glory far surpasses any
present difficulties. Paul speaks of the
redemption of our bodies and the eager
expectation of creation for this
glorious transformation, which aligns
with 2 Corinthians 4:17, emphasizing
that our temporary troubles are
achieving an eternal glory.
Because the Spirit Intercedes (Romans
8:26-27)
Paul explains that the Spirit helps us
in our weakness by interceding for us
with groanings too deep for words
(Romans 8:26). This intercession aligns
our prayers with God's will, providing
comfort and assurance that God is
working everything out for our good and
His glory. The Spirit’s intercession
encourages us to hope for glory, knowing
that God’s Spirit is actively advocating
on our behalf, just as Hebrews 7:25
describes Jesus’ continual intercession
for us as our high priest.
Because God’s Love Secures Us (Romans
8:28-39)
Paul concludes with a declaration of
God's unwavering love, asserting that
nothing can separate us from the love of
God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord
(Romans 8:39). This unbreakable bond
assures us that our future glory is
secure, regardless of trials or
challenges. This assurance strengthens
our hope, as nothing in all creation can
sever the relationship between God and
His children. The epistles further
develop this theme, particularly in
Ephesians 1:4-5, where Paul speaks of
God's predestining love that guarantees
our future glory.
Invitation
If you are here today and have not
placed your trust in Christ, I urge you
to consider the message of Romans 8.
This chapter speaks of a life free from
condemnation, empowered by the Spirit,
and filled with hope for future glory
and assurance in God's love. All these
promises are available to those who are
in Christ Jesus. The Bible teaches that
we all have sinned and fall short of the
glory of God, and the wages of sin is
death (Romans 3:23; 6:23). But God, in
His mercy, provided a way for us to be
reconciled to Him through the death and
resurrection of His Son, Jesus Christ.
Christ’s death on the cross paid the
penalty for our sins, satisfying God's
righteous demands. By raising Him from
the dead, God has proven that He has
accepted Christ's sacrifice on our
behalf. If you confess with your mouth
that Jesus is Lord and believe in your
heart that God raised Him from the dead,
you will be saved (Romans 10:9-10). I
invite you to trust in Christ today, to
call on His name, and ask Him to save
you on the basis of Christ's
propitiating atonement for your sins.
Trust in His finished work, and you will
experience the peace, hope, and
confidence that only He can provide.

--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: a man full of bluster and bullshit in his
meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

"What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence."

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."

"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."

"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."

[Robert]

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Post by Robert

Post by Christ Rose
https://christrose.news/2024/08/romans-8-hope-for-future-glory.html
Proposition
You should hope for glory.

Have you any idea of what that means in the first part of this chapter?

You see?
Failure.

Post by Robert

Post by Christ Rose
Romans 8 teaches that believers have a
certain hope in the future glory
promised by God. The chapter opens with
the assurance that there is no
condemnation for those in Christ,

You neglected a very, very, vital part of that scripture right out of the
chute, for it says,...

Failure.
Everything must flow through the funnel of Robert Religion's religion or
you are a failure. :-).
Remember what was said, "He thinks he is scriptural truth."
The spirit of Satan seeks to establish itself as fact, reality, and
truth (God).
Robert can't help being what he is, but that is no excuse. Why? Because
it is required to call upon the Lord.
In the Name of Jesus

Always the accuser, with no foundation of Facts. The story of your life.

Post by In the Name of Jesus

Post by Robert
Rom 8:1
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus,
who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
IOW’s not just those which are in Christ Jesus, but those who do not walk
in the flesh, but after the Spirit of God.
The failure to do so is why scripture speaks of those being judged in the
end, who say to Him, the Judge, But, but, Lord did we not do mighty things in
thy name, and he will reply to them depart from me, I never knew you. Yeah,
the religious christians. Those are the people who for all eternity will say,
I should’ve, I could’ve, I would’ve in bondage and despair.
I would strongly recommend that you go back over this chapter and actually
read each and every verse, line by line, as you have missed so much of the
key points in this chapter, of which there are many. But focus on the first
11 verses, resolve the understanding of those with the Lord, one on one, and
not AI, nor the doctrines of men.
Pay careful attention to verse three as it speaks to why there are so many
“christian” failures.
If you can understand those scriptures it will go a very long way to
understand the rest of this chapter, if you truly care about knowing, and
will lead you into understand of what the glory is that you mentioned at the
top of your post.

Post by Christ Rose
affirming the secure foundation upon
which this hope is built. It describes
the Spirit’s work in our lives,
reminding us that our present sufferings
are incomparable to the glory that
awaits us. It culminates in a powerful
declaration of God’s unbreakable love,
which ensures that nothing can separate
us from Him. Romans 8 provides several
reasons why believers should hope for
glory, each rooted in the promises of
God and the work of the Spirit.
Romans 8 shows several reasons to hope
Because Christ Frees from Condemnation
(Romans 8:1-4)
Paul begins by stating that there is
"now no condemnation for those who are
in Christ Jesus" (Romans 8:1). Christ's
sacrificial death liberates believers
from the guilt and penalty of sin,
assuring us of our place in God's family
and our future glorification. This
freedom from condemnation gives us a
firm basis to hope for the promised
glory, as God has justified us through
faith in Christ (Romans 5:1-2). The
epistles further affirm this by teaching
that our justification by faith results
in a sure hope of sharing in the glory
of God.
Because the Spirit Empowers Believers
(Romans 8:5-17)
Paul contrasts living according to the
flesh with living according to the
Spirit, teaching that those who are led
by the Spirit of God are the children of
God (Romans 8:14). The Spirit empowers
believers to live righteously and resist
sin, which is a foretaste of the glory
to come. This empowerment is a guarantee
of our future inheritance, as noted in
Ephesians 1:13-14, where the Spirit is
described as a deposit guaranteeing our
full redemption and glorification in the
future.
Because Glory Outweighs Suffering
(Romans 8:18-25)
Paul acknowledges that present
sufferings are part of our earthly
experience but assures believers that
these sufferings are not worth comparing
with the glory that will be revealed in
us (Romans 8:18). It's not that the
suffering is not bad. It's just that the
glory will be so much better by
comparison. This perspective encourages
believers to endure trials with the hope
that the future glory far surpasses any
present difficulties. Paul speaks of the
redemption of our bodies and the eager
expectation of creation for this
glorious transformation, which aligns
with 2 Corinthians 4:17, emphasizing
that our temporary troubles are
achieving an eternal glory.
Because the Spirit Intercedes (Romans
8:26-27)
Paul explains that the Spirit helps us
in our weakness by interceding for us
with groanings too deep for words
(Romans 8:26). This intercession aligns
our prayers with God's will, providing
comfort and assurance that God is
working everything out for our good and
His glory. The Spirit’s intercession
encourages us to hope for glory, knowing
that God’s Spirit is actively advocating
on our behalf, just as Hebrews 7:25
describes Jesus’ continual intercession
for us as our high priest.
Because God’s Love Secures Us (Romans
8:28-39)
Paul concludes with a declaration of
God's unwavering love, asserting that
nothing can separate us from the love of
God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord
(Romans 8:39). This unbreakable bond
assures us that our future glory is
secure, regardless of trials or
challenges. This assurance strengthens
our hope, as nothing in all creation can
sever the relationship between God and
His children. The epistles further
develop this theme, particularly in
Ephesians 1:4-5, where Paul speaks of
God's predestining love that guarantees
our future glory.
Invitation
If you are here today and have not
placed your trust in Christ, I urge you
to consider the message of Romans 8.
This chapter speaks of a life free from
condemnation, empowered by the Spirit,
and filled with hope for future glory
and assurance in God's love. All these
promises are available to those who are
in Christ Jesus. The Bible teaches that
we all have sinned and fall short of the
glory of God, and the wages of sin is
death (Romans 3:23; 6:23). But God, in
His mercy, provided a way for us to be
reconciled to Him through the death and
resurrection of His Son, Jesus Christ.
Christ’s death on the cross paid the
penalty for our sins, satisfying God's
righteous demands. By raising Him from
the dead, God has proven that He has
accepted Christ's sacrifice on our
behalf. If you confess with your mouth
that Jesus is Lord and believe in your
heart that God raised Him from the dead,
you will be saved (Romans 10:9-10). I
invite you to trust in Christ today, to
call on His name, and ask Him to save
you on the basis of Christ's
propitiating atonement for your sins.
Trust in His finished work, and you will
experience the peace, hope, and
confidence that only He can provide.

[In the Name of Jesus]

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Proposition
You should hope for glory.

Have you any idea of what that means in the first part of this chapter?

You see?
Failure.

Post by Robert

Post by Christ Rose
Romans 8 teaches that believers have a
certain hope in the future glory
promised by God. The chapter opens with
the assurance that there is no
condemnation for those in Christ,

You neglected a very, very, vital part of that scripture right out of the
chute, for it says,...

Failure.
Everything must flow through the funnel of Robert Religion's religion or
you are a failure. :-).
Remember what was said, "He thinks he is scriptural truth."
The spirit of Satan seeks to establish itself as fact, reality, and
truth (God).
Robert can't help being what he is, but that is no excuse. Why? Because
it is required to call upon the Lord.
In the Name of Jesus

Always the accuser, with no foundation of Facts. The story of your life.

Oh shut up.

You are the failure, not others.







In the Name of Jesus
--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: a man full of bluster and bullshit in his
meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

"What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence."

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."

"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."

"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."

[Robert]

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Post by Christ Rose
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Proposition
You should hope for glory.

Have you any idea of what that means in the first part of this chapter?

You see?
Failure.

Post by Robert

Post by Christ Rose
Romans 8 teaches that believers have a
certain hope in the future glory
promised by God. The chapter opens with
the assurance that there is no
condemnation for those in Christ,

You neglected a very, very, vital part of that scripture right out of the
chute, for it says,...

Failure.
Everything must flow through the funnel of Robert Religion's religion or
you are a failure. :-).
Remember what was said, "He thinks he is scriptural truth."
The spirit of Satan seeks to establish itself as fact, reality, and
truth (God).
Robert can't help being what he is, but that is no excuse. Why? Because
it is required to call upon the Lord.
In the Name of Jesus

Always the accuser, with no foundation of Facts. The story of your life.

Oh shut up.
You are the failure, not others.
In the Name of Jesus

Who said you were the failure?

[In the Name of Jesus]

Post by Robert

Post by In the Name of Jesus

Post by Robert

Post by In the Name of Jesus

Post by Robert

Post by Christ Rose
https://christrose.news/2024/08/romans-8-hope-for-future-glory.html
Proposition
You should hope for glory.

Have you any idea of what that means in the first part of this chapter?

You see?
Failure.

Post by Robert

Post by Christ Rose
Romans 8 teaches that believers have a
certain hope in the future glory
promised by God. The chapter opens with
the assurance that there is no
condemnation for those in Christ,

You neglected a very, very, vital part of that scripture right out of the
chute, for it says,...

Failure.
Everything must flow through the funnel of Robert Religion's religion or
you are a failure. :-).
Remember what was said, "He thinks he is scriptural truth."
The spirit of Satan seeks to establish itself as fact, reality, and
truth (God).
Robert can't help being what he is, but that is no excuse. Why? Because
it is required to call upon the Lord.
In the Name of Jesus

Always the accuser, with no foundation of Facts. The story of your life.

Oh shut up.
You are the failure, not others.
In the Name of Jesus

Who said you were the failure?

You are pathetic, Robert.0

You were warned and warned and warned but you just couldn't shut the
fuck up, and you still don't!





In the Name of Jesus
--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: a man full of bluster and bullshit in his
meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

"What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence."

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."

"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."

"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."

[Robert]

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Post by Christ Rose
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Proposition
You should hope for glory.

Have you any idea of what that means in the first part of this chapter?

You see?
Failure.

Post by Robert

Post by Christ Rose
Romans 8 teaches that believers have a
certain hope in the future glory
promised by God. The chapter opens with
the assurance that there is no
condemnation for those in Christ,

You neglected a very, very, vital part of that scripture right out of
the
chute, for it says,...

Failure.
Everything must flow through the funnel of Robert Religion's religion or
you are a failure. :-).
Remember what was said, "He thinks he is scriptural truth."
The spirit of Satan seeks to establish itself as fact, reality, and
truth (God).
Robert can't help being what he is, but that is no excuse. Why? Because
it is required to call upon the Lord.
In the Name of Jesus

Always the accuser, with no foundation of Facts. The story of your life.

Oh shut up.
You are the failure, not others.
In the Name of Jesus

Who said you were the failure?

You are pathetic, Robert.0
You were warned and warned and warned but you just couldn't shut the
fuck up, and you still don't!
In the Name of Jesus

Why is it that you could not answer that question?

Why is it that you walk in the flesh?

[In the Name of Jesus]

Post by Robert

Post by In the Name of Jesus

Post by Robert

Post by In the Name of Jesus

Post by Robert

Post by In the Name of Jesus

Post by Robert

Post by Christ Rose
https://christrose.news/2024/08/romans-8-hope-for-future-glory.html
Proposition
You should hope for glory.

Have you any idea of what that means in the first part of this chapter?

You see?
Failure.

Post by Robert

Post by Christ Rose
Romans 8 teaches that believers have a
certain hope in the future glory
promised by God. The chapter opens with
the assurance that there is no
condemnation for those in Christ,

You neglected a very, very, vital part of that scripture right out of the
chute, for it says,...

Failure.
Everything must flow through the funnel of Robert Religion's religion or
you are a failure. :-).
Remember what was said, "He thinks he is scriptural truth."
The spirit of Satan seeks to establish itself as fact, reality, and
truth (God).
Robert can't help being what he is, but that is no excuse. Why? Because
it is required to call upon the Lord.
In the Name of Jesus

Always the accuser, with no foundation of Facts. The story of your life.

Oh shut up.
You are the failure, not others.
In the Name of Jesus

Who said you were the failure?

You are pathetic, Robert.0
You were warned and warned and warned but you just couldn't shut the
fuck up, and you still don't!
In the Name of Jesus

Why is it that you could not answer that question?
Why is it that you walk in the flesh?

You are the failure, not ChristRose, not me, not others.

You sowed it.



In the Name of Jesus
--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: a man full of bluster and bullshit in his
meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

"What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence."

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."

"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."

"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."

[Christ Rose]

========================================
Wed, 28 Aug 2024 16:59:30 -0700,
<vaodl2$3ln26$***@dont-email.me>
Robert <***@no.way> wrote:
========================================

Post by Robert
Always the accuser, with no foundation of Facts. The story of your life.

That's you, dumb hypocrite:

1) Michael says believers need to lose
their life.

========================================
Sat, 24 Aug 2024 09:22:32 +1000,
<vab5jo$1277l$***@dont-email.me>
In the Name of Jesus
<***@outlook.com> wrote:
========================================

Post by Robert
That is why one absolutely, essentially, needs to lose their life.

========================================

A) That is exactly correct, and what the
Bible teaches in many passages of
Scripture. Yet you falsely deny it and
labeled it as "not" being "the way of
Jesus the Messiah".

B) Notice, he did not say anything about
losing your life for some sake other
than for the sake of Christ. It was
_you_ who tried to impute that false
motive to Michael's words.


2) Robert says this is what cults and
druggies say, and that this is "not the
way of Jesus the Messiah":

========================================
Sat, 24 Aug 2024 11:07:20 -0700,
<vad7go$1g1m2$***@dont-email.me>
Robert <***@no.way> wrote:
========================================
[Michael wrote]

Post by Robert

That is why one absolutely, essentially, needs to lose their life.

That is what those with meditation type cults speak, or druggies say, to give
yourself over and let loose. Clear your mind, and so on.
That is not the way of Jesus the Messiah. And for good reason.

========================================

Thus, you impute your own false motives
and ideas to Michael's words (not what
he actually said), to poison people's
minds, as if people will be too stupid
to notice.

3) I show from Scripture after
Scripture, that losing your life is in
fact the way of Jesus the Messiah:

========================================
Sat, 24 Aug 2024 15:39:18 -0500,

<***@christrose.news>
Christ Rose <***@christrose.news>
wrote:
========================================

Post by Robert

That is what those with meditation type cults speak, or druggies say, to give
yourself over and let loose. Clear your mind, and so on.
That is not the way of Jesus the Messiah. And for good reason.

You call people "dumber than a rock"?
Losing your life was absolutely the way
Matthew 10:39: "Whoever finds his life
will lose it, and whoever loses his life
for my sake will find it" (Matthew
10:39, ESV).
Matthew 16:25: "For whoever would save
his life will lose it, but whoever loses
his life for my sake will find it"
(Matthew 16:25, ESV).
Mark 8:35: "For whoever would save his
life will lose it, but whoever loses his
life for my sake and the gospel's will
save it" (Mark 8:35, ESV).
Luke 9:24: "For whoever would save his
life will lose it, but whoever loses his
life for my sake will save it" (Luke
9:24, ESV).
Luke 17:33: "Whoever seeks to preserve
his life will lose it, but whoever loses
his life will keep it" (Luke 17:33,
ESV).

========================================

4) You then tried to justify your denial
that this is the way of Jesus the
Messiah, by imputing wrong motives to
Michael's words:

========================================
Sat, 24 Aug 2024 16:08:35 -0700,
<vadp5j$1inqd$***@dont-email.me>
Robert <***@no.way> wrote:
========================================

Post by Robert
Notice the extreme difference there? “For MY Sake”.

[Show me where Michael said you should
lose your life for your own sake, or for
the sake of someone other than Christ,
you dumb liar. That's what _you_ said
and tried to impute as the necessary
meaning of what Michael said, when it is
not.

The extreme difference here, is not
between what Michael said and what the
Bible said (on this subject, he said
exactly what the Bible says). It's
between what Michael said and the
meaning you falsely tried to attribute
to what Michael said.]

Post by Robert
That was not noted by the OP, nor did you point it out.

[Of course it wasn't noted by the OP,
and now you admit it. It was noted by
you, contrary to the fact Michael said
no such thing. You are absolutely
twisted in your effort to present this
as a rational justification for your own
imputed lies and false narrative.

The OP didn't say you must lose your
life for your own sake or for the sake
of someone other than Christ. You tried
to impute that meaning to what he said,
despite the fact you now admit he didn't
note any such thing. You dumb, twisted
liar. How stupid do you think people
have to be to not notice your ongoing,
persistent efforts to impute false
narratives and motives to others?

You're the dumb hypocrite who had no
basis to conclude Michael was wrong
about that, who contradicted what the
Bible plainly says about the _fact_ that
Jesus was all about losing your life,
and who then tried to impute a false
narrative and motive to Michael's words
which they neither said nor
necessitated, to justify your false,
baseless condemnation and denial of the
Bible truth and fact that the Bible does
teach we should lose our lives, and the
fact this is the way of Jesus the
Messiah.

Yet here you are pretending like you're
pointing out some distinction that
everyone but you failed to notice.

Post by Robert
Yes, I posted against the thought suggested by MM as it is a very well known
phrase by those outside of Jesus. "Let it be” a variant of the new age
teachings, as well as what I mentioned before.

[idem. Dumb deceiver. Show where Michael
said you need to lose your life for some
cause other than for the sake of Christ.
You won't.]

Post by Robert
That you are not aware of it is on you.

[Dumb liar. You operate as if people
will be unaware that Michael did not say
anything resembling "You must lose your
life for your own sake, or for any sake
someone than Christ".

You imputed that idea out of your own
mind, and tried to attribute it as the
necessary meaning of Michael's words, as
if people would be too stupid to
notice.]
========================================

I'm saving this one. Until you have a
change of mind about your deceitful
tactics and the false imputation of your
own false narratives and context to
nearly every discussion, I will regard
you as the deceitful troll, Diotrephes,
and dumb liar that your pattern
indicates you are.


--
Have you heard the good news Christ died
for our sins (†), and God raised Him
from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows
we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the
dead shows Christ's death satisfied
God's righteous demands against our sin
(Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2). This means
God can now remain just, while forgiving
you of your sins, and saving you from
eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and
resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you:
"For "everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved."" (Romans
10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation

[Robert]

Post by Christ Rose
========================================
Wed, 28 Aug 2024 16:59:30 -0700,
========================================

Post by Robert
Always the accuser, with no foundation of Facts. The story of your life.

1) Michael says believers need to lose
their life.

No, He didn’t. Read your post just where did it mention ‘believers’?
Hmmmm

Bearing false witness are you?

Post by Christ Rose
========================================
Sat, 24 Aug 2024 09:22:32 +1000,
In the Name of Jesus
========================================

Post by Robert
That is why one absolutely, essentially, needs to lose their life.

========================================
A) That is exactly correct, and what the
Bible teaches in many passages of
Scripture. Yet you falsely deny it and
labeled it as "not" being "the way of
Jesus the Messiah".

Again you bear false witness.

Post by Christ Rose
B) Notice, he did not say anything about
losing your life for some sake other
than for the sake of Christ. It was
_you_ who tried to impute that false
motive to Michael's words.

Again you bear false witness.
I spoke of his lack of clarity, just giving out a generic statement similar
to current cults, and a lost person familiar with such things would easily
take his statements the wrong way, just like you took it.

Post by Christ Rose
2) Robert says this is what cults and
druggies say, and that this is "not the

Again you bear false witness.
Also, Jesus did not “lose his life”
I also was clear in my reasoning, yet you chose to lie.

Post by Christ Rose
========================================
Sat, 24 Aug 2024 11:07:20 -0700,
========================================
[Michael wrote]

Post by Robert

Post by Robert
That is why one absolutely, essentially, needs to lose their life.

That is what those with meditation type cults speak, or druggies say, to
give yourself over and let loose. Clear your mind, and so on.
That is not the way of Jesus the Messiah. And for good reason.

Where is the rest of my post, and are you trying to distort even what you
quoted?
Are you trying to insinuate that the meditative cults and druggies way IS the
way of Jesus the Messiah?

Nice or you to attempt to poison the minds of others with your statements.
You too, like MM feel no guilt, no shame over such actions.

Post by Christ Rose
========================================
Thus, you impute your own false motives
and ideas to Michael's words (not what
he actually said), to poison people's
minds, as if people will be too stupid
to notice.

Again you bear false witness.
I pointed out the reasoning behind my statements.

Post by Christ Rose
3) I show from Scripture after
Scripture, that losing your life is in

I already did that, are you going to copycat me?

Post by Christ Rose
========================================
Sat, 24 Aug 2024 15:39:18 -0500,
========================================

Post by Robert

Post by Robert
That is what those with meditation type cults speak, or druggies say, to
Give yourself over and let loose. Clear your mind, and so on.
That is not the way of Jesus the Messiah. And for good reason.

You call people "dumber than a rock"?

And they are deserving of that.

Post by Christ Rose

Post by Robert
Losing your life was absolutely the way
Matthew 10:39: "Whoever finds his life
will lose it, and whoever loses his life
for my sake will find it" (Matthew
10:39, ESV).

Did you READ THE VERSE?
The last phrase is key to understanding the verse and IS the focal point
reasoning for the statement.
You, ignorantly avoided understanding that, and said to “just lose it”.
Therefore you are dumber than a rock, at least the rocks can cry out the name
and witness of Jesus, and sin not.

Obviously you and MM are in agreement despite your protestations.

Post by Christ Rose

Post by Robert
Matthew 16:25: "For whoever would save
his life will lose it, but whoever loses
his life for my sake will find it"
(Matthew 16:25, ESV).
Mark 8:35: "For whoever would save his
life will lose it, but whoever loses his
life for my sake and the gospel's will
save it" (Mark 8:35, ESV).
Luke 9:24: "For whoever would save his
life will lose it, but whoever loses his
life for my sake will save it" (Luke
9:24, ESV).
Luke 17:33: "Whoever seeks to preserve
his life will lose it, but whoever loses
his life will keep it" (Luke 17:33,
ESV).

========================================
4) You then tried to justify your denial
that this is the way of Jesus the
Messiah, by imputing wrong motives to
========================================
Sat, 24 Aug 2024 16:08:35 -0700,
========================================

Post by Robert
Notice the extreme difference there? “For MY Sake”.

[Show me where Michael said you should
lose your life for your own sake, or for
the sake of someone other than Christ,
you dumb liar. That's what _you_ said
and tried to impute as the necessary
meaning of what Michael said, when it is
not.
The extreme difference here, is not
between what Michael said and what the
Bible said (on this subject, he said
exactly what the Bible says). It's
between what Michael said and the
meaning you falsely tried to attribute
to what Michael said.]

Post by Robert
That was not noted by the OP, nor did you point it out.

[Of course it wasn't noted by the OP,
and now you admit it. It was noted by
you, contrary to the fact Michael said
no such thing. You are absolutely
twisted in your effort to present this
as a rational justification for your own
imputed lies and false narrative.
The OP didn't say you must lose your
life for your own sake or for the sake
of someone other than Christ. You tried
to impute that meaning to what he said,
despite the fact you now admit he didn't
note any such thing. You dumb, twisted
liar. How stupid do you think people
have to be to not notice your ongoing,
persistent efforts to impute false
narratives and motives to others?
You're the dumb hypocrite who had no
basis to conclude Michael was wrong
about that, who contradicted what the
Bible plainly says about the _fact_ that
Jesus was all about losing your life,
and who then tried to impute a false
narrative and motive to Michael's words
which they neither said nor
necessitated, to justify your false,
baseless condemnation and denial of the
Bible truth and fact that the Bible does
teach we should lose our lives, and the
fact this is the way of Jesus the
Messiah.
Yet here you are pretending like you're
pointing out some distinction that
everyone but you failed to notice.

Post by Robert
Yes, I posted against the thought suggested by MM as it is a very well known
phrase by those outside of Jesus. "Let it be” a variant of the new age
teachings, as well as what I mentioned before.

[idem. Dumb deceiver. Show where Michael
said you need to lose your life for some
cause other than for the sake of Christ.
You won't.]

Post by Robert
That you are not aware of it is on you.

[Dumb liar. You operate as if people
will be unaware that Michael did not say
anything resembling "You must lose your
life for your own sake, or for any sake
someone than Christ".
You imputed that idea out of your own
mind, and tried to attribute it as the
necessary meaning of Michael's words, as
if people would be too stupid to
notice.]
========================================
I'm saving this one. Until you have a
change of mind about your deceitful
tactics and the false imputation of your
own false narratives and context to
nearly every discussion, I will regard
you as the deceitful troll, Diotrephes,
and dumb liar that your pattern
indicates you are.

[In the Name of Jesus]

Post by Robert

Post by Christ Rose
========================================
Wed, 28 Aug 2024 16:59:30 -0700,
========================================

Post by Robert
Always the accuser, with no foundation of Facts. The story of your life.

1) Michael says believers need to lose
their life.

No, He didn’t. Read your post just where did it mention ‘believers’?
Hmmmm

He is actually right in this particular instance, I never said,
"believers" and I wouldn't say believers.

True believers have already lost their lives. :-).

Post by Robert
Bearing false witness are you?

Guilty under the law!

But Robocop wasted no time in driving home the sledgehammer of
righteousness and unleashing the AK-47! :-).

No room of any possibility of a "mistake" in Robert Religion. Thus,
ChristRose must be burned in hell under the law!

It is probably going to be quite smelly that sizzling flesh.




In the Name of Jesus

Post by Robert

Post by Christ Rose
========================================
Sat, 24 Aug 2024 09:22:32 +1000,
In the Name of Jesus
========================================

Post by Robert
That is why one absolutely, essentially, needs to lose their life.

========================================
A) That is exactly correct, and what the
Bible teaches in many passages of
Scripture. Yet you falsely deny it and
labeled it as "not" being "the way of
Jesus the Messiah".

Again you bear false witness.

Post by Christ Rose
B) Notice, he did not say anything about
losing your life for some sake other
than for the sake of Christ. It was
_you_ who tried to impute that false
motive to Michael's words.

Again you bear false witness.
I spoke of his lack of clarity, just giving out a generic statement similar
to current cults, and a lost person familiar with such things would easily
take his statements the wrong way, just like you took it.

Post by Christ Rose
2) Robert says this is what cults and
druggies say, and that this is "not the

Again you bear false witness.
Also, Jesus did not “lose his life”
I also was clear in my reasoning, yet you chose to lie.

Post by Christ Rose
========================================
Sat, 24 Aug 2024 11:07:20 -0700,
========================================
[Michael wrote]

Post by Robert

Post by Robert
That is why one absolutely, essentially, needs to lose their life.

That is what those with meditation type cults speak, or druggies say, to
give yourself over and let loose. Clear your mind, and so on.
That is not the way of Jesus the Messiah. And for good reason.

Where is the rest of my post, and are you trying to distort even what you
quoted?
Are you trying to insinuate that the meditative cults and druggies way IS the
way of Jesus the Messiah?
Nice or you to attempt to poison the minds of others with your statements.
You too, like MM feel no guilt, no shame over such actions.

Post by Christ Rose
========================================
Thus, you impute your own false motives
and ideas to Michael's words (not what
he actually said), to poison people's
minds, as if people will be too stupid
to notice.

Again you bear false witness.
I pointed out the reasoning behind my statements.

Post by Christ Rose
3) I show from Scripture after
Scripture, that losing your life is in

I already did that, are you going to copycat me?

Post by Christ Rose
========================================
Sat, 24 Aug 2024 15:39:18 -0500,
========================================

Post by Robert

Post by Robert
That is what those with meditation type cults speak, or druggies say, to
Give yourself over and let loose. Clear your mind, and so on.
That is not the way of Jesus the Messiah. And for good reason.

You call people "dumber than a rock"?

And they are deserving of that.

Post by Christ Rose

Post by Robert
Losing your life was absolutely the way
Matthew 10:39: "Whoever finds his life
will lose it, and whoever loses his life
for my sake will find it" (Matthew
10:39, ESV).

Did you READ THE VERSE?
The last phrase is key to understanding the verse and IS the focal point
reasoning for the statement.
You, ignorantly avoided understanding that, and said to “just lose it”.
Therefore you are dumber than a rock, at least the rocks can cry out the name
and witness of Jesus, and sin not.
Obviously you and MM are in agreement despite your protestations.

Post by Christ Rose

Post by Robert
Matthew 16:25: "For whoever would save
his life will lose it, but whoever loses
his life for my sake will find it"
(Matthew 16:25, ESV).
Mark 8:35: "For whoever would save his
life will lose it, but whoever loses his
life for my sake and the gospel's will
save it" (Mark 8:35, ESV).
Luke 9:24: "For whoever would save his
life will lose it, but whoever loses his
life for my sake will save it" (Luke
9:24, ESV).
Luke 17:33: "Whoever seeks to preserve
his life will lose it, but whoever loses
his life will keep it" (Luke 17:33,
ESV).

========================================
4) You then tried to justify your denial
that this is the way of Jesus the
Messiah, by imputing wrong motives to
========================================
Sat, 24 Aug 2024 16:08:35 -0700,
========================================

Post by Robert
Notice the extreme difference there? “For MY Sake”.

[Show me where Michael said you should
lose your life for your own sake, or for
the sake of someone other than Christ,
you dumb liar. That's what _you_ said
and tried to impute as the necessary
meaning of what Michael said, when it is
not.
The extreme difference here, is not
between what Michael said and what the
Bible said (on this subject, he said
exactly what the Bible says). It's
between what Michael said and the
meaning you falsely tried to attribute
to what Michael said.]

Post by Robert
That was not noted by the OP, nor did you point it out.

[Of course it wasn't noted by the OP,
and now you admit it. It was noted by
you, contrary to the fact Michael said
no such thing. You are absolutely
twisted in your effort to present this
as a rational justification for your own
imputed lies and false narrative.
The OP didn't say you must lose your
life for your own sake or for the sake
of someone other than Christ. You tried
to impute that meaning to what he said,
despite the fact you now admit he didn't
note any such thing. You dumb, twisted
liar. How stupid do you think people
have to be to not notice your ongoing,
persistent efforts to impute false
narratives and motives to others?
You're the dumb hypocrite who had no
basis to conclude Michael was wrong
about that, who contradicted what the
Bible plainly says about the _fact_ that
Jesus was all about losing your life,
and who then tried to impute a false
narrative and motive to Michael's words
which they neither said nor
necessitated, to justify your false,
baseless condemnation and denial of the
Bible truth and fact that the Bible does
teach we should lose our lives, and the
fact this is the way of Jesus the
Messiah.
Yet here you are pretending like you're
pointing out some distinction that
everyone but you failed to notice.

Post by Robert
Yes, I posted against the thought suggested by MM as it is a very well known
phrase by those outside of Jesus. "Let it be” a variant of the new age
teachings, as well as what I mentioned before.

[idem. Dumb deceiver. Show where Michael
said you need to lose your life for some
cause other than for the sake of Christ.
You won't.]

Post by Robert
That you are not aware of it is on you.

[Dumb liar. You operate as if people
will be unaware that Michael did not say
anything resembling "You must lose your
life for your own sake, or for any sake
someone than Christ".
You imputed that idea out of your own
mind, and tried to attribute it as the
necessary meaning of Michael's words, as
if people would be too stupid to
notice.]
========================================
I'm saving this one. Until you have a
change of mind about your deceitful
tactics and the false imputation of your
own false narratives and context to
nearly every discussion, I will regard
you as the deceitful troll, Diotrephes,
and dumb liar that your pattern
indicates you are.

--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: a man full of bluster and bullshit in his
meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

"What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence."

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."

"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."

"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."

[Robert]

Post by In the Name of Jesus

Post by Robert

Post by Christ Rose
========================================
Wed, 28 Aug 2024 16:59:30 -0700,
========================================

Post by Robert
Always the accuser, with no foundation of Facts. The story of your life.

1) Michael says believers need to lose
their life.

No, He didn’t. Read your post just where did it mention ‘believers’?
Hmmmm

He is actually right in this particular instance, I never said,
"believers" and I wouldn't say believers.
True believers have already lost their lives. :-).

You tell the unsaved to lose their lives. But to whom?

“He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my
sake shall find it.” (Mat 10:39)

For the sake of Jesus.

Post by In the Name of Jesus

Post by Robert
Bearing false witness are you?

Guilty under the law!
But Robocop wasted no time in driving home the sledgehammer of
righteousness and unleashing the AK-47! :-).
No room of any possibility of a "mistake" in Robert Religion. Thus,
ChristRose must be burned in hell under the law!
It is probably going to be quite smelly that sizzling flesh.
In the Name of Jesus

We are not under the law, but the law is there for our instruction.

“Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his
sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of
God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the
prophets;” (Rom 3:20-21)

Post by In the Name of Jesus

Post by Robert

Post by Christ Rose
========================================
Sat, 24 Aug 2024 09:22:32 +1000,
In the Name of Jesus
========================================

Post by Robert
That is why one absolutely, essentially, needs to lose their life.

========================================
A) That is exactly correct, and what the
Bible teaches in many passages of
Scripture. Yet you falsely deny it and
labeled it as "not" being "the way of
Jesus the Messiah".

Again you bear false witness.

Post by Christ Rose
B) Notice, he did not say anything about
losing your life for some sake other
than for the sake of Christ. It was
_you_ who tried to impute that false
motive to Michael's words.

Again you bear false witness.
I spoke of his lack of clarity, just giving out a generic statement similar
to current cults, and a lost person familiar with such things would easily
take his statements the wrong way, just like you took it.

Post by Christ Rose
2) Robert says this is what cults and
druggies say, and that this is "not the

Again you bear false witness.
Also, Jesus did not “lose his life”
I also was clear in my reasoning, yet you chose to lie.

Post by Christ Rose
========================================
Sat, 24 Aug 2024 11:07:20 -0700,
========================================
[Michael wrote]

Post by Robert

Post by Robert
That is why one absolutely, essentially, needs to lose their life.

That is what those with meditation type cults speak, or druggies say, to
give yourself over and let loose. Clear your mind, and so on.
That is not the way of Jesus the Messiah. And for good reason.

Where is the rest of my post, and are you trying to distort even what you
quoted?
Are you trying to insinuate that the meditative cults and druggies way IS the
way of Jesus the Messiah?
Nice or you to attempt to poison the minds of others with your statements.
You too, like MM feel no guilt, no shame over such actions.

Post by Christ Rose
========================================
Thus, you impute your own false motives
and ideas to Michael's words (not what
he actually said), to poison people's
minds, as if people will be too stupid
to notice.

Again you bear false witness.
I pointed out the reasoning behind my statements.

Post by Christ Rose
3) I show from Scripture after
Scripture, that losing your life is in

I already did that, are you going to copycat me?

Post by Christ Rose
========================================
Sat, 24 Aug 2024 15:39:18 -0500,
========================================

Post by Robert

Post by Robert
That is what those with meditation type cults speak, or druggies say, to
Give yourself over and let loose. Clear your mind, and so on.
That is not the way of Jesus the Messiah. And for good reason.

You call people "dumber than a rock"?

And they are deserving of that.

Post by Christ Rose

Post by Robert
Losing your life was absolutely the way
Matthew 10:39: "Whoever finds his life
will lose it, and whoever loses his life
for my sake will find it" (Matthew
10:39, ESV).

Did you READ THE VERSE?
The last phrase is key to understanding the verse and IS the focal point
reasoning for the statement.
You, ignorantly avoided understanding that, and said to “just lose it”.
Therefore you are dumber than a rock, at least the rocks can cry out the name
and witness of Jesus, and sin not.
Obviously you and MM are in agreement despite your protestations.

Post by Christ Rose

Post by Robert
Matthew 16:25: "For whoever would save
his life will lose it, but whoever loses
his life for my sake will find it"
(Matthew 16:25, ESV).
Mark 8:35: "For whoever would save his
life will lose it, but whoever loses his
life for my sake and the gospel's will
save it" (Mark 8:35, ESV).
Luke 9:24: "For whoever would save his
life will lose it, but whoever loses his
life for my sake will save it" (Luke
9:24, ESV).
Luke 17:33: "Whoever seeks to preserve
his life will lose it, but whoever loses
his life will keep it" (Luke 17:33,
ESV).

========================================
4) You then tried to justify your denial
that this is the way of Jesus the
Messiah, by imputing wrong motives to
========================================
Sat, 24 Aug 2024 16:08:35 -0700,
========================================

Post by Robert
Notice the extreme difference there? “For MY Sake”.

[Show me where Michael said you should
lose your life for your own sake, or for
the sake of someone other than Christ,
you dumb liar. That's what _you_ said
and tried to impute as the necessary
meaning of what Michael said, when it is
not.
The extreme difference here, is not
between what Michael said and what the
Bible said (on this subject, he said
exactly what the Bible says). It's
between what Michael said and the
meaning you falsely tried to attribute
to what Michael said.]

Post by Robert
That was not noted by the OP, nor did you point it out.

[Of course it wasn't noted by the OP,
and now you admit it. It was noted by
you, contrary to the fact Michael said
no such thing. You are absolutely
twisted in your effort to present this
as a rational justification for your own
imputed lies and false narrative.
The OP didn't say you must lose your
life for your own sake or for the sake
of someone other than Christ. You tried
to impute that meaning to what he said,
despite the fact you now admit he didn't
note any such thing. You dumb, twisted
liar. How stupid do you think people
have to be to not notice your ongoing,
persistent efforts to impute false
narratives and motives to others?
You're the dumb hypocrite who had no
basis to conclude Michael was wrong
about that, who contradicted what the
Bible plainly says about the _fact_ that
Jesus was all about losing your life,
and who then tried to impute a false
narrative and motive to Michael's words
which they neither said nor
necessitated, to justify your false,
baseless condemnation and denial of the
Bible truth and fact that the Bible does
teach we should lose our lives, and the
fact this is the way of Jesus the
Messiah.
Yet here you are pretending like you're
pointing out some distinction that
everyone but you failed to notice.

Post by Robert
Yes, I posted against the thought suggested by MM as it is a very well known
phrase by those outside of Jesus. "Let it be” a variant of the new age
teachings, as well as what I mentioned before.

[idem. Dumb deceiver. Show where Michael
said you need to lose your life for some
cause other than for the sake of Christ.
You won't.]

Post by Robert
That you are not aware of it is on you.

[Dumb liar. You operate as if people
will be unaware that Michael did not say
anything resembling "You must lose your
life for your own sake, or for any sake
someone than Christ".
You imputed that idea out of your own
mind, and tried to attribute it as the
necessary meaning of Michael's words, as
if people would be too stupid to
notice.]
========================================
I'm saving this one. Until you have a
change of mind about your deceitful
tactics and the false imputation of your
own false narratives and context to
nearly every discussion, I will regard
you as the deceitful troll, Diotrephes,
and dumb liar that your pattern
indicates you are.

[In the Name of Jesus]

Post by Robert

Post by In the Name of Jesus

Post by Robert

Post by Christ Rose
========================================
Wed, 28 Aug 2024 16:59:30 -0700,
========================================

Post by Robert
Always the accuser, with no foundation of Facts. The story of your life.

1) Michael says believers need to lose
their life.

No, He didn’t. Read your post just where did it mention ‘believers’?
Hmmmm

He is actually right in this particular instance, I never said,
"believers" and I wouldn't say believers.
True believers have already lost their lives. :-).

You tell the unsaved to lose their lives. But to whom?

Bugs Bunny, Robert, Bugs Bunny.

Certainly not to your sinner Christianity.

Bugs Bunny's ratings are higher than yours with the Lord. :-).







In the Name of Jesus

PS: The only instruction is the Lord's in the Holy Spirit and that is
not your own scripture truth!

Post by Robert
“He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my
sake shall find it.” (Mat 10:39)
For the sake of Jesus.

Post by In the Name of Jesus

Post by Robert
Bearing false witness are you?

Guilty under the law!
But Robocop wasted no time in driving home the sledgehammer of
righteousness and unleashing the AK-47! :-).
No room of any possibility of a "mistake" in Robert Religion. Thus,
ChristRose must be burned in hell under the law!
It is probably going to be quite smelly that sizzling flesh.
In the Name of Jesus

We are not under the law, but the law is there for our instruction.
“Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his
sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of
God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the
prophets;” (Rom 3:20-21)

Post by In the Name of Jesus

Post by Robert

Post by Christ Rose
========================================
Sat, 24 Aug 2024 09:22:32 +1000,
In the Name of Jesus
========================================

Post by Robert
That is why one absolutely, essentially, needs to lose their life.

========================================
A) That is exactly correct, and what the
Bible teaches in many passages of
Scripture. Yet you falsely deny it and
labeled it as "not" being "the way of
Jesus the Messiah".

Again you bear false witness.

Post by Christ Rose
B) Notice, he did not say anything about
losing your life for some sake other
than for the sake of Christ. It was
_you_ who tried to impute that false
motive to Michael's words.

Again you bear false witness.
I spoke of his lack of clarity, just giving out a generic statement similar
to current cults, and a lost person familiar with such things would easily
take his statements the wrong way, just like you took it.

Post by Christ Rose
2) Robert says this is what cults and
druggies say, and that this is "not the

Again you bear false witness.
Also, Jesus did not “lose his life”
I also was clear in my reasoning, yet you chose to lie.

Post by Christ Rose
========================================
Sat, 24 Aug 2024 11:07:20 -0700,
========================================
[Michael wrote]

Post by Robert

Post by Robert
That is why one absolutely, essentially, needs to lose their life.

That is what those with meditation type cults speak, or druggies say, to
give yourself over and let loose. Clear your mind, and so on.
That is not the way of Jesus the Messiah. And for good reason.

Where is the rest of my post, and are you trying to distort even what you
quoted?
Are you trying to insinuate that the meditative cults and druggies way IS the
way of Jesus the Messiah?
Nice or you to attempt to poison the minds of others with your statements.
You too, like MM feel no guilt, no shame over such actions.

Post by Christ Rose
========================================
Thus, you impute your own false motives
and ideas to Michael's words (not what
he actually said), to poison people's
minds, as if people will be too stupid
to notice.

Again you bear false witness.
I pointed out the reasoning behind my statements.

Post by Christ Rose
3) I show from Scripture after
Scripture, that losing your life is in

I already did that, are you going to copycat me?

Post by Christ Rose
========================================
Sat, 24 Aug 2024 15:39:18 -0500,
========================================

Post by Robert

Post by Robert
That is what those with meditation type cults speak, or druggies say, to
Give yourself over and let loose. Clear your mind, and so on.
That is not the way of Jesus the Messiah. And for good reason.

You call people "dumber than a rock"?

And they are deserving of that.

Post by Christ Rose

Post by Robert
Losing your life was absolutely the way
Matthew 10:39: "Whoever finds his life
will lose it, and whoever loses his life
for my sake will find it" (Matthew
10:39, ESV).

Did you READ THE VERSE?
The last phrase is key to understanding the verse and IS the focal point
reasoning for the statement.
You, ignorantly avoided understanding that, and said to “just lose it”.
Therefore you are dumber than a rock, at least the rocks can cry out the name
and witness of Jesus, and sin not.
Obviously you and MM are in agreement despite your protestations.

Post by Christ Rose

Post by Robert
Matthew 16:25: "For whoever would save
his life will lose it, but whoever loses
his life for my sake will find it"
(Matthew 16:25, ESV).
Mark 8:35: "For whoever would save his
life will lose it, but whoever loses his
life for my sake and the gospel's will
save it" (Mark 8:35, ESV).
Luke 9:24: "For whoever would save his
life will lose it, but whoever loses his
life for my sake will save it" (Luke
9:24, ESV).
Luke 17:33: "Whoever seeks to preserve
his life will lose it, but whoever loses
his life will keep it" (Luke 17:33,
ESV).

========================================
4) You then tried to justify your denial
that this is the way of Jesus the
Messiah, by imputing wrong motives to
========================================
Sat, 24 Aug 2024 16:08:35 -0700,
========================================

Post by Robert
Notice the extreme difference there? “For MY Sake”.

[Show me where Michael said you should
lose your life for your own sake, or for
the sake of someone other than Christ,
you dumb liar. That's what _you_ said
and tried to impute as the necessary
meaning of what Michael said, when it is
not.
The extreme difference here, is not
between what Michael said and what the
Bible said (on this subject, he said
exactly what the Bible says). It's
between what Michael said and the
meaning you falsely tried to attribute
to what Michael said.]

Post by Robert
That was not noted by the OP, nor did you point it out.

[Of course it wasn't noted by the OP,
and now you admit it. It was noted by
you, contrary to the fact Michael said
no such thing. You are absolutely
twisted in your effort to present this
as a rational justification for your own
imputed lies and false narrative.
The OP didn't say you must lose your
life for your own sake or for the sake
of someone other than Christ. You tried
to impute that meaning to what he said,
despite the fact you now admit he didn't
note any such thing. You dumb, twisted
liar. How stupid do you think people
have to be to not notice your ongoing,
persistent efforts to impute false
narratives and motives to others?
You're the dumb hypocrite who had no
basis to conclude Michael was wrong
about that, who contradicted what the
Bible plainly says about the _fact_ that
Jesus was all about losing your life,
and who then tried to impute a false
narrative and motive to Michael's words
which they neither said nor
necessitated, to justify your false,
baseless condemnation and denial of the
Bible truth and fact that the Bible does
teach we should lose our lives, and the
fact this is the way of Jesus the
Messiah.
Yet here you are pretending like you're
pointing out some distinction that
everyone but you failed to notice.

Post by Robert
Yes, I posted against the thought suggested by MM as it is a very well known
phrase by those outside of Jesus. "Let it be” a variant of the new age
teachings, as well as what I mentioned before.

[idem. Dumb deceiver. Show where Michael
said you need to lose your life for some
cause other than for the sake of Christ.
You won't.]

Post by Robert
That you are not aware of it is on you.

[Dumb liar. You operate as if people
will be unaware that Michael did not say
anything resembling "You must lose your
life for your own sake, or for any sake
someone than Christ".
You imputed that idea out of your own
mind, and tried to attribute it as the
necessary meaning of Michael's words, as
if people would be too stupid to
notice.]
========================================
I'm saving this one. Until you have a
change of mind about your deceitful
tactics and the false imputation of your
own false narratives and context to
nearly every discussion, I will regard
you as the deceitful troll, Diotrephes,
and dumb liar that your pattern
indicates you are.

--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: a man full of bluster and bullshit in his
meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

"What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence."

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."

"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."

"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."

[In the Name of Jesus]

Post by Christ Rose
========================================
Wed, 28 Aug 2024 16:59:30 -0700,
========================================

Post by Robert
Always the accuser, with no foundation of Facts. The story of your life.

1) Michael says believers need to lose
their life.
========================================
Sat, 24 Aug 2024 09:22:32 +1000,
In the Name of Jesus
========================================

Post by Robert
That is why one absolutely, essentially, needs to lose their life.

========================================
A) That is exactly correct, and what the
Bible teaches in many passages of
Scripture. Yet you falsely deny it and
labeled it as "not" being "the way of
Jesus the Messiah".
B) Notice, he did not say anything about
losing your life for some sake other
than for the sake of Christ. It was
_you_ who tried to impute that false
motive to Michael's words.
2) Robert says this is what cults and
druggies say, and that this is "not the
========================================
Sat, 24 Aug 2024 11:07:20 -0700,
========================================
[Michael wrote]

Post by Robert

Post by Robert
That is why one absolutely, essentially, needs to lose their life.

That is what those with meditation type cults speak, or druggies say, to give
yourself over and let loose. Clear your mind, and so on.
That is not the way of Jesus the Messiah. And for good reason.

========================================
Thus, you impute your own false motives
and ideas to Michael's words (not what
he actually said), to poison people's
minds, as if people will be too stupid
to notice.
3) I show from Scripture after
Scripture, that losing your life is in
========================================
Sat, 24 Aug 2024 15:39:18 -0500,
========================================

Post by Robert

Post by Robert
That is what those with meditation type cults speak, or druggies say, to give
yourself over and let loose. Clear your mind, and so on.
That is not the way of Jesus the Messiah. And for good reason.

You call people "dumber than a rock"?
Losing your life was absolutely the way
Matthew 10:39: "Whoever finds his life
will lose it, and whoever loses his life
for my sake will find it" (Matthew
10:39, ESV).
Matthew 16:25: "For whoever would save
his life will lose it, but whoever loses
his life for my sake will find it"
(Matthew 16:25, ESV).
Mark 8:35: "For whoever would save his
life will lose it, but whoever loses his
life for my sake and the gospel's will
save it" (Mark 8:35, ESV).
Luke 9:24: "For whoever would save his
life will lose it, but whoever loses his
life for my sake will save it" (Luke
9:24, ESV).
Luke 17:33: "Whoever seeks to preserve
his life will lose it, but whoever loses
his life will keep it" (Luke 17:33,
ESV).

========================================
4) You then tried to justify your denial
that this is the way of Jesus the
Messiah, by imputing wrong motives to
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Sat, 24 Aug 2024 16:08:35 -0700,
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Post by Robert
Notice the extreme difference there? “For MY Sake”.

[Show me where Michael said you should
lose your life for your own sake, or for
the sake of someone other than Christ,
you dumb liar. That's what _you_ said
and tried to impute as the necessary
meaning of what Michael said, when it is
not.
The extreme difference here, is not
between what Michael said and what the
Bible said (on this subject, he said
exactly what the Bible says). It's
between what Michael said and the
meaning you falsely tried to attribute
to what Michael said.]

Post by Robert
That was not noted by the OP, nor did you point it out.

[Of course it wasn't noted by the OP,
and now you admit it. It was noted by
you, contrary to the fact Michael said
no such thing. You are absolutely
twisted in your effort to present this
as a rational justification for your own
imputed lies and false narrative.
The OP didn't say you must lose your
life for your own sake or for the sake
of someone other than Christ. You tried
to impute that meaning to what he said,
despite the fact you now admit he didn't
note any such thing. You dumb, twisted
liar. How stupid do you think people
have to be to not notice your ongoing,
persistent efforts to impute false
narratives and motives to others?
You're the dumb hypocrite who had no
basis to conclude Michael was wrong
about that, who contradicted what the
Bible plainly says about the _fact_ that
Jesus was all about losing your life,
and who then tried to impute a false
narrative and motive to Michael's words
which they neither said nor
necessitated, to justify your false,
baseless condemnation and denial of the
Bible truth and fact that the Bible does
teach we should lose our lives, and the
fact this is the way of Jesus the
Messiah.
Yet here you are pretending like you're
pointing out some distinction that
everyone but you failed to notice.

Post by Robert
Yes, I posted against the thought suggested by MM as it is a very well known
phrase by those outside of Jesus. "Let it be” a variant of the new age
teachings, as well as what I mentioned before.

[idem. Dumb deceiver. Show where Michael
said you need to lose your life for some
cause other than for the sake of Christ.
You won't.]

Post by Robert
That you are not aware of it is on you.

[Dumb liar. You operate as if people
will be unaware that Michael did not say
anything resembling "You must lose your
life for your own sake, or for any sake
someone than Christ".
You imputed that idea out of your own
mind, and tried to attribute it as the
necessary meaning of Michael's words, as
if people would be too stupid to
notice.]
========================================
I'm saving this one. Until you have a
change of mind about your deceitful
tactics and the false imputation of your
own false narratives and context to
nearly every discussion, I will regard
you as the deceitful troll, Diotrephes,
and dumb liar that your pattern
indicates you are.

Yes, yes, but it does not matter, because it is not about right and
wrong, ChristRose. That is a false flag, a hindrance to the truth, an
abyss, a bottomless pit.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

The Lord removed right and wrong, good and evil through His sacrifice.
The veil in the temple was rent in twain so that any man may enter. No
one is unworthy now; it is a choice, but choice, naturally, has
consequences.

"Ye shall surely die" meant all died, everything, everything is dead.
But, but, things are being born...all die and died. A baby is already
dying, dead. The whole universe is in entropy and time, death.

So, in the name of Jesus, smack-dab in the centre of everything now a
man stands, on his own, a million miles in all directions there is
nothing to condemn him. Failure does not exist, except in a lie.

So, what remains?

Not, right and wrong, or good and evil.

A life nowhere in a void until...Someone comes along...a Good
Samaritan...a Loving Father of a prodigal...a hen (the picture) that's
desire is to gather her chicks under her wings...

Luk 18:18  And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what
shall I do to inherit eternal life?
Luk 18:19  And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is
good, save one, that is, God.

The rich young ruler's thinking is off, as the Lord is indicating. It
has nothing to do with good and evil, right and wrong.

Luk 18:20  Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not
kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy
mother.
Luk 18:21  And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.

So what? Even if he did! The Lord Jesus didn't even regard it. He swept
it aside...

Luk 18:22  Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet
lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the
poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

It is a majestic look at the power of God to march a man right out of
the Old Testament and into the New! Magnificent, even when a man is
still in the Old—Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the rest in the faith!

Notice where our rich young ruler lacked? It had nothing to do with
right and wrong, good and evil, the law and its condemnation.

Did you get all that, John?

"Lackest" in a person's life is totally defined as being without
Me—nothing to do with right and wrong, good and evil—when you come with
Me, your lack, all lack is gone!

The sheer marvellousness and great grace of the Lord!





In the Name of Jesus
--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: a man full of bluster and bullshit in his
meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

"What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence."

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."

"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."

"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."

[Christ Rose]

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Wed, 28 Aug 2024 16:16:29 -0700,
<vaob4d$3lbsr$***@dont-email.me>
Robert (Diotrephes) <***@no.way>
wrote:
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Post by Robert

Post by Christ Rose
https://christrose.news/2024/08/romans-8-hope-for-future-glory.html
Proposition
You should hope for glory.

Have you any idea of what that means in the first part of this chapter?

Have you any statement of truth
presented by others in here, which you
do not seek to undermine and promote
doubt about when it doesn't come out of
your own mouth, Diotrephes?

Post by Robert

Post by Christ Rose
Romans 8 teaches that believers have a
certain hope in the future glory
promised by God. The chapter opens with
the assurance that there is no
condemnation for those in Christ,

You neglected...

1) As will be seen below by any honest
person, you are the one who neglected to
read the article before you undertook to
pretend like you were correcting it.

2) We know from your habit, that even
when people correctly state the truth,
you deny it based not on the content of
what they actually said, but on you
imputing and attributing to others what
you claim are false motives.

This is why, although Michael correctly
stated that Christ is all about losing
your life for God's purposes, you
blatantly denied it, and claimed it was
an error. When confronted by numerous
passages which show what he said was
exactly correct, you still persisted
with your accusation it was in error, on
the grounds that--according to you--it
was not presented with the correct
motives. You've done many, many similar
things to my words over the years.

Thus, I perceive you are a judgmental,
deceitful troll who has ruined his
credibility as one who is qualified to
pretend like he's correcting others, or
even to carry on an honest or edifying
conversation with.

Post by Robert
a very, very, vital part of that scripture right out of the
chute, for it says,...
Rom 8:1
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus,
who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
IOW’s not just those which are in Christ Jesus, but those who do not walk
in the flesh, but after the Spirit of God.

Lies:

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Wed, 28 Aug 2024 17:12:18 -0500,

<***@christrose.news>
Christ Rose <***@christrose.news>
wrote:
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Post by Robert
Paul contrasts living according to the
flesh with living according to the
Spirit, teaching that those who are led
by the Spirit of God are the children of
God (Romans 8:14). The Spirit empowers
believers to live righteously and resist
sin, which is a foretaste of the glory
to come.

========================================

The article explicitly contrasts living
according to the flesh with living
according to the Spirit, showing that
those who are truly "in Christ Jesus"
are those who are "led by the Spirit of
God." This directly addresses
Diotrephes’ point that the lack of
condemnation applies specifically to
those walking according to the Spirit
and not the flesh.

Read the article next time, before you
undertake to make a troll of yourself,
Diotrephes.

Post by Robert
The failure to do so is why scripture speaks of those being judged in the
end, who say to Him, the Judge, But, but, Lord did we not do mighty things in
thy name, and he will reply to them depart from me, I never knew you. Yeah,
the religious christians. Those are the people who for all eternity will say,
I should’ve, I could’ve, I would’ve in bondage and despair.

idem.

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Wed, 28 Aug 2024 17:12:18 -0500,

<***@christrose.news>
Christ Rose <***@christrose.news>
wrote:
========================================

Post by Robert
The Spirit empowers
believers to live righteously and resist
sin, which is a foretaste of the glory
to come.

========================================

The article addresses this by discussing
how the Spirit empowers believers to
live righteously and resist sin,
implying that true believers, empowered
by the Spirit, will not fall into the
category of those judged as "religious
Christians" who did not truly know
Christ. The empowerment by the Spirit
suggests a true relationship with Christ
that results in righteous living,
contrary to the respondent’s example of
false believers.

Post by Robert
I would strongly recommend that you go back over this chapter and actually
read each and every verse, line by line, as you have missed so much of the
key points in this chapter, of which there are many. But focus on the first
11 verses, resolve the understanding of those with the Lord, one on one,

Idem. I would strongly recommend you
take measures to insure you're not
operating out of the demonic wisdom of
bitter envy and selfish ambition, before
you undertake to feign as if you're
correcting someone else's errors.


========================================
Wed, 28 Aug 2024 17:12:18 -0500,

<***@christrose.news>
Christ Rose <***@christrose.news>
wrote:
========================================

Post by Robert
Paul begins by stating that there is
"now no condemnation for those who are
in Christ Jesus" (Romans 8:1). Christ's
sacrificial death liberates believers
from the guilt and penalty of sin,
assuring us of our place in God's family
and our future glorification.

========================================

The article does cover the key points of
the first verses in Romans 8 by
explaining that there is no condemnation
for those in Christ, and later
confirming these are the people who walk
not according to the flesh, but the
Spirit. It is not the focus of this
article to make every possible comment
that can be made about every verse,
exactly how someone else sees fit. The
"omissions" you objected to were in fact
covered in the article.

Read the article next time, before you
undertake to make a troll of yourself,
Diotrephes.

Post by Robert
and not AI, nor the doctrines of men.

James 3:14-15 shows that the wisdom of
demons manifests itself in bitter envy
and selfish ambition. Act shows this is
exactly what the Jews manifested against
Paul, everywhere he proclaimed the
truth, as they contradicted everything
he said, and tried to poison people's
minds against him.

It is an established fact that Robert
(Diotrephes), routinely contradicts,
opposes, and tries to undermine nearly
every statement made in here, that
doesn't come out of his own mouth.

Just recently, he condemned Michael's
correct statement that following Christ
is all about losing your own life. --Not
on the grounds the Bible doesn't
actually teach this (it plainly teaches
it in many verses), but on the grounds
that Robert decided that he wasn't
stating the truth with correct motives,
therefore it was still incorrect. This
confirms to me that Robert is operating
under the influence of demonic wisdom,
not according to the truth, love, or any
desire to edify.

https://christrose.news/demonic-wisdom

Post by Robert
Pay careful attention to verse three as it speaks to why there are so many
“christian” failures.

idem. You have no credibility with me
whatsoever, as being one who either
knows or is qualified to correct what
other's state in here. Your pattern
convinces me that you have not the
slightest bit of conscience left, to
recognize your own efforts to portray as
erroneous, that which is true, and which
you have never actually refuted.

Post by Robert
If you can understand those scriptures it will go a very long way to
understand the rest of this chapter, if you truly care about knowing, and
will lead you into understand of what the glory is that you mentioned at the
top of your post.

Idem. You've shown nothing that you
pretended was neglected, which wasn't
addressed in the article. You deny
things even when they are demonstrably
correct, which is why I am completely
convinced you operate out of bitter envy
and selfish ambition, inspired by
demonic wisdom, not out of any love for
the truth or desire for people to be
edified in here.

Post by Robert

Post by Christ Rose
affirming the secure foundation upon
which this hope is built. It describes
the Spirit’s work in our lives,
reminding us that our present sufferings
are incomparable to the glory that
awaits us. It culminates in a powerful
declaration of God’s unbreakable love,
which ensures that nothing can separate
us from Him. Romans 8 provides several
reasons why believers should hope for
glory, each rooted in the promises of
God and the work of the Spirit.
Romans 8 shows several reasons to hope
Because Christ Frees from Condemnation
(Romans 8:1-4)
Paul begins by stating that there is
"now no condemnation for those who are
in Christ Jesus" (Romans 8:1). Christ's
sacrificial death liberates believers
from the guilt and penalty of sin,
assuring us of our place in God's family
and our future glorification. This
freedom from condemnation gives us a
firm basis to hope for the promised
glory, as God has justified us through
faith in Christ (Romans 5:1-2). The
epistles further affirm this by teaching
that our justification by faith results
in a sure hope of sharing in the glory
of God.
Because the Spirit Empowers Believers
(Romans 8:5-17)
Paul contrasts living according to the
flesh with living according to the
Spirit, teaching that those who are led
by the Spirit of God are the children of
God (Romans 8:14). The Spirit empowers
believers to live righteously and resist
sin, which is a foretaste of the glory
to come. This empowerment is a guarantee
of our future inheritance, as noted in
Ephesians 1:13-14, where the Spirit is
described as a deposit guaranteeing our
full redemption and glorification in the
future.
Because Glory Outweighs Suffering
(Romans 8:18-25)
Paul acknowledges that present
sufferings are part of our earthly
experience but assures believers that
these sufferings are not worth comparing
with the glory that will be revealed in
us (Romans 8:18). It's not that the
suffering is not bad. It's just that the
glory will be so much better by
comparison. This perspective encourages
believers to endure trials with the hope
that the future glory far surpasses any
present difficulties. Paul speaks of the
redemption of our bodies and the eager
expectation of creation for this
glorious transformation, which aligns
with 2 Corinthians 4:17, emphasizing
that our temporary troubles are
achieving an eternal glory.
Because the Spirit Intercedes (Romans
8:26-27)
Paul explains that the Spirit helps us
in our weakness by interceding for us
with groanings too deep for words
(Romans 8:26). This intercession aligns
our prayers with God's will, providing
comfort and assurance that God is
working everything out for our good and
His glory. The Spirit’s intercession
encourages us to hope for glory, knowing
that God’s Spirit is actively advocating
on our behalf, just as Hebrews 7:25
describes Jesus’ continual intercession
for us as our high priest.
Because God’s Love Secures Us (Romans
8:28-39)
Paul concludes with a declaration of
God's unwavering love, asserting that
nothing can separate us from the love of
God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord
(Romans 8:39). This unbreakable bond
assures us that our future glory is
secure, regardless of trials or
challenges. This assurance strengthens
our hope, as nothing in all creation can
sever the relationship between God and
His children. The epistles further
develop this theme, particularly in
Ephesians 1:4-5, where Paul speaks of
God's predestining love that guarantees
our future glory.
Invitation
If you are here today and have not
placed your trust in Christ, I urge you
to consider the message of Romans 8.
This chapter speaks of a life free from
condemnation, empowered by the Spirit,
and filled with hope for future glory
and assurance in God's love. All these
promises are available to those who are
in Christ Jesus. The Bible teaches that
we all have sinned and fall short of the
glory of God, and the wages of sin is
death (Romans 3:23; 6:23). But God, in
His mercy, provided a way for us to be
reconciled to Him through the death and
resurrection of His Son, Jesus Christ.
Christ’s death on the cross paid the
penalty for our sins, satisfying God's
righteous demands. By raising Him from
the dead, God has proven that He has
accepted Christ's sacrifice on our
behalf. If you confess with your mouth
that Jesus is Lord and believe in your
heart that God raised Him from the dead,
you will be saved (Romans 10:9-10). I
invite you to trust in Christ today, to
call on His name, and ask Him to save
you on the basis of Christ's
propitiating atonement for your sins.
Trust in His finished work, and you will
experience the peace, hope, and
confidence that only He can provide.

--
Have you heard the good news Christ died
for our sins (†), and God raised Him
from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows
we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the
dead shows Christ's death satisfied
God's righteous demands against our sin
(Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2). This means
God can now remain just, while forgiving
you of your sins, and saving you from
eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and
resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you:
"For "everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved."" (Romans
10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation

[Robert]

Post by Christ Rose
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Wed, 28 Aug 2024 16:16:29 -0700,
========================================

Post by Robert

Post by Christ Rose
https://christrose.news/2024/08/romans-8-hope-for-future-glory.html
Proposition
You should hope for glory.

Have you any idea of what that means in the first part of this chapter?

Have you any statement of truth
presented by others in here, which you
do not seek to undermine and promote
doubt about when it doesn't come out of
your own mouth, Diotrephes?

That is a good example of PKB which you are also now doing.
I stated that you did not pay full attention to the scripture, and brought
out the rest of it that you addressed as you were speaking of verses 1-4 or 5
as I recall. Therefore you were focused on those for this part of your post.
You identified them, I followed your context.

So what is your complaining about.

Post by Christ Rose

Post by Robert

Post by Christ Rose
Romans 8 teaches that believers have a
certain hope in the future glory
promised by God. The chapter opens with
the assurance that there is no
condemnation for those in Christ,

You neglected a very, very, vital part of that scripture right out of the
chute, for it says,...
Rom 8:1
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus,
who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
IOW’s not just those which are in Christ Jesus, but those who do not walk
in the flesh, but after the Spirit of God.

1) As will be seen below by any honest
person, you are the one who neglected to
read the article before you undertook to
pretend like you were correcting it.

There is no pretending on my part. Look and read. There is no reason for me
to pretend anything.
I read the whole thing, and there was a whole lot that you missed and needed
to be considered and also clarified. Which I also mentioned. That you took
offense to what I said, is carnal.

Post by Christ Rose
2) We know from your habit, that even
when people correctly state the truth,
you deny it based not on the content of
what they actually said, but on you
imputing and attributing to others what
you claim are false motives.
This is why, although Michael correctly
stated that Christ is all about losing
your life for God's purposes, you
blatantly denied it, and claimed it was
an error. When confronted by numerous
passages which show what he said was
exactly correct, you still persisted
with your accusation it was in error, on
the grounds that--according to you--it
was not presented with the correct
motives. You've done many, many similar
things to my words over the years.
Thus, I perceive you are a judgmental,
deceitful troll who has ruined his
credibility as one who is qualified to
pretend like he's correcting others, or
even to carry on an honest or edifying
conversation with.
========================================
Wed, 28 Aug 2024 17:12:18 -0500,
========================================

Post by Robert
Paul contrasts living according to the
flesh with living according to the
Spirit, teaching that those who are led
by the Spirit of God are the children of
God (Romans 8:14). The Spirit empowers
believers to live righteously and resist
sin, which is a foretaste of the glory
to come.

========================================
The article explicitly contrasts living
according to the flesh with living
according to the Spirit, showing that
those who are truly "in Christ Jesus"
are those who are "led by the Spirit of
God." This directly addresses
Diotrephes’ point that the lack of
condemnation applies specifically to
those walking according to the Spirit
and not the flesh.
Read the article next time, before you
undertake to make a troll of yourself,
Diotrephes.

Post by Robert
The failure to do so is why scripture speaks of those being judged in the
end, who say to Him, the Judge, But, but, Lord did we not do mighty things in
thy name, and he will reply to them depart from me, I never knew you. Yeah,
the religious christians. Those are the people who for all eternity will say,
I should’ve, I could’ve, I would’ve in bondage and despair.

idem.
========================================
Wed, 28 Aug 2024 17:12:18 -0500,
========================================

Post by Robert
The Spirit empowers
believers to live righteously and resist
sin, which is a foretaste of the glory
to come.

========================================
The article addresses this by discussing
how the Spirit empowers believers to
live righteously and resist sin,
implying that true believers, empowered
by the Spirit, will not fall into the
category of those judged as "religious
Christians" who did not truly know
Christ. The empowerment by the Spirit
suggests a true relationship with Christ
that results in righteous living,
contrary to the respondent’s example of
false believers.

Post by Robert
I would strongly recommend that you go back over this chapter and actually
read each and every verse, line by line, as you have missed so much of the
key points in this chapter, of which there are many. But focus on the first
11 verses, resolve the understanding of those with the Lord, one on one,

Idem. I would strongly recommend you
take measures to insure you're not
operating out of the demonic wisdom of
bitter envy and selfish ambition, before
you undertake to feign as if you're
correcting someone else's errors.
========================================
Wed, 28 Aug 2024 17:12:18 -0500,
========================================

Post by Robert
Paul begins by stating that there is
"now no condemnation for those who are
in Christ Jesus" (Romans 8:1). Christ's
sacrificial death liberates believers
from the guilt and penalty of sin,
assuring us of our place in God's family
and our future glorification.

========================================
The article does cover the key points of
the first verses in Romans 8 by
explaining that there is no condemnation
for those in Christ, and later
confirming these are the people who walk
not according to the flesh, but the
Spirit. It is not the focus of this
article to make every possible comment
that can be made about every verse,
exactly how someone else sees fit. The
"omissions" you objected to were in fact
covered in the article.
Read the article next time, before you
undertake to make a troll of yourself,
Diotrephes.

Post by Robert
and not AI, nor the doctrines of men.

James 3:14-15 shows that the wisdom of
demons manifests itself in bitter envy
and selfish ambition. Act shows this is
exactly what the Jews manifested against
Paul, everywhere he proclaimed the
truth, as they contradicted everything
he said, and tried to poison people's
minds against him.
It is an established fact that Robert
(Diotrephes), routinely contradicts,
opposes, and tries to undermine nearly
every statement made in here, that
doesn't come out of his own mouth.
Just recently, he condemned Michael's
correct statement that following Christ
is all about losing your own life. --Not
on the grounds the Bible doesn't
actually teach this (it plainly teaches
it in many verses), but on the grounds
that Robert decided that he wasn't
stating the truth with correct motives,
therefore it was still incorrect. This
confirms to me that Robert is operating
under the influence of demonic wisdom,
not according to the truth, love, or any
desire to edify.
https://christrose.news/demonic-wisdom

Post by Robert
Pay careful attention to verse three as it speaks to why there are so many
“christian” failures.

idem. You have no credibility with me
whatsoever, as being one who either
knows or is qualified to correct what
other's state in here. Your pattern
convinces me that you have not the
slightest bit of conscience left, to
recognize your own efforts to portray as
erroneous, that which is true, and which
you have never actually refuted.

Post by Robert
If you can understand those scriptures it will go a very long way to
understand the rest of this chapter, if you truly care about knowing, and
will lead you into understand of what the glory is that you mentioned at the
top of your post.

Idem. You've shown nothing that you
pretended was neglected, which wasn't
addressed in the article. You deny
things even when they are demonstrably
correct, which is why I am completely
convinced you operate out of bitter envy
and selfish ambition, inspired by
demonic wisdom, not out of any love for
the truth or desire for people to be
edified in here.

Post by Robert

Post by Christ Rose
affirming the secure foundation upon
which this hope is built. It describes
the Spirit’s work in our lives,
reminding us that our present sufferings
are incomparable to the glory that
awaits us. It culminates in a powerful
declaration of God’s unbreakable love,
which ensures that nothing can separate
us from Him. Romans 8 provides several
reasons why believers should hope for
glory, each rooted in the promises of
God and the work of the Spirit.
Romans 8 shows several reasons to hope
Because Christ Frees from Condemnation
(Romans 8:1-4)
Paul begins by stating that there is
"now no condemnation for those who are
in Christ Jesus" (Romans 8:1). Christ's
sacrificial death liberates believers
from the guilt and penalty of sin,
assuring us of our place in God's family
and our future glorification. This
freedom from condemnation gives us a
firm basis to hope for the promised
glory, as God has justified us through
faith in Christ (Romans 5:1-2). The
epistles further affirm this by teaching
that our justification by faith results
in a sure hope of sharing in the glory
of God.
Because the Spirit Empowers Believers
(Romans 8:5-17)
Paul contrasts living according to the
flesh with living according to the
Spirit, teaching that those who are led
by the Spirit of God are the children of
God (Romans 8:14). The Spirit empowers
believers to live righteously and resist
sin, which is a foretaste of the glory
to come. This empowerment is a guarantee
of our future inheritance, as noted in
Ephesians 1:13-14, where the Spirit is
described as a deposit guaranteeing our
full redemption and glorification in the
future.
Because Glory Outweighs Suffering
(Romans 8:18-25)
Paul acknowledges that present
sufferings are part of our earthly
experience but assures believers that
these sufferings are not worth comparing
with the glory that will be revealed in
us (Romans 8:18). It's not that the
suffering is not bad. It's just that the
glory will be so much better by
comparison. This perspective encourages
believers to endure trials with the hope
that the future glory far surpasses any
present difficulties. Paul speaks of the
redemption of our bodies and the eager
expectation of creation for this
glorious transformation, which aligns
with 2 Corinthians 4:17, emphasizing
that our temporary troubles are
achieving an eternal glory.
Because the Spirit Intercedes (Romans
8:26-27)
Paul explains that the Spirit helps us
in our weakness by interceding for us
with groanings too deep for words
(Romans 8:26). This intercession aligns
our prayers with God's will, providing
comfort and assurance that God is
working everything out for our good and
His glory. The Spirit’s intercession
encourages us to hope for glory, knowing
that God’s Spirit is actively advocating
on our behalf, just as Hebrews 7:25
describes Jesus’ continual intercession
for us as our high priest.
Because God’s Love Secures Us (Romans
8:28-39)
Paul concludes with a declaration of
God's unwavering love, asserting that
nothing can separate us from the love of
God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord
(Romans 8:39). This unbreakable bond
assures us that our future glory is
secure, regardless of trials or
challenges. This assurance strengthens
our hope, as nothing in all creation can
sever the relationship between God and
His children. The epistles further
develop this theme, particularly in
Ephesians 1:4-5, where Paul speaks of
God's predestining love that guarantees
our future glory.
Invitation
If you are here today and have not
placed your trust in Christ, I urge you
to consider the message of Romans 8.
This chapter speaks of a life free from
condemnation, empowered by the Spirit,
and filled with hope for future glory
and assurance in God's love. All these
promises are available to those who are
in Christ Jesus. The Bible teaches that
we all have sinned and fall short of the
glory of God, and the wages of sin is
death (Romans 3:23; 6:23). But God, in
His mercy, provided a way for us to be
reconciled to Him through the death and
resurrection of His Son, Jesus Christ.
Christ’s death on the cross paid the
penalty for our sins, satisfying God's
righteous demands. By raising Him from
the dead, God has proven that He has
accepted Christ's sacrifice on our
behalf. If you confess with your mouth
that Jesus is Lord and believe in your
heart that God raised Him from the dead,
you will be saved (Romans 10:9-10). I
invite you to trust in Christ today, to
call on His name, and ask Him to save
you on the basis of Christ's
propitiating atonement for your sins.
Trust in His finished work, and you will
experience the peace, hope, and
confidence that only He can provide.

[In the Name of Jesus]

Post by Christ Rose
========================================
Wed, 28 Aug 2024 16:16:29 -0700,
========================================

Post by Robert

Post by Christ Rose
https://christrose.news/2024/08/romans-8-hope-for-future-glory.html
Proposition
You should hope for glory.

Have you any idea of what that means in the first part of this chapter?

Have you any statement of truth
presented by others in here, which you
do not seek to undermine and promote
doubt about when it doesn't come out of
your own mouth, Diotrephes?

Hahahahahahahaha...





In the Name of Jesus

Post by Christ Rose

Post by Robert

Post by Christ Rose
Romans 8 teaches that believers have a
certain hope in the future glory
promised by God. The chapter opens with
the assurance that there is no
condemnation for those in Christ,

You neglected...

1) As will be seen below by any honest
person, you are the one who neglected to
read the article before you undertook to
pretend like you were correcting it.
2) We know from your habit, that even
when people correctly state the truth,
you deny it based not on the content of
what they actually said, but on you
imputing and attributing to others what
you claim are false motives.
This is why, although Michael correctly
stated that Christ is all about losing
your life for God's purposes, you
blatantly denied it, and claimed it was
an error. When confronted by numerous
passages which show what he said was
exactly correct, you still persisted
with your accusation it was in error, on
the grounds that--according to you--it
was not presented with the correct
motives. You've done many, many similar
things to my words over the years.
Thus, I perceive you are a judgmental,
deceitful troll who has ruined his
credibility as one who is qualified to
pretend like he's correcting others, or
even to carry on an honest or edifying
conversation with.

Post by Robert
a very, very, vital part of that scripture right out of the
chute, for it says,...
Rom 8:1
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus,
who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
IOW’s not just those which are in Christ Jesus, but those who do not walk
in the flesh, but after the Spirit of God.

========================================
Wed, 28 Aug 2024 17:12:18 -0500,
========================================

Post by Robert
Paul contrasts living according to the
flesh with living according to the
Spirit, teaching that those who are led
by the Spirit of God are the children of
God (Romans 8:14). The Spirit empowers
believers to live righteously and resist
sin, which is a foretaste of the glory
to come.

========================================
The article explicitly contrasts living
according to the flesh with living
according to the Spirit, showing that
those who are truly "in Christ Jesus"
are those who are "led by the Spirit of
God." This directly addresses
Diotrephes’ point that the lack of
condemnation applies specifically to
those walking according to the Spirit
and not the flesh.
Read the article next time, before you
undertake to make a troll of yourself,
Diotrephes.

Post by Robert
The failure to do so is why scripture speaks of those being judged in the
end, who say to Him, the Judge, But, but, Lord did we not do mighty things in
thy name, and he will reply to them depart from me, I never knew you. Yeah,
the religious christians. Those are the people who for all eternity will say,
I should’ve, I could’ve, I would’ve in bondage and despair.

idem.
========================================
Wed, 28 Aug 2024 17:12:18 -0500,
========================================

Post by Robert
The Spirit empowers
believers to live righteously and resist
sin, which is a foretaste of the glory
to come.

========================================
The article addresses this by discussing
how the Spirit empowers believers to
live righteously and resist sin,
implying that true believers, empowered
by the Spirit, will not fall into the
category of those judged as "religious
Christians" who did not truly know
Christ. The empowerment by the Spirit
suggests a true relationship with Christ
that results in righteous living,
contrary to the respondent’s example of
false believers.

Post by Robert
I would strongly recommend that you go back over this chapter and actually
read each and every verse, line by line, as you have missed so much of the
key points in this chapter, of which there are many. But focus on the first
11 verses, resolve the understanding of those with the Lord, one on one,

Idem. I would strongly recommend you
take measures to insure you're not
operating out of the demonic wisdom of
bitter envy and selfish ambition, before
you undertake to feign as if you're
correcting someone else's errors.
========================================
Wed, 28 Aug 2024 17:12:18 -0500,
========================================

Post by Robert
Paul begins by stating that there is
"now no condemnation for those who are
in Christ Jesus" (Romans 8:1). Christ's
sacrificial death liberates believers
from the guilt and penalty of sin,
assuring us of our place in God's family
and our future glorification.

========================================
The article does cover the key points of
the first verses in Romans 8 by
explaining that there is no condemnation
for those in Christ, and later
confirming these are the people who walk
not according to the flesh, but the
Spirit. It is not the focus of this
article to make every possible comment
that can be made about every verse,
exactly how someone else sees fit. The
"omissions" you objected to were in fact
covered in the article.
Read the article next time, before you
undertake to make a troll of yourself,
Diotrephes.

Post by Robert
and not AI, nor the doctrines of men.

James 3:14-15 shows that the wisdom of
demons manifests itself in bitter envy
and selfish ambition. Act shows this is
exactly what the Jews manifested against
Paul, everywhere he proclaimed the
truth, as they contradicted everything
he said, and tried to poison people's
minds against him.
It is an established fact that Robert
(Diotrephes), routinely contradicts,
opposes, and tries to undermine nearly
every statement made in here, that
doesn't come out of his own mouth.
Just recently, he condemned Michael's
correct statement that following Christ
is all about losing your own life. --Not
on the grounds the Bible doesn't
actually teach this (it plainly teaches
it in many verses), but on the grounds
that Robert decided that he wasn't
stating the truth with correct motives,
therefore it was still incorrect. This
confirms to me that Robert is operating
under the influence of demonic wisdom,
not according to the truth, love, or any
desire to edify.
https://christrose.news/demonic-wisdom

Post by Robert
Pay careful attention to verse three as it speaks to why there are so many
“christian” failures.

idem. You have no credibility with me
whatsoever, as being one who either
knows or is qualified to correct what
other's state in here. Your pattern
convinces me that you have not the
slightest bit of conscience left, to
recognize your own efforts to portray as
erroneous, that which is true, and which
you have never actually refuted.

Post by Robert
If you can understand those scriptures it will go a very long way to
understand the rest of this chapter, if you truly care about knowing, and
will lead you into understand of what the glory is that you mentioned at the
top of your post.

Idem. You've shown nothing that you
pretended was neglected, which wasn't
addressed in the article. You deny
things even when they are demonstrably
correct, which is why I am completely
convinced you operate out of bitter envy
and selfish ambition, inspired by
demonic wisdom, not out of any love for
the truth or desire for people to be
edified in here.

Post by Robert

Post by Christ Rose
affirming the secure foundation upon
which this hope is built. It describes
the Spirit’s work in our lives,
reminding us that our present sufferings
are incomparable to the glory that
awaits us. It culminates in a powerful
declaration of God’s unbreakable love,
which ensures that nothing can separate
us from Him. Romans 8 provides several
reasons why believers should hope for
glory, each rooted in the promises of
God and the work of the Spirit.
Romans 8 shows several reasons to hope
Because Christ Frees from Condemnation
(Romans 8:1-4)
Paul begins by stating that there is
"now no condemnation for those who are
in Christ Jesus" (Romans 8:1). Christ's
sacrificial death liberates believers
from the guilt and penalty of sin,
assuring us of our place in God's family
and our future glorification. This
freedom from condemnation gives us a
firm basis to hope for the promised
glory, as God has justified us through
faith in Christ (Romans 5:1-2). The
epistles further affirm this by teaching
that our justification by faith results
in a sure hope of sharing in the glory
of God.
Because the Spirit Empowers Believers
(Romans 8:5-17)
Paul contrasts living according to the
flesh with living according to the
Spirit, teaching that those who are led
by the Spirit of God are the children of
God (Romans 8:14). The Spirit empowers
believers to live righteously and resist
sin, which is a foretaste of the glory
to come. This empowerment is a guarantee
of our future inheritance, as noted in
Ephesians 1:13-14, where the Spirit is
described as a deposit guaranteeing our
full redemption and glorification in the
future.
Because Glory Outweighs Suffering
(Romans 8:18-25)
Paul acknowledges that present
sufferings are part of our earthly
experience but assures believers that
these sufferings are not worth comparing
with the glory that will be revealed in
us (Romans 8:18). It's not that the
suffering is not bad. It's just that the
glory will be so much better by
comparison. This perspective encourages
believers to endure trials with the hope
that the future glory far surpasses any
present difficulties. Paul speaks of the
redemption of our bodies and the eager
expectation of creation for this
glorious transformation, which aligns
with 2 Corinthians 4:17, emphasizing
that our temporary troubles are
achieving an eternal glory.
Because the Spirit Intercedes (Romans
8:26-27)
Paul explains that the Spirit helps us
in our weakness by interceding for us
with groanings too deep for words
(Romans 8:26). This intercession aligns
our prayers with God's will, providing
comfort and assurance that God is
working everything out for our good and
His glory. The Spirit’s intercession
encourages us to hope for glory, knowing
that God’s Spirit is actively advocating
on our behalf, just as Hebrews 7:25
describes Jesus’ continual intercession
for us as our high priest.
Because God’s Love Secures Us (Romans
8:28-39)
Paul concludes with a declaration of
God's unwavering love, asserting that
nothing can separate us from the love of
God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord
(Romans 8:39). This unbreakable bond
assures us that our future glory is
secure, regardless of trials or
challenges. This assurance strengthens
our hope, as nothing in all creation can
sever the relationship between God and
His children. The epistles further
develop this theme, particularly in
Ephesians 1:4-5, where Paul speaks of
God's predestining love that guarantees
our future glory.
Invitation
If you are here today and have not
placed your trust in Christ, I urge you
to consider the message of Romans 8.
This chapter speaks of a life free from
condemnation, empowered by the Spirit,
and filled with hope for future glory
and assurance in God's love. All these
promises are available to those who are
in Christ Jesus. The Bible teaches that
we all have sinned and fall short of the
glory of God, and the wages of sin is
death (Romans 3:23; 6:23). But God, in
His mercy, provided a way for us to be
reconciled to Him through the death and
resurrection of His Son, Jesus Christ.
Christ’s death on the cross paid the
penalty for our sins, satisfying God's
righteous demands. By raising Him from
the dead, God has proven that He has
accepted Christ's sacrifice on our
behalf. If you confess with your mouth
that Jesus is Lord and believe in your
heart that God raised Him from the dead,
you will be saved (Romans 10:9-10). I
invite you to trust in Christ today, to
call on His name, and ask Him to save
you on the basis of Christ's
propitiating atonement for your sins.
Trust in His finished work, and you will
experience the peace, hope, and
confidence that only He can provide.

--
Have you heard the good news Christ died
for our sins (†), and God raised Him
from the dead?
That Christ died for our sins shows
we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the
dead shows Christ's death satisfied
God's righteous demands against our sin
(Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2). This means
God can now remain just, while forgiving
you of your sins, and saving you from
eternal damnation.
On the basis of Christ's death and
resurrection for our sins, call on
"For "everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved."" (Romans
10:13, ESV)
https://christrose.news/salvation

--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: a man full of bluster and bullshit in his
meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

"What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence."

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."

"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."

"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."