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Robert
2024-11-27 06:35:38 UTC
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Jhn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my
words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our
abode with him.

Jhn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I
have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Question, if you do not read the Words of God how then can you keep his
commandments?

If your conscience is seared, then how will you understand? And look also at
all the excuses one has for doing this thing or that? Which Jesus stated was
of the flesh, carnal.

How can anyone claim to worship Jesus if their being is not totally involved
with Him in everyday life?

How often in any given day do you praise Him with thanksgiving and prayers
for his involvement in your day to day life?

Matthew 11:29(KJV) 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek
and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

Desire rest, then dwell in this life as did Jesus.

As Believers in Jesus do this,...

Matthew 26:41(KJV) 41Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the
spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

For this cause one should walk always in the spirit, so as not to follow the
Fleshly desires.
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In the Name of Jesus
2024-11-27 09:00:43 UTC
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Jhn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my
words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our
abode with him.
Jhn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I
have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Question, if you do not read the Words of God how then can you keep his
commandments?
If your conscience is seared, then how will you understand? And look also at
all the excuses one has for doing this thing or that? Which Jesus stated was
of the flesh, carnal.
How can anyone claim to worship Jesus if their being is not totally involved
with Him in everyday life?
How often in any given day do you praise Him with thanksgiving and prayers
for his involvement in your day to day life?
Matthew 11:29(KJV) 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek
and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Desire rest, then dwell in this life as did Jesus.
As Believers in Jesus do this,...
Matthew 26:41(KJV) 41Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the
spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
For this cause one should walk always in the spirit, so as not to follow the
Fleshly desires.
"Shoulders" never stop quoting scripture as though the keep every jot
and tittle of it.

How can a "shoulder" not be a hypocrite and a liar? There are none of
those in Christ Jesus, praise the Lord!





In the Name of Jesus
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God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything, He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free, and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not so that a book could pass
through it for a sinner to play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: a man full of bluster and bullshit in his
meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

"What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence."

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God; God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."

"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."

"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."

"God has to be quiet now; we have our bible. Well, then, who is going to
speak?"

"It is all about the Lord in His glory and whether a man loves Him with
all for who He is."

"A son of God became the bible when he was born again because the Holy
Spirit took up residence in his heart as Lord."

"The veil of the temple was not rent in twain so that a bible could pass
as God."
Christ Rose
2024-11-27 13:55:20 UTC
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Jhn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my
words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our
abode with him.
Jhn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I
have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Question, if you do not read the Words of God how then can you keep his
commandments?
You can't. This exposes McGaslighter as one who seeks to turn people
away from the Jesus we know from the Bible. He labors to turn people
away from what the real Jesus actually said, and what the word of God
says about the real Jesus. Then he substitutes his own fabricated Jesus
whenever he doesn't like what the real Jesus says.

• Jesus said the Holy Spirit would guide his disciples into all truth,
yet he denies what John wrote by the Holy Spirit, claiming he doesn't
even have a sin nature, or ever sin (John 1:8-9).

• Thus, he denies he should confess his sins to the Lord on a daily
basis while he asks for his daily food, as the real Jesus instructed him
to do (Matthew 6:11-12).

• He denies that a "brother" could sin against him 490 times per day,
but should still be considered a brother and forgiven if he repents
(Luke 17:3-4; Matthew 18:21-22). Instead, he implies the person is not a
brother at all, but is an unregenerate. Thus he treats those who
actually are obeying and following Christ, as if they are unbelievers
for doing what the real Jesus told them to do, and admitting they have a
sin nature and need to confess their sins to God.

• He confuses Christ's once-for-all atonement with the idea that he made
a once-for-all confession of his sin.

• By denying he has a sin nature or ever sins, he exposes himself as one
who has neither the truth nor the word of God in him (1 John 1:8-9).
Post by Robert
If your conscience is seared, then how will you understand? And look also at
all the excuses one has for doing this thing or that? Which Jesus stated was
of the flesh, carnal.
Which proves the point you played devil's advocate against for a year:
the believer has a sin nature which must be reckoned as dead in Christ
through faith, in order to not yield to that nature. You claimed that
nature was "gone"¹, in support of Gnostic heresy (1 John 1:8-9). Now you
come back and admit it's the truth. You tried to portray me as some kind
of Bible contradicting liar who was out to promote sin, for admitting
what the Bible everywhere teaches, which is that the believer retains a
sin nature that wages war against him till glory (Romans 8).
Post by Robert
How can anyone claim to worship Jesus if their being is not totally involved
with Him in everyday life?
Ask yourself that the next time you

• 1) try to poison people's minds against someone who is proclaiming the
truth of the gospel, while you

• 2) then go and say the same thing they just said, and

• 3) pretend like when you say it, you're correcting their error.

You show every day that you're not so much interested in the propagation
of the truth here, as you are making sure no one but yourself is viewed
as knowing or proclaiming it.

• Then, after you dedicate your life to this kind of behavior, you
accuse anyone who rebukes you over it of failing to show you love.
You're such a self-evident hypocrite.
Post by Robert
How often in any given day do you praise Him with thanksgiving and prayers
for his involvement in your day to day life?
Matthew 11:29(KJV) 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek
and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Desire rest, then dwell in this life as did Jesus.
As Believers in Jesus do this,...
Matthew 26:41(KJV) 41Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the
spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
For this cause one should walk always in the spirit, so as not to follow the
Fleshly desires.
What "fleshly desires"? Didn't you spend a year playing devil's advocate
for the Gnostic heresy that believers don't even have a sin nature,
because it's "gone"?¹

This is what I'm talking about. When someone else proclaims the truth
(believers struggle against a sin nature till glory
(https://christrose.news/sin-nature), you try to portray them as one who
promotes and encourages sin, and who promotes doctrines contrary to what
the Bible teaches. Then you come back and say the same thing they said,
and act like you're the only one who knows or defends the truth. How
does this not expose the fact you're not in here so much to support the
propagation of the truth, as you are to convey the impression you're the
only one who knows or tells it?

___________________________

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1.
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Fri, 31 May 2024 12:01:20 -0700,
<***@news.eternal-september.org>
Robert <***@no.way> wrote:
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The old sin-nature is GONE -- For the believer
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Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (†), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved.'" (Romans 10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation
In the Name of Jesus
2024-11-27 20:29:16 UTC
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Tue, 26 Nov 2024 22:35:38 -0800
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Post by Robert
Jhn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my
words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our
abode with him.
Jhn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I
have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Question, if you do not read the Words of God how then can you keep his
commandments?
You can't. This exposes McGaslighter as one who seeks to turn people
away from the Jesus we know from the Bible. He labors to turn people
away from what the real Jesus actually said, and what the word of God
says about the real Jesus. Then he substitutes his own fabricated Jesus
whenever he doesn't like what the real Jesus says.
• Jesus said the Holy Spirit would guide his disciples into all truth,
yet he denies what John wrote by the Holy Spirit, claiming he doesn't
even have a sin nature, or ever sin (John 1:8-9).
• Thus, he denies he should confess his sins to the Lord on a daily
basis while he asks for his daily food, as the real Jesus instructed him
to do (Matthew 6:11-12).
• He denies that a "brother" could sin against him 490 times per day,
but should still be considered a brother and forgiven if he repents
(Luke 17:3-4; Matthew 18:21-22). Instead, he implies the person is not a
brother at all, but is an unregenerate. Thus he treats those who
actually are obeying and following Christ, as if they are unbelievers
for doing what the real Jesus told them to do, and admitting they have a
sin nature and need to confess their sins to God.
• He confuses Christ's once-for-all atonement with the idea that he made
a once-for-all confession of his sin.
• By denying he has a sin nature or ever sins, he exposes himself as one
who has neither the truth nor the word of God in him (1 John 1:8-9).
Post by Robert
If your conscience is seared, then how will you understand? And look also at
all the excuses one has for doing this thing or that? Which Jesus stated was
of the flesh, carnal.
the believer has a sin nature which must be reckoned as dead in Christ
through faith, in order to not yield to that nature. You claimed that
nature was "gone"¹, in support of Gnostic heresy (1 John 1:8-9). Now you
come back and admit it's the truth. You tried to portray me as some kind
of Bible contradicting liar who was out to promote sin, for admitting
what the Bible everywhere teaches, which is that the believer retains a
sin nature that wages war against him till glory (Romans 8).
Post by Robert
How can anyone claim to worship Jesus if their being is not totally involved
with Him in everyday life?
Ask yourself that the next time you
• 1) try to poison people's minds against someone who is proclaiming the
truth of the gospel, while you
• 2) then go and say the same thing they just said, and
• 3) pretend like when you say it, you're correcting their error.
You show every day that you're not so much interested in the propagation
of the truth here, as you are making sure no one but yourself is viewed
as knowing or proclaiming it.
• Then, after you dedicate your life to this kind of behavior, you
accuse anyone who rebukes you over it of failing to show you love.
You're such a self-evident hypocrite.
Post by Robert
How often in any given day do you praise Him with thanksgiving and prayers
for his involvement in your day to day life?
Matthew 11:29(KJV) 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek
and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Desire rest, then dwell in this life as did Jesus.
As Believers in Jesus do this,...
Matthew 26:41(KJV) 41Watch and pray, that ye enter not into
temptation: the
spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
For this cause one should walk always in the spirit, so as not to follow the
Fleshly desires.
What "fleshly desires"? Didn't you spend a year playing devil's advocate
for the Gnostic heresy that believers don't even have a sin nature,
because it's "gone"?¹
This is what I'm talking about. When someone else proclaims the truth
(believers struggle against a sin nature till glory (https://
christrose.news/sin-nature), you try to portray them as one who promotes
and encourages sin, and who promotes doctrines contrary to what the
Bible teaches. Then you come back and say the same thing they said, and
act like you're the only one who knows or defends the truth. How does
this not expose the fact you're not in here so much to support the
propagation of the truth, as you are to convey the impression you're the
only one who knows or tells it?
___________________________
Source
1.
========================================
Fri, 31 May 2024 12:01:20 -0700,
========================================
The old sin-nature is GONE -- For the believer
========================================
There are no whore Rosie's in Christ Jesus.

The sons of God repented of all they were and were cleansed of all
unrighteousness; not through their own efforts, but through the work of
the Lord in obedience to His will.

Sinners have another master, sin! And no amount of theology is going to
change that fact! "Lord, Lord didn't we study the bible in our own names?"

Yeah, piss off, ye self-worshiping liars.



In the Name of Jesus
--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything, He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free, and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not so that a book could pass
through it for a sinner to play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: a man full of bluster and bullshit in his
meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

"What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence."

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God; God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."

"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."

"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."

"God has to be quiet now; we have our bible. Well, then, who is going to
speak?"

"It is all about the Lord in His glory and whether a man loves Him with
all for who He is."

"A son of God became the bible when he was born again because the Holy
Spirit took up residence in his heart as Lord."

"The veil of the temple was not rent in twain so that a bible could pass
as God."
Rod E.
2024-12-02 04:11:45 UTC
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For this cause one should walk always in the spirit, so as not to follow the
Fleshly desires.
Well said Robert.

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