Post by RobertPost by JamesPost by RobertPost by Rod FlandersPost by No OneYou heard it correctly. They are blanketing towns with Spanish brochures and
letters celebrating the Muerte aka Death of Christ, NOT his resurrection
which all of christianity celebrates.
They deceitfully claim to be christians and use the New Testament in
conjunction with lying spirits, in order to draw others into the hell they
believe in.
They do not believe in Jesus the Messiah as Savior and soon coming King as is
taught in the NT, they do not believe that Jesus is God, nor that he is
Divine.
Do not allow them to drag you into their hell.
Do NOT welcome them into your home.
They only want you so they can get your money into their slush funds of
Millions upon millions for the pleasure of their upper elite.
It's not that complicated to find salvation.
"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."
Acts 16:31
You can argue over jots and tittles, but that's all you need for salvation. We
are to accept all Christians as brothers in Christ. If they are wrong, God
will judge them, not you.
Gal 1:8-9 (KJV)
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you
than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel
unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
1Co 6:2Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world
shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Co 6:5I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among
you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
1Co 14:29Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
A JW in NOT a brother in Christ. While they finally acknowledge that he
existed they deny that he is God, and that he is resurrected still. There is
a whole host of other things they err in.
Hi Robert,
Speaking of errors, you need to change your anti-JW web page. I'll try
I have no anti-JW Web page. I visit none as well.
Good for you. Prejudicial beliefs have no place for fact finding of
truths.
Post by RobertPost by James"A JW in NOT a brother in Christ. "
Of course just saying it, doesn't make it true. You need evidence. So
let's go on.
You are not and cannot be. Roman 8: 8,10
-- King James
Romans 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
ALL humans are born fleshly. ("in the flesh") We have no control over
that. So, "in the flesh" cannot mean that literally. To me it means
actually DOING those fleshly desires that we all are born with. Then
that person would be called a 'fleshly' person.
-- King James
Romans 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin;
but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
If a person takes his mind off of fleshly things, and instead trains
it to think of spiritual things, that person is acting spiritually,
and has a chance for life eternal. (1 Joh 2:17)
Post by RobertPost by James"While they finally acknowledge that he existed"
At least they have an imagination. I am sure that they acknowledged
Jesus right from the first. If you have proof otherwise, I would like
to see it.
You have long since forgotten what you were originally taught, He was just
some man, not spiritual,
Bleep! Wrong statement. My JW library of the Watchtower only goes back
to 1950. (that is before I became a JW) But notice this first
paragraph about Jesus in the 1950 Watchtower:
"Jesus, the Faithful Son of God
NO OTHER birth in all human history has equaled in importance the
birth of Jesus. He who was Gods spokesman or Logos, he who was Gods
first and only direct creation, he through whom all other things were
made, this one laid aside his lofty invisible existence as a spirit
creature and was born of human flesh in the lowly form of a man.
Little wonder that at his birth angelic creatures jubilantly sang,
Glory to God in the highest; and on earth peace to men of good
will.John 1:1-14, ED; Rev. 3:14; Luke 2:13, 14, Dy."
Post by Robertand he is dead, not resurrected.
Bleep2!! Another error. To my knowledge, JW's always taught that Jesus
was resurrected from the dead by God. Again let's go as far back as I
can go. (the 1950 Watchtower):
"Those who went into the ark with Noah thereby showed that they had
agreed to do Gods will as made known to them by Noah. They were
baptized unto Noah and were thus saved from the flood. When once the
long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a
preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls, were saved by water. The
like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the
putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good
conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.1 Pet.
3:20, 21."
Post by RobertAll things that are
opposed by scripture of which you have been given repeatedly for over 25
years. I don't have any or your old red, green, blue books and probably you
dont either as you have been instructed to throw those away in light of
new revealed truths
Bleep3!!! I was NEVER instructed to throw away JW literature. When
they want to slim down their JW library, some JW's donate them to
local libraries, etc. Many others just keep them a part of their
library.
Post by RobertPost by James"they deny that he is God, "
Fantastic, you got one right!!!
Alright, if Jesus is really God, then please explain these Bible
-- King James
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come
again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go
unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
I have done so, so many times that your head should be spinning in satanic
horror.
I use the computer as an extension of my brain, since my real brain is
not firing on all cylinders, esp with memory.
Post by RobertJesus Is the Son of God, he is the anointed one, Christ aka The
Messiah. The one foretold of From Genesis, and throughout the OT. He, Jesus,
is Jehovah, the creator.
And you were doing so good. Yes, Jesus is the Son of God, and God's
anointed one, and is the Messiah. BUT HE IS NOT JEHOVAH, as these
Scriptures clearly show. If you insist that he is, then you have to
explain these cited Scriptures. (that show he can't be God)
And yes, His Father is greater than he,
As you said, If "He, Jesus, is Jehovah, the creator", then Jesus is
the Father also. Yet you agree with John 14:28 that Jesus is inferior
to the Father. Again, yet he is the Father. As you can see, it doesn't
make any sense.
But it makes perfect sense (as do all of these) if Jesus was a created
being, and is the Son of God, not God.
yet he gave
Post by RobertJesus full power and authority to deal with the business of Sin upon this
earth. Plus, we humans were created in their image.
Notice, if Jesus was God, he would already have that power and
authority. But the Bible says that God gave it to Jesus. So Jesus
never had it before then.
Post by RobertGen 1:26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and
let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the
air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping
thing that creepeth upon the earth.
You claim to believe all the Bible, yet you do not and you ALL make excuses.
I believe 99.9999% of the Bible. (there might be a couple of Scribal
contradictory errors concerning numbers, such as was it 100,000
chariots or 10,000 chariots?)
Post by RobertPost by JamesJesus on earth stated that as a Bible fact. But what about when Jesus
was already in Heaven with God?
He is YHWH, as described in the OT, that you call Jehovah.,
JW's didn't invent that name. For instance, the KJV Bible of the
1600's says this at Ps 83:18:
-- King James
Psalms 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is
Jehovah, art the most high over all the earth.
Post by RobertYet you both
denied that truth as well as accepted it during our past convos.
Again, you are not making any sense. (or you are seeing my stupidity)
I don't deny anything in the Bible except what I stated above.
Post by RobertPost by James-- King James
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every
man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of
Christ is God.
Only for those that are Born Again, not for you and the rest of the JWs.
You are not getting the Bible truth here. You say Jesus IS God, yet
the apostle Paul wrote under inspiration (2 Tim 3:16), that Jesus was
inferior to God. Did the apostle Paul lie here?
Post by RobertJesus denies the existence of you all to His Heavenly Father.
You can't possibly know that. You here, are judging us. Thus breaking
one of Jesus' commands:
-- King James
Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. (also notice vs 2,3)
Until you
Post by Robertaccept Him in the fulness of his Glory you are doomed, and because of that
your children who you have misled whose blood will be on your hands.
Then JW's have no problem then.
Post by RobertPost by JamesJesus in Heaven is still inferior to God.
Poor choice of words, intended to belittle Jesus.
Are you afraid of Scriptural truths? Then according to you, Jesus
belittled himself:
-- King James
John 14:28 ....for my Father is greater than I.
Then that makes him inferior to God, such as is mentioned below.
Post by RobertWho, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with
God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a
servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a
man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of
the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name
which is above every name: (Php 2:6-9, KJV)
Yes, when Jesus was in Heaven with God, he never considered himself
equal to God. That would be foolish since Jesus was CREATED by God.
(see below the proof)
Post by RobertYou have said that you believe every word in the Word of God, yet you deny
this, repeating instead what the evil one gave you.
I don't deny anything here. And speaking of the "evil one", he has all
the churches in his grip, as well as all other religions. At present,
he is the "god" of this planet. (2 Cor 4:4)
Post by RobertPost by James-- New King James
Exodus 33:20 But He said, "You cannot see My face; for no man shall
see Me, and live.''
Yet many people saw Jesus' face but still lived. Please explain.
I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou
gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with
the glory which I had with thee before the world was. (Jhn 17:4-5, KJV)
When Jesus the Christ called Paul to work for him and to believe on Him, Paul
was blinded. Of that there is no argument.
?? What does that have to do with Ex 33:20? It is very clear. No human
can see God and continue to live. So to repeat, if Jesus is God as you
and the churches teach, no one died in the 1st century who saw Jesus.
THAT PROVES THAT JESUS IS NOT GOD.
Post by RobertPost by JamesAlso, Joh 6:46, "No one has seen the Father except the one who is from
God; only he has seen the Father." (NIV)
Please explain.
The Father meaning the Heavenly Father is Spirit, here, the words as spoken
by Jesus,
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and
in truth. (Jhn 4:24, KJV)
Jesus also called His Heavenly Father, God.
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my
Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father,
and your Father; and to my God, and your God. (Jhn 20:17, KJV)
He did the work that His Heavenly Father sent Him to do.
Yes, Jesus said those things that way because he is God's Son, NOT
God. John 6:46 also shows that no one in the OT ever went to Heaven.
Otherwise they would have seen God.
Post by RobertPost by JamesJesus also said at Re 3:14 that he was the beginning of God's
creations. Re 3:14,
"And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, `These things
says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the
creation of God:'" (NKJV)
Please explain.
use of the term firstborn in reference to Christ says nothing concerning his
origin, but declares his position, rank, and office.
I wanted a comment on Rev 3:14. It tells us that when God began to
create things, JESUS WAS THE FIRST. That statement is supported at Col
1:15:
-- New American Standard
Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn
of all creation.
Yes it mentions "firstborn" here. But does it only mean "position,
rank, and office."? NO, NOT AT ALL. For PROOF, look carefully at the
context. The whole thing is talking about THINGS CREATED, of which
Jesus was the FIRST. When God started to create, He had to start
someplace. And Jesus was that "someplace" He started at.
Post by RobertNote the use of
"firstborn" in Job 18:13, John Daille notes that we are to understand
"
eldest or first born, to signify the head, the lord, and the master. We
say, therefore, that it is in this sense we must understand the apostles
words, Christ is the first-born of every creature, that is, the Master
and Lord of them; which in no way implies that he himself is a creature;
lords not being always of the same extraction and lineage with their
subjects, but most frequently of another very different. And as it would be
ridiculous reasoning to conclude that he who has the dominion of death is
death itself, under the colour that Job terms him, the first-born of
death; so is it most impertinent arguing to infer that the Lord is a
creature, because the apostle says here, that he is the first-born of
every creature" (An Exposition of Colossians, p. 102). The term first-born
does not imply that Christ was a created being. It has been interpreted as
used in the absolute sense, becoming a recognized title of Messiah; thus, His
preeminence and sovereignty
It looks like your commentator John Daille failed to look at the
context. What was written there contradicted the Trinity, and he
couldn't have that, since that is the primary meat of most churches.
Did you know that the Trinity as taught today came from the 4th
century? Thus it is extra-Biblical.
Post by RobertPost by James-- Revised Standard
Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the first-born
of all creation;
Carefully notice the context. It is things created, of which Jesus was
the first.
I refer you to the last paragraph posted for you benefit, thus destroying the
works of Satan, the god of this world, the instructor of the JW organization.
Actually it is the only door of truth in the world today. Millions
agree with that, and so have dedicated their lives in serving God and
Jesus. They also are the ONLY ones fulfilling Mt 24:14:
(Matthew 24:14) And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in
all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the
end will come. (NWT)
Thus if you believe we are now in the last days, Jesus' words MUST be
in fulfillment. JW's divide THE WHOLE WORLD into territories, and then
assign congregations to work that territory.
They also send missionaries to work certain territories. When they
will be sent to a land with a foreign language, then try to learn the
language.
Who else is fulfilling Mt 24:14? You MUST see such a thing going on in
the last days. Either that, or Jesus lied. You know where JW's stand.
Post by RobertPost by James-- New King James
Mark 10:18 So Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is
good but One, that is, God."
Compared to God, not even Jesus is good. But compared to humans, Jesus
was super good. So please explain.
False assumption, and I well addressed this false teaching of yours recently,
nothing has changed since.
Alright, forget my comment. Let's see it again:
-- New King James
Mark 10:18 So Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is
good but One, that is, God.
If Jesus is God, how can you explain this? Just to tell me we have
gone over this before, is not an answer. Please humor me. Explain
please.
Post by RobertPost by James-- New King James
Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All
authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth."
+>Addressed above/
Post by RobertPost by JamesThat means that at one time in the past, Jesus didn't have that
authority. Not until it was "given" by God. If he was God, he always
had it. Please explain.
How do the churches explain this?
Post by RobertPost by James-- New King James
John 10:36 "do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent
into the world, `You are blaspheming,' because I said, `I am the Son
of God'?
Why didn't Jesus say he was God? Please explain.
He admitted he was, and when he did so they fell over backwards
Show me please.
Post by RobertAll the things have been addressed and replied to previously, many times.
Why do you deny them all and repeat the doctrines of the evil one?
That is a cop out saying we went over these before. If you can't give
me a reasonable answer, I have to assume you have none. At least be
honest with yourself.
Post by RobertPost by JamesThere are a lot more. But you probably have your hands full with
"and that he is resurrected still."
I am not really sure what you mean here. Perhaps it is the fact that
Jesus was resurrected with a SPIRIT body, not a physical one. Here is
Again, he had flesh and bone, remember? He said a spirit has none of those
things. He ate with them as well, why the pretense of total ignorance, why
the dismissal of the words of God recorded for mans benefit?
Why follow the churches tricks and "twist" the scriptures? These are
all good and simple Scriptures that show that Jesus cannot be God.
(even when he was in Heaven with God)
I am not trying to compete with you, but rather show you Bible truths
you can share with others. I wasn't born with this knowledge, but
through research and study have these Bible truths.
Post by RobertPost by James-- Revised Standard
1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also died for sins once for all, the
righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being
put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit;
Also notice John 20:15. Jesus appeared to Mary Magdalene, but she
didn't recognize him. Why? Because as a spirit being, he could
materialize a body so as to be visible. But it couldn't be the same
body that he had, because that one was given up as the ransom. Thus
Mary thought he was the gardener.
Why didn't Mary recognize him if he was raised in a fleshly body? It
couldn't be that, like spirit beings in the past, would materialize
fleshly bodies in order to mingle with humans.
Post by RobertHe was raised in a resurrected body, healed from the suffering he paid for on
your account.
In spite of your lies, you deceit, your denials of him as resurrected.
No JW denies the resurrection. The Bible is clear that GOD resurrected
him. But from your belief, Jesus must have resurrected himself. That
would be a good trick. Yes, God resurrected Jesus:
Acts 2:24 "Whom God hath raised up...."
Post by RobertAnd no
one resurrects a spirit.
Jesus was not a spirit being when he died. Let me back up a bit.
No one can get to Heaven with a blood and flesh body. Heaven only
takes spirit beings:
1 Co 15:50,
"I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the
kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable."
(NIV)
The "kingdom of God" here means Heaven, since that is the seat of
God's government. So in other words, no fleshly humans can get into
Heaven. Thus those of the 144,000 that are going to Heaven, are raised
with a SPIRIT body, just like Jesus was. Now they can all go to Heaven
to rule with Jesus over the earth: 1 Co 15:51,52,
"51. Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will
all be changed--
52. in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For
the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we
will be changed." (NIV)
The 'change' will be from a fleshly body to a spirit body. (like God
has)
Post by RobertJesus is willing to forgive you of all your sins, your disbelief, your
distortion of Scripture and who he is, so that you might live with eternal
life, and not eternal death and torture, which is where you are headed for at
this time.
Well, let's see the REAL Bible truths on this matter. Yes, anyone who
repents and changes their ways based on the Bible, can get eternal
life.
And of course, accepting Jesus as the ransom is also necessary. (1
John 2:17)
Your phrase "eternal death and torture" doesn't make sense to me. By
"torture" you are probably referring to hellfire. But if you are, then
one is not in death, but is living. To simplify:
If one continually does God's will, that person will live forever. If
not, they will go to eternal death; eternal non-existence. The same
place you were 'at' before you were born.
The Bible God is merciful. The churches' god is a sadist and a
monster. He inflicts pain on his children by way of burning. Notice:
"Burns are the most painful injuries people can have, says UW Burn
Center Director David Heimbach".
Your hellfire doctrine is right from the Devil himself. And he loves
that he has convinced so-called 'Christian' religions to believe such
lies about our Bible God of love. (1 John 4:8) Notice:
-- New King James
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some
will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and
doctrines of demons,
If hellfire is not a doctrine of the demons, nothing is.
Post by RobertPost by JamesSincerely, James
If you were sincere,
I always am. And I tell it like it is. I don't sugar-coat anything.
Post by Robertyou would remember the things spoken to you, and the
reasons for which they were spoken,
I can't control the aging process. It will be what it will be. I can
only hope and pray that some of these Bible truths will reach the
heart.
Post by Robertas well as you would show respect of
persons instead of acting like everyone you speak to is the same person.
?? Interesting comment, even though I don't understand it.
Post by RobertWhy the dishonesty? Is every woman your wife, and your wife every woman?
The Bible stopped polygamy a long time ago.
Sincerely, James
False information.
What to do about it.
4/11/2024
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