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An Evil And Adulterous Generation Seeks After Signs
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Christ Rose
2024-09-07 19:56:26 UTC
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Jesus said those who seek after signs
are an evil and adulterous generation
(Matthew 12:39, ESV). Charismatics say
those who don't seek them are an evil
generation.

"But he answered them, 'An evil and
adulterous generation seeks for a sign,
but no sign will be given to it except
the sign of the prophet Jonah.'"
(Matthew 12:39, ESV)

In this passage, Jesus rebukes the
Pharisees and others who demanded a sign
from Him to prove His authority. He
points out that seeking after signs as
proof of God’s presence or power is
characteristic of an evil and unfaithful
generation. The "sign of the prophet
Jonah" refers to His death, burial, and
resurrection, which would serve as the
ultimate validation of His messianic
role. Jesus condemns the desire for
miraculous signs as a means to verify
God’s work, highlighting that true faith
does not rely on visible signs but on
trust in God’s Word and promises.

By contrast, many in the Charismatic
movement today emphasize the need to
seek signs, wonders, and miracles as
proof of spiritual vitality or faith.
They often claim that those who do not
pursue or experience miraculous signs
are lacking in faith or are part of an
unbelieving generation. This viewpoint
directly opposes Jesus' warning that
those who seek after signs are "evil and
adulterous," placing undue emphasis on
visible miracles instead of relying on
the gospel and the work of the Holy
Spirit through the ordinary means of grace.

Charismatics often claim that a
generation without signs is spiritually
dead, yet Jesus Himself criticized those
who demanded signs as evidence of God's
presence. If miraculous signs were a
necessary or ongoing mark of spiritual
health, Jesus would have encouraged
their pursuit. Instead, He points to
faith in God's Word and the ultimate
"sign" of His death and resurrection.
Thus, the pursuit of signs as evidence
of faith contradicts Jesus' teaching and
places focus on external manifestations
rather than on the gospel and trust in
God's promises.

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Have you heard the good news Christ died
for our sins (†), and God raised Him
from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows
we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the
dead shows Christ's death satisfied
God's righteous demands against our sin
(Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2). This means
God can now remain just, while forgiving
you of your sins, and saving you from
eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and
resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you:
"For "everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved."" (Romans
10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation
jimmy alpha GeD
2024-09-07 22:39:19 UTC
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Jesus said those who seek after signs are an evil and adulterous
generation (Matthew 12:39, ESV).
Tell this to the Baptist church who wrongly baptize as a *sign* when the
Presbyterians know it's baptize and circumcision...
Jimmy Alpha GeD
Christ Rose
2024-09-07 23:09:34 UTC
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Jesus said those who seek after signs
are an evil and adulterous generation
(Matthew 12:39, ESV).
Tell this to the Baptist church who
wrongly baptize as a *sign* when the
Presbyterians know it's baptize and
circumcision...
Jimmy Alpha GeD
Baptism as a Sign of Faith, Not a Mere
External Rite

Baptism is not merely a "sign" in the
superficial sense of seeking external
evidence for salvation. It symbolizes a
believer's identification with the
death, burial, and resurrection of
Christ (Romans 6:3-4). The New Testament
teaches that baptism follows faith and
repentance. In Acts 2:38, Peter calls
people to "repent and be baptized,"
showing the connection between faith in
Christ and baptism. Faith precedes the
sign, as demonstrated in Acts 8:12-13,
where people first believe in the gospel
and are then baptized. This follows
Christ’s command in Matthew 28:19 to
baptize those who have become disciples.

No Prescribed Link Between Baptism and
Circumcision in the New Testament

The New Testament does not connect
circumcision and baptism as parallel
signs of covenant membership.
Circumcision was the sign of the
Abrahamic Covenant (Genesis 17:10-14),
but the New Testament clarifies that
circumcision was fulfilled in Christ and
no longer applies to New Covenant
believers (Galatians 5:6; Colossians
2:11). Baptism is a sign of one’s
identification with Christ, but it is
distinctly tied to faith in Christ and
is not equated with Old Testament
circumcision (Galatians 3:27). Instead,
Scripture emphasizes that believers,
through faith in Christ, are sons of
Abraham by promise (Galatians 3:7-9).

Seeking Signs vs. Obeying Christ’s Commands

The passage in Matthew 12:39, where
Jesus rebukes those who seek after
signs, addresses those who demand
miraculous signs as proof of His
authority, not those who obey Christ’s
command to baptize believers. Jesus
criticized the Pharisees for demanding
signs while refusing to believe the
clear evidence of His works and
teaching. The act of baptism is not an
example of seeking after signs, but
rather an act of obedience to Jesus’
explicit command (Matthew 28:19-20).
Baptism symbolizes an inward change that
has already taken place through faith
(Romans 6:3-4), making it an outward
profession of faith, not a request for a
miraculous sign.

In conclusion, Scripture does not
support the idea that Baptists are
seeking "signs" through baptism. Baptism
is a faithful response to Christ’s
command and represents the believer’s
new life in Him, not a continuation of
Old Testament circumcision. The link
between circumcision and baptism is not
mandated in Scripture, and the focus
should remain on the believer’s faith in
Christ and obedience to His commands.


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Adulterous Generation Seeks After
Signs". <vbikmo$1iu5p$***@dont-email.me>.
A noiseless patient Spider. 9/7/2024.
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died
for our sins (†), and God raised Him
from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows
we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the
dead shows Christ's death satisfied
God's righteous demands against our sin
(Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2). This means
God can now remain just, while forgiving
you of your sins, and saving you from
eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and
resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you:
"For "everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved."" (Romans
10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation
jimmy alpha GeD
2024-09-07 23:19:37 UTC
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Jesus said those who seek after signs are an evil and adulterous
generation (Matthew 12:39, ESV).
Tell this to the Baptist church who wrongly baptize as a *sign* when
the Presbyterians know it's baptize and circumcision...
Jimmy Alpha GeD
Baptism as a Sign of Faith, Not a Mere External Rite
Baptism is not merely a "sign" in the superficial sense of seeking
external evidence for salvation. It symbolizes a believer's
identification with the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ
(Romans 6:3-4). The New Testament teaches that baptism follows faith and
repentance. In Acts 2:38, Peter calls people to "repent and be
Makes one wonder what John the Baptist was up doesn't it?
Jimmy Alpha GeD
Christ Rose
2024-09-07 23:22:47 UTC
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evidences-that-signs-and-wonders.html
Jesus said those who seek after
signs are an evil and adulterous
generation (Matthew 12:39, ESV).
Tell this to the Baptist church who
wrongly baptize as a *sign* when the
Presbyterians know it's baptize and
circumcision...
Jimmy Alpha GeD
Baptism as a Sign of Faith, Not a Mere
External Rite
Baptism is not merely a "sign" in the
superficial sense of seeking external
evidence for salvation. It symbolizes
a believer's identification with the
death, burial, and resurrection of
Christ (Romans 6:3-4). The New
Testament teaches that baptism follows
faith and repentance. In Acts 2:38,
Peter calls people to "repent and be
Makes one wonder what John the Baptist
was up doesn't it?
Jimmy Alpha GeD
John the Baptist’s ministry and baptism
were unique in preparing the way for
Jesus. His baptism was a “baptism of
repentance for the forgiveness of sins”
(Mark 1:4), calling people to turn from
their sins in anticipation of the coming
Messiah. John’s baptism pointed forward
to the greater work Jesus would
accomplish through His death and
resurrection. John himself made clear
that his baptism differed from the
baptism Jesus would later institute: “I
baptize you with water for repentance,
but he who is coming after me… will
baptize you with the Holy Spirit and
fire” (Matthew 3:11).

John’s baptism was about repentance and
preparing for Christ, whereas Christian
baptism (after Christ’s resurrection)
identifies believers with Christ’s
finished work—His death, burial, and
resurrection (Romans 6:3-4). Thus, while
John’s baptism was transitional, it was
fully in line with God’s redemptive
plan, and it prepared the way for the
gospel that would soon be proclaimed.

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jimmy alpha GeD
<***@juno.com>."Re: An Evil And
Adulterous Generation Seeks After
Signs". <vbin29$1jeug$***@dont-email.me>.
A noiseless patient Spider. 9/7/2024.
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died
for our sins (†), and God raised Him
from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows
we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the
dead shows Christ's death satisfied
God's righteous demands against our sin
(Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2). This means
God can now remain just, while forgiving
you of your sins, and saving you from
eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and
resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you:
"For "everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved."" (Romans
10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation
jimmy alpha GeD
2024-09-07 23:44:07 UTC
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evidences-that-signs-and-wonders.html
Jesus said those who seek after signs are an evil and adulterous
generation (Matthew 12:39, ESV).
Tell this to the Baptist church who wrongly baptize as a *sign* when
the Presbyterians know it's baptize and circumcision...
Jimmy Alpha GeD
Baptism as a Sign of Faith, Not a Mere External Rite
Baptism is not merely a "sign" in the superficial sense of seeking
external evidence for salvation. It symbolizes a believer's
identification with the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ
(Romans 6:3-4). The New Testament teaches that baptism follows faith
and repentance. In Acts 2:38, Peter calls people to "repent and be
Makes one wonder what John the Baptist was up doesn't it?
Jimmy Alpha GeD
John the Baptist’s ministry and baptism were unique in preparing the way
for Jesus. His baptism was a “baptism of repentance for the forgiveness
of sins” (Mark 1:4), calling people to turn from their sins in
anticipation of the coming Messiah. John’s baptism pointed forward to
the greater work Jesus would accomplish through His death and
resurrection. John himself made clear that his baptism differed from the
baptism Jesus would later institute: “I baptize you with water for
repentance, but he who is coming after me… will baptize you with the
Holy Spirit and fire” (Matthew 3:11).
John’s baptism was about repentance and preparing for Christ, whereas
Christian baptism (after Christ’s resurrection) identifies believers
with Christ’s finished work—His death, burial, and resurrection (Romans
6:3-4). Thus, while John’s baptism was transitional, it was fully in
line with God’s redemptive plan, and it prepared the way for the gospel
that would soon be proclaimed.
So many signs, so hard to get all them old testament cleansing to line up!

Jimmy Alpha GeD
Christ Rose
2024-09-07 23:54:08 UTC
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On 9/7/2024 3:56 PM, Christ Rose
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evidences-that-signs-and-wonders.html
Jesus said those who seek after
signs are an evil and adulterous
generation (Matthew 12:39, ESV).
Tell this to the Baptist church who
wrongly baptize as a *sign* when
the Presbyterians know it's baptize
and circumcision...
Jimmy Alpha GeD
Baptism as a Sign of Faith, Not a
Mere External Rite
Baptism is not merely a "sign" in
the superficial sense of seeking
external evidence for salvation. It
symbolizes a believer's
identification with the death,
burial, and resurrection of Christ
(Romans 6:3-4). The New Testament
teaches that baptism follows faith
and repentance. In Acts 2:38, Peter
calls people to "repent and be
Makes one wonder what John the
Baptist was up doesn't it?
Jimmy Alpha GeD
John the Baptist’s ministry and
baptism were unique in preparing the
way for Jesus. His baptism was a
“baptism of repentance for the
forgiveness of sins” (Mark 1:4),
calling people to turn from their sins
in anticipation of the coming Messiah.
John’s baptism pointed forward to the
greater work Jesus would accomplish
through His death and resurrection.
John himself made clear that his
baptism differed from the baptism
Jesus would later institute: “I
baptize you with water for repentance,
but he who is coming after me… will
baptize you with the Holy Spirit and
fire” (Matthew 3:11).
John’s baptism was about repentance
and preparing for Christ, whereas
Christian baptism (after Christ’s
resurrection) identifies believers
with Christ’s finished work—His death,
burial, and resurrection (Romans
6:3-4). Thus, while John’s baptism was
transitional, it was fully in line
with God’s redemptive plan, and it
prepared the way for the gospel that
would soon be proclaimed.
So many signs, so hard to get all them
old testament cleansing to line up!
Jimmy Alpha GeD
The relationship between John's baptism
and Old Testament cleansing rituals
points to the fulfillment of God's
redemptive plan in Christ. While it may
seem challenging to align all the
symbolic signs from the Old Testament,
each one ultimately points forward to
the cleansing that Christ accomplishes
for His people.

Old Testament rituals like washing and
purification (Leviticus 14:8, Numbers
19:17-19, ESV) symbolized the need for
cleansing from sin. However, these were
shadows of the greater reality that
Jesus would bring through His atoning
work. John’s baptism of repentance was
not an end in itself but a preparatory
act, calling people to recognize their
sin and need for forgiveness, looking
ahead to Christ, who would provide
ultimate cleansing through His death and
resurrection.

Hebrews 9:9-10 explains that these old
rituals were “regulations for the body
imposed until the time of reformation”
(Hebrews 9:9-10, ESV). John’s baptism
marked the transition to that new order
in Christ, who fulfilled all the signs
and rituals by offering true spiritual
cleansing through the Holy Spirit (Titus
3:5, ESV). Thus, these signs from the
Old Testament are not hard to align when
understood in the light of Christ’s
work, which they all anticipated.


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jimmy alpha GeD
<***@juno.com>."Re: An Evil And
Adulterous Generation Seeks After
Signs". <vbioga$1jp4j$***@dont-email.me>.
A noiseless patient Spider. 9/7/2024.
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died
for our sins (†), and God raised Him
from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows
we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the
dead shows Christ's death satisfied
God's righteous demands against our sin
(Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2). This means
God can now remain just, while forgiving
you of your sins, and saving you from
eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and
resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you:
"For "everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved."" (Romans
10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation
jimmy alpha GeD
2024-09-08 00:37:04 UTC
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https:// christrose.news/2024/09/15-
evidences-that-signs-and-wonders.html
Jesus said those who seek after signs are an evil and adulterous
generation (Matthew 12:39, ESV).
Tell this to the Baptist church who wrongly baptize as a *sign*
when the Presbyterians know it's baptize and circumcision...
Jimmy Alpha GeD
Baptism as a Sign of Faith, Not a Mere External Rite
Baptism is not merely a "sign" in the superficial sense of seeking
external evidence for salvation. It symbolizes a believer's
identification with the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ
(Romans 6:3-4). The New Testament teaches that baptism follows
faith and repentance. In Acts 2:38, Peter calls people to "repent
and be
Makes one wonder what John the Baptist was up doesn't it?
Jimmy Alpha GeD
John the Baptist’s ministry and baptism were unique in preparing the
way for Jesus. His baptism was a “baptism of repentance for the
forgiveness of sins” (Mark 1:4), calling people to turn from their
sins in anticipation of the coming Messiah. John’s baptism pointed
forward to the greater work Jesus would accomplish through His death
and resurrection. John himself made clear that his baptism differed
from the baptism Jesus would later institute: “I baptize you with
water for repentance, but he who is coming after me… will baptize you
with the Holy Spirit and fire” (Matthew 3:11).
John’s baptism was about repentance and preparing for Christ, whereas
Christian baptism (after Christ’s resurrection) identifies believers
with Christ’s finished work—His death, burial, and resurrection
(Romans 6:3-4). Thus, while John’s baptism was transitional, it was
fully in line with God’s redemptive plan, and it prepared the way for
the gospel that would soon be proclaimed.
So many signs, so hard to get all them old testament cleansing to line up!
Jimmy Alpha GeD
The relationship between John's baptism and Old Testament cleansing
rituals points to the fulfillment of God's redemptive plan in Christ.
While it may seem challenging to align all the symbolic signs from the
Old Testament, each one ultimately points forward to the cleansing that
Christ accomplishes for His people.
Old Testament rituals like washing and purification (Leviticus 14:8,
Numbers 19:17-19, ESV) symbolized the need for cleansing from sin.
However, these were shadows of the greater reality that Jesus would
bring through His atoning work. John’s baptism of repentance was not an
end in itself but a preparatory act, calling people to recognize their
sin and need for forgiveness, looking ahead to Christ, who would provide
ultimate cleansing through His death and resurrection.
Hebrews 9:9-10 explains that these old rituals were “regulations for the
body imposed until the time of reformation” (Hebrews 9:9-10, ESV).
John’s baptism marked the transition to that new order in Christ, who
fulfilled all the signs and rituals by offering true spiritual cleansing
through the Holy Spirit (Titus 3:5, ESV). Thus, these signs from the Old
Testament are not hard to align when understood in the light of Christ’s
work, which they all anticipated.
Hence where does the Bible say water baptism was no long needed for
forgiveness of sins and the cleansing from unrighteousness? When you
show, you also point out baptism is but a *show sign* for the likes of
the Baptist church. But this is just rhetorical, or next it might be why
the 7th day Adventist are right/wrong and the two pound diet is the only
biblical way to eat!
Jimmy Alpha GeD
Christ Rose
2024-09-08 00:52:00 UTC
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On 9/7/2024 3:56 PM, Christ Rose
Post by Christ Rose
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evidences-that-signs-and-
wonders.html
Jesus said those who seek after
signs are an evil and adulterous
generation (Matthew 12:39, ESV).
Tell this to the Baptist church
who wrongly baptize as a *sign*
when the Presbyterians know it's
baptize and circumcision...
Jimmy Alpha GeD
Baptism as a Sign of Faith, Not a
Mere External Rite
Baptism is not merely a "sign" in
the superficial sense of seeking
external evidence for salvation.
It symbolizes a believer's
identification with the death,
burial, and resurrection of Christ
(Romans 6:3-4). The New Testament
teaches that baptism follows faith
and repentance. In Acts 2:38,
Peter calls people to "repent and be
Makes one wonder what John the
Baptist was up doesn't it?
Jimmy Alpha GeD
John the Baptist’s ministry and
baptism were unique in preparing the
way for Jesus. His baptism was a
“baptism of repentance for the
forgiveness of sins” (Mark 1:4),
calling people to turn from their
sins in anticipation of the coming
Messiah. John’s baptism pointed
forward to the greater work Jesus
would accomplish through His death
and resurrection. John himself made
clear that his baptism differed from
the baptism Jesus would later
institute: “I baptize you with water
for repentance, but he who is coming
after me… will baptize you with the
Holy Spirit and fire” (Matthew 3:11).
John’s baptism was about repentance
and preparing for Christ, whereas
Christian baptism (after Christ’s
resurrection) identifies believers
with Christ’s finished work—His
death, burial, and resurrection
(Romans 6:3-4). Thus, while John’s
baptism was transitional, it was
fully in line with God’s redemptive
plan, and it prepared the way for
the gospel that would soon be
proclaimed.
So many signs, so hard to get all
them old testament cleansing to line up!
Jimmy Alpha GeD
The relationship between John's
baptism and Old Testament cleansing
rituals points to the fulfillment of
God's redemptive plan in Christ. While
it may seem challenging to align all
the symbolic signs from the Old
Testament, each one ultimately points
forward to the cleansing that Christ
accomplishes for His people.
Old Testament rituals like washing and
purification (Leviticus 14:8, Numbers
19:17-19, ESV) symbolized the need for
cleansing from sin. However, these
were shadows of the greater reality
that Jesus would bring through His
atoning work. John’s baptism of
repentance was not an end in itself
but a preparatory act, calling people
to recognize their sin and need for
forgiveness, looking ahead to Christ,
who would provide ultimate cleansing
through His death and resurrection.
Hebrews 9:9-10 explains that these old
rituals were “regulations for the body
imposed until the time of
reformation” (Hebrews 9:9-10, ESV).
John’s baptism marked the transition
to that new order in Christ, who
fulfilled all the signs and rituals by
offering true spiritual cleansing
through the Holy Spirit (Titus 3:5,
ESV). Thus, these signs from the Old
Testament are not hard to align when
understood in the light of Christ’s
work, which they all anticipated.
Hence where does the Bible say water
baptism was no long needed for
forgiveness of sins and the cleansing
from unrighteousness?
"No longer needed"? Where did the Bible
ever establish that water baptism is
necessary for salvation?

The principle of clear reference helps
to safeguard in the process of
interpreting the Bible. When the Bible
clearly establishes a teaching in an
abundance of clear references, we allow
that understanding to guide our
interpretation of less clear passages.
We do not set aside what the Bible
clearly teaches in favor of a
contradictory interpretation of a verse
or two of Scripture.

Upwards of 150 passages of Scripture
proclaim that salvation is by faith,
without mentioning anything about water
baptism. We do not throw all that in the
trash, then find a couple verses where
it's possible to confuse water baptism
with Spirit baptism, to teach a
contradictory gospel of salvation
through human obedience and merit.
Post by jimmy alpha GeD
When you show, you
also point out baptism is but a *show
sign* for the likes of the Baptist
church. But this is just rhetorical, or
next it might be why the 7th day
Adventist are right/wrong and the two
pound diet is the only biblical way to eat!
Jimmy Alpha GeD
John the Baptist said that he baptized
with water, but that the one who comes
after Him (Jesus) would baptize with the
Holy Spirit and fire (Matthew 3:11; Luke
3:16). Spirit baptism is what saves (1
Corinthians 12:13), but that occurs
through faith in the gospel message
(Ephesians 1:13-14), not after one gets
into physical water (Ephesians 2:8-9;
Titus 3:5).

Also, the couple verses which seem to
associate baptism with salvation (Acts
2:38; Mark 16:16), may be accurately
understood to teach that we are baptized
because of the remission of sins offered
in Christ ("for" the remission of sins
can be understood as "because of the
remission of sins"). This interpretation
puts those couple verses in line with
the abundantly clear teaching that
salvation comes by grace, through faith
(Ephesians 2:8-9), not as a result of
human works (Titus 3:5; Romans 3:28).


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jimmy alpha GeD
<***@juno.com>."Re: An Evil And
Adulterous Generation Seeks After
Signs". <vbirjh$1kd5n$***@dont-email.me>.
A noiseless patient Spider. 9/7/2024.
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Have you heard the good news Christ died
for our sins (†), and God raised Him
from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows
we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the
dead shows Christ's death satisfied
God's righteous demands against our sin
(Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2). This means
God can now remain just, while forgiving
you of your sins, and saving you from
eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and
resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you:
"For "everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved."" (Romans
10:13, ESV)

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Robert
2024-09-08 03:05:34 UTC
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An Evil And Adulterous Generation Seeks After Signs
September 7, 2024 at 4:22:47 PM PDT
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Post by Christ Rose
https://christrose.news/2024/09/15-
evidences-that-signs-and-wonders.html
Jesus said those who seek after
signs are an evil and adulterous
generation (Matthew 12:39, ESV).
Tell this to the Baptist church who
wrongly baptize as a *sign* when the
Presbyterians know it's baptize and
circumcision...
Jimmy Alpha GeD
Baptism as a Sign of Faith, Not a Mere
External Rite
Baptism is not merely a "sign" in the
superficial sense of seeking external
evidence for salvation. It symbolizes
a believer's identification with the
death, burial, and resurrection of
Christ (Romans 6:3-4). The New
Testament teaches that baptism follows
faith and repentance. In Acts 2:38,
Peter calls people to "repent and be
Makes one wonder what John the Baptist
was up doesn't it?
Jimmy Alpha GeD
John the Baptist’s ministry and baptism
were unique in preparing the way for
Jesus. His baptism was a “baptism of
repentance for the forgiveness of sins”
(Mark 1:4),
Mrk 1:4 (KJV)

4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance
for the remission of sins.

matthew 3:11(KJV)

11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after
me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize
you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

Mat 3:1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of
Judaea,

Mat 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Repent, to turn about and walk opposite to what you were.

The Jew at that time was forgiven through their annual blood sacrifice for
sins. Cleansed yearly. Per the Law Covenant.

Robert
2024-09-08 02:57:12 UTC
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An Evil And Adulterous Generation Seeks After Signs
September 7, 2024 at 4:09:34 PM PDT
Post by jimmy alpha GeD
Post by Christ Rose
https://christrose.news/2024/09/15-
evidences-that-signs-and-wonders.html
Jesus said those who seek after signs
are an evil and adulterous generation
(Matthew 12:39, ESV).
Tell this to the Baptist church who
wrongly baptize as a *sign* when the
Presbyterians know it's baptize and
circumcision...
Jimmy Alpha GeD
Baptism as a Sign of Faith, Not a Mere
External Rite
Really, tell that to those babies who are baptized soon after birth.
See what their answer is.
Robert
2024-09-08 02:48:41 UTC
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Jesus said those who seek after signs
are an evil and adulterous generation
(Matthew 12:39, ESV). Charismatics say
those who don't seek them are an evil
generation.
"But he answered them, 'An evil and
adulterous generation seeks for a sign,
but no sign will be given to it except
the sign of the prophet Jonah.'"
(Matthew 12:39, ESV)
Snipped the malarky

Jesus was very specific about whom he was speaking about so hiding behind the
nym of Christ as a coward does not give him the right to make up a lie and
expound upon his personal dogma.

Here is the truth of the matter.

Mat 12:39-42 (KJV)

39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation
seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of
the prophet Jonas:

40For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall
the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

41The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall
condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a
greater than Jonas ishere.

42The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation,
and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to
hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.

The generation spoken of was that which was living at the time of Jesus
Christ.
The sign of Jonah was The death of Jesus the Christ who was killed, was in
the grave for three days and Nights and then was resurrected.
And this generation was clearly defined as the one who would be judged v42

So it is all fulfilled in that time period, an the Judgment of them will be
fulfilled at the white throne judgment.

Matthew 11:16 also clearly defines, “this generationâ€.

Blessed be the NAME OF THE LORD, KING OF Kings AND LORD OF Lords.
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