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The Judaising of the Christian Church
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The Judaising of the Christian Church.

The following statement from Endtime Ministries, which publishes
Despatch magazine quarterly, is the stand which this ministry has
defended and maintained for many years. The Hebrew Roots
Movement/Messianic has been gathering strength in these last days. The
influence of this HRM is quite beyond mere evangelism of Jewish
people. Both the HRM and the Messianic Jew groups have moved into an
influence over Christendom which is quite astonishing. We view this as
another instance of apostasy in the Age of Apostasy which marks the
end of the Church Age, and a religious trouble of the pre-Tribulation
perilous times in which we live. We will not delve into many
manuscripts and compare many quotes from different sources, this sort
of expose has been adequately handled before, by a number of
Christians. We will stick to the bare issues, so that all who read can
(hopefully) see the basic dangers and aims clearly.

The various shades of this apostasy do not make any of it acceptable
to Biblically sound Christians.
Some insist they are "good" Hebrew Roots ministries, opposed to the
"unsound" Hebrew Roots ministries' emphasis. As Christians who are
redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb, we rightly see only those who are
redeemed, and those who are not.
Those Jewish people who will not accept Christ Jesus as Saviour are
unsaved.
Those Jewish people who have accepted Christ as Saviour are
CHRISTIANS.
There is now no Jew or Gentile in Christ Jesus, we are now Christians
together. (Gal.3:28) .

All who are saved must come away from the old religious systems they
adhered to before receiving new life in Christ. Jesus Christ is NOT a
religious system which can be joined to another, even Judaism.
He is unique, He is the Lord God Who came to die for the sin of the
world. He is Christianity Personified.

This statement is not issued in order to denounce the Jewish converts
to Christianity. This is made to call to order those converts who
refuse to submit to proper Church Age order. We live in times when the
majority of the churches in Christendom have slipped away into New Age
pseudo Christianity. There are few Biblical fundamentalists who will
assess the situation, or challenge the stand of the Jewish converts.
This statement is made to call to order those Christians who will not
aid these converts by leading them deeper into Christ Jesus. It is
made in order to save young Christians from being led astray into
Judaising doctrines and teachings as they are presented by the HRM/
Messianic Jew Movements et al.

May God show us all Christ Jesus in all His glory afresh.

These are the main apostasies we see in ALL shades of the HRM, or ANY,
for that matter, who call themselves Messianic Jews/ Messianic
Ministries:

1. The call is going our loud and strong for the Christians to
recognise extra-biblical Jewish books.
These are supposed to give understanding of the Greek New Testament.
This is basically a refusal to submit to the closed Canon of
Scripture, preserved by the Lord in the Greek language. Whether
Christians are from Jewish backgrounds or not, we must all recognise
the authority of God's Word, as given to us in the Canon of Holy
Scripture. No other books can or should be added to this Canon.
No controversy can be entered into on this point, no other authority
can be accepted.
Jewish books do NOT enlighten Christians as to the "hidden meanings"
of Scripture.
The deep things of God are shown to surrendered Christians by the Holy
Spirit opening Scripture, not by Jewish books making the Bible plain!

2. The "Replacement Theology" controversy should be rightly
understood.
Jewish converts seem to say, with the support of some other
Christians, that they do not believe in "replacement theology". By
this they mean that the Church has not replaced Israel, God has still
got His Plan ahead for Israel and the Jews. This appears quite correct
on the surface, but a subtle twist has entered in. The Jewish converts
now believe that they are going to be used of God as individual Jews,
and Jewish ministries, right NOW! Before the Tribulation. This is not
Scripturally correct in any way. God is going to take up the NATION of
Israel in the Tribulation period of seven years. Israel will return to
the Lord God and mourn the One Whom they pierced. (Zech. 12:10).
(After this Church Age is finished). God has never said that
individual Jews, at the close of the Church Age, will come forth with
Jewish teaching which they will tack onto Christian teaching! These
are not Jews, anyway. Every Jew who was ever converted to Christ in
the whole two thousand years of the Church Age has become a CHRISTIAN
when he/she was saved. The converts from the Jewish religion must
humbly join the Christian Church, not make a new merger with us and
Judaism. With Jewish books and feasts and the rest of it. There is NO
Hebrew Roots Movement/Messianic Jew et al that is legitimate in the
Christian Church! There is NO separation of the Body of Christ into
Jew and Gentile.

The HRM and the Messianic Jew phenomena is not recognisable in Church
history as being legitimate in any way.
The idea has arisen that the Jewish converts are being taken up and
given a special ministry at the end of this Age. They are being used
because of Biblical prophecy about God taking up the Jews again? As we
have already discussed, this is not Scriptural at all! Instead of
being One in Christ with the rest of the Christian Church, they are
seeking a sort of "replacement theology" which is a back-to-front
version of the replacement theology we have know previously in Church
circles. This time, the Jewish emphasis, books and even would-be
rabbis, are replacing Christianity and the closed Canon of the New
Testament. Neither error is acceptable! The Church has not taken over
Israel in God's Plan, but neither can Judaism take over Christianity.
ISRAEL, as a nation, will again come into her own in the TRIBULATION,
after the Church is gone and the Church Age is closed. The HRM or
Messianic Jew concept is NOT just a kind of Jewish Convert
denomination. It is far more than that, it is the attempt by unsound
Judaisers to commit religious adultery!
See the book of Galatians for more about this in the early Church.

3. The leaders of this remarkable move by the Jewish Converts (JCs)
will not address the real issues. There has developed an unhealthy
refusal to debate, to be confronted, or to submit to reason from the
clear and plain Word of God. The Greek New Testament has been proposed
by the JCs as being not sound enough to be believed, as it is at
present. Those who insist that the NT in our hands is reliable, our
authority, and must be obeyed, are accused of being ignorant of the
original Hebrew texts! We are being seen as those who are just not
aware that the Reformers, who translated our KJV, were unsound and
rather ignorant??? There is really no clear way to appeal to these
JCs, as they are lost in the idea that they alone can find out the
real meaning of the Greek New Testament, by bringing forth the Hebrew
originals!
Christians who submit to such notions will find themselves deprived of
the most important thing they have - belief in the Bible which they
hold in their hands. They will be deprived of another most important
thing, religious freedom in Christ: the right to open and study the
Bible for themselves. They will then return to a sort of dark age,
where only the priests/rabbis can interpret Scripture FOR them. Why?
Because only the Jewish converts/rabbis can read and interpret the
Hebrew texts which THEY SAY are the authentic and correct New
Testament. Out goes the Greek NT you have at home in your KJV, in
comes the Judaic version with its priests/rabbis. It is on its way
people, there are already priests like Dick Reubens in action. Oh, and
let us not forget that anyone who opposes these stupendous moves are
labeled at once by the JCs as being, "anti-Semitic."
Is all this important? You better believe it is!!!

4. A mountain of material is coming forth by those who see the
desperate need to call the JCs and various Christian ministries to
order!
The issues are so complicated, the documentation is vast, the answers
given by the JCs are so wordy, that clear sense is hard to arrive at.
There are a number of smoke screens going up from the JCs' camps. We
need to examine these smoke screens carefully. One is that the
critiques which are coming forth on the HRM and others are presented
by ignorant people, who do know what they are talking about. Here the
JCs cite their superior knowledge of Jewish books, and claim that they
are NOT trying to replace the God preserved Greek NT with a Hebrew
version. This is indeed a smoke screen, sadly. Even a casual visit to
a HRM or Messianic Jew Website will show the reader that this is so.

5. A clear evaluation of what is happening at this time must be made,
FREE of two major stumbling blocks.
These are:
(a) AN EMOTIVE response to anything that even resembles criticism of
people who are Jewish.
If any Jew was in danger of imprisonment on the grounds of their race,
I and others I am sure, would personally defend them even at the risk
of our own lives. For instance, what happened in Hitler's Germany.
This issue of the HRM/Messianics has, however, nothing whatsoever to
do with insulting Jews, racism, or discrimination. It has to do with
the defense of Christianity and the Christian Scriptures. We are
facing what could well develop into an overthrow of the Christian
Reformation! This time by JCs who are determined to cast doubt on our
faith by challenging the very Scriptures we have been given by the
Lord.
They will not submit to the Greek New Testament, and are instructing
others to follow suit.

(b) There is a mass of material surrounding the debates on the HRM and
the JCs.
These may or may not contain material which has come from occult
sources, why this is so or not so could be debated forever. This
debate is in a way a side issue, and can be left for the moment. We
must, in my opinion, evaluate the reality of the HRM and JCs, FREE of
confusing issues about sources and documents. Get onto common ground,
and you will see clearly that we must not allow our Reformation
Scriptures or our Greek NT to be overthrown.

6. The whole "Hebrew Roots" concept is so unbalanced and unscriptural;
that it is clear to see that the JCs and some Christian ministries
lack CHRISTIAN teaching and study. In sounder times for the Church,
Godly preachers and pastors would have grounded the JCs in the Faith
of the Lord Jesus Christ. Today we are in midst of an unprecedented
apostasy! The JCs have few Godly men to instruct them, few who even
care if they remain caught between Judaism and Christianity! They
should be called upon by Godly men to press on toward the goal of
their high calling in CHRIST JESUS. The idea that we all must go back
to our "Hebrew Roots", in any way at all, is NOT Scriptural or
Christianity. THEY must go on to the Reality in Christ, the OT is a
mere shadow compared with the NT. We can't accept the notion that the
OT opens and enlightens the NT, and the old Jewish books
(non-Canonical) will give light to the NT. The truth is the opposite!
The NT opens the OT, and shows what the symbols and shadows really
meant. It is by far the greater revelation, and the DEEPER things of
God are found in the NT, not the OT. We are rooted, all of us, in
CHRIST, the OT is filled with the glory of the Living Son of God, and
the NT opens up His glory.

7. All sorts of false doctrines are already proceeding from the
HRM/Messianic Jew Ministries and JCs. No wonder - they are not rooted
in Christ Jesus.

"As ye have received Christ Jesus as Lord, so walk ye in him.
ROOTED and built up in HIM, and stablished in the faith,
as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving."
(Colossians 2:6,7).
Read what Paul had to say about Judaism. In Philippians 3:1-10. He
counts the Judaic system he has left behind now he is a Christian as
being "but dung" compared to Christ:
"But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
Yea, doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of
the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the
loss of all things (compare verses 1-6),
and do count them but dung that I may win Christ.
...That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection,
and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his
death."
The JCs under discussion are not thrilling with wonder because of the
Presence of Christ in their lives. They are falling backwards into the
"dung" of the old, obsolete system!
Help them Christians, they know not what they do. They need prayer and
instruction.
We have seen doctrines from the JCs which would make any fundamental
believer stand aghast!
Yet, if those presenting unsound doctrines and beliefs are ex-Jews,
then they seem to be sacrosanct!
* We dare not say they are preaching against the Trinity;
* they are looking for "hidden" meaning in Biblical revelation just
like Gnostics do;
* we are not allowed to say they should accept sound fundamental
precepts, i.e. there is ONE interpretation, many applications; and
* we must not mention any leanings toward Unitarianism or British
Israelism!
* We cannot insist that they must accept sound doctrines, or ordinary
CHRISTIAN statements of faith - or anything else it seems.
If we do so, we have touched the belly of the sacred cow, and we face
screams of the "anti-semitic" variety. Christians cry "racism" and
weep tears about the persecution being perpetrated against Jewish
brethren!
This is NOT GOOD ENOUGH, brethren and sisters in the Lord. It is not
good enough for the Lord we serve, or for the Jews He has shed His
Blood for. SNAP OUT OF IT! This is SERIOUS!

Faith Alone (In Christ Jesus);
Grace Alone (Through His shed Blood);
Christ Alone (No Jewish Traditions).
8. Where to from here?
You, the reader, have the choices before you. Defend the Faith of the
Lord Jesus Christ, help the JCs sort themselves out, OR stay on the
fence! Another choice is unimaginable - stand and cry "anti-semitism"
and let the possible over-thrown of the `Reformation' proceed, and
help establish rabbis for the next phase of this astonishing move! Do
so, and you deny Christ.
LUTHER said this in his day, more than four hundred years ago:

"If I profess with the loudest voice and clearest exposition every
part of the truth of God except precisely that little point which the
world and the devil are at the moment attacking, then I am not
confessing Christ, however boldly I may be professing Him. Where the
battle rages, there the loyalty of the soldier is proved; and to be
steady on all battlefields besides is merely flight and disgrace if he
flinches at that point."



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P.S. MERCY AND TRUTH ARE INSEPARABLE!
The exposing of the TRUTH must always be accompanied by MERCY!
The Christian way of life is a way of godliness, and God is filled
with mercy as well as truth.
The false doctrines and counterfeits which have been taken on board by
people and ministries may well be disasterous spiritually. But we are
still to have mercy upon those who have been deceived. Especially if
those affected are basically sound doctrinally in most areas. We must
always show courtesy, gentleness and compassion - or we are NOTHING!

"Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about them about thy
neck;
write them upon the table of thine heart:
So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God
and man."
(Proverbs 3:3,4).
"Not unto us, O Lord, not unto us, but unto thy name give glory, for
thy mercy,
and for thy truth's sake." (Psalm 115:1).
"He hath shown thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord
require of thee,
but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God."
(Micah 6:8).
"Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful." (Luke
6:36).

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2004-08-06 15:06:32 UTC
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THE ATTACK
By Tom Lamb, with Addendum by Tim Aho


Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn
from the truth.
Titus 1:14.
Intro:
The Old testament was written in Hebrew for the chosen Jewish nation.
The New Testament was written in Greek where the partition between
Jew's and Gentiles was broken down so we could all become one new man
in Christ.

This following two part article is written in response to the many
people who have e-mailed me trying to persuade myself over to the
Hebrew Roots Camp. Generally I have found these people to be varied in
their opinions in regards to doctrine; some moderate (still believing
in the Trinity) and others in complete heresy (omitting the name Jesus
Christ from their faith). The majority of these sincere people have
used the gentle diplomatic approach in their argument to win us
across, where a few others have been aggressive, and down-right rude
and even abusive, when we wouldn't skip to their tune. On all
occasions have I found them very persistent, rabbinic centred, and
usually attacking the sacred name of our Lord Jesus Christ one way or
another.

Update 7 is a simplified way of exposing their Hebrew Roots Movement
and how believers have been seduced away from the New Testament
written in Greek (the universal language of the day) and
providentially translated into English (the universal language for the
closing hours), with the purpose of restoring them back to the faith
which was once delivered unto the saints. This is followed-up by
Update 8, which is more of an in-depth study exposing the sources and
occultic connections to this Movement, which is no doubt part of the
Great Falling Away delusion of the final hour, even more subtle and
dangerous than the false Signs and Wonders Movement, the Word of Faith
Movement, and Dominion Theology.

Unlike it's Gentile counterpart the Alexandrian School of Thought,
which throws doubt on finding the right source of the Greek, giving
it's Scholars the final authority in interpretation, the H.R. Movement
has been successful in discrediting the Greek New Testament and
replacing it with the so-called Hebrew / Aramaic originals. This
places the final authority in regards to interpreting scripture in the
hands of it's rabbinic teachers. Once achieved, then the sacred name
of our Lord Jesus Christ comes under scrutiny.




Pure language for a pure name:
During the last hours of these last days (when English would be the
universal language of the world) the Lord in His manifold wisdom has
chosen this language to represent His Word, to be written as the
plain, simple, uncloistered and easily comprehended words of His
gospel to the world at all levels of class and culture. God foresaw
this language would be the 'world language' in the closing hours,
presenting His pure, preserved and inerrant autograph with the message
... whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Zep. 3:9. For then will I turn to the people a pure language
(Elizabethan period English), that they may all call upon the name of
the LORD, to serve him with one consent.

God is not a God of confusion; He makes Himself known by one name
through His revealed word, namely the Holy Bible. As He has placed His
word above all His name, then the one who would be audacious enough to
replace or change His word would be the one who would be audacious as
to replace or change His name. This is presently occurring in
Christendom, as the Great Falling Away (from His word) process
intensifies, and mankind is conditioned to receive another name ...
the name of the False Christ of the New Age:

John 5:43. I (Jesus) am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me
not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.


His Name under siege:
Is. 9:16. For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they
that are led of them are destroyed.

The most subtle attack of this process is coming through the Hebrew
Roots Movement. The New Age goddess, namely Gaia, is too obvious for
the fundamental Christian to be deceived. If (for argument sake) the
Holy Bible is only a rehash of the originals (as the "hath God said
school" declares), and not an inspired translation from the preserved
Greek 'Received Text' (where the Authorized Bible derived from), then
whoever is instigating the notion of "getting back to the Hebrew
roots", and can impart this notion to others, creates a ready- made
audience to present the "originals" in his own light, therefore making
himself the Higher Critic ...

"the Greek is a perversion of the originals ..." "better and more
reliable manuscripts say ..." "better knowledge has come to light ..."
"according to extra biblical commentary ..." "the Hebrew root word for
this passage is ..." And thus and so ...

... placing the Higher Critic above your God given English version,
and making him an instrument of "divine revelation" instead of the
Holy Spirit who leads us into all truth.

Therefore, more digging is required as things get more complicated,
and more credentialed professionals are necessary to unravel the
language and cultural barriers, along with the secrets hidden in the
past.

It starts off very innocently, as the gospel is presented in it's true
context to be of relevance to the Jewish people (as it is for all
people) and win them to Christ; the following verse fitting a sincere
motive:

1 Cor. 9:20. And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain
the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I
might gain them that are under the law ...

So the Greek title (translated to English) JESUS, translates back to
the Hebrew title 'Yashua' and is presented to relate to the Hebrew
speaking people. Christ becomes the Messiah they are hoping for as 'Ha
Mashiach' in Hebrew.

For this we can rejoice and praise God for, as many Jewish people have
found, or are finding Messiah Jesus as Saviour through this
revelation, as many other nationalities are finding Him through the
Bible being translated into their language.

However, any truth taken to extreme ends in error ... as Hebrew in
many circles has been promoted as the favoured language above the
language of the complete 1611 inspired translation, and given supreme
importance as justified through the Old Testament being originally
written in Hebrew, and the Jewish people being the original chosen
people of God. Therefore, everything Jewish is being seen as being of
God, and importance is placed on the Torah (the Jewish book of laws)
on a par with the New Testament, as Gentile believers find themselves
fallen prey to this type of reasoning as the Galatians were at the
beginning of the New Testament era.

Paul (a Jewish believer from the strictive of the Jewish sects) made
it clear ... you can't have one and the other, as the new has
cancelled out the old:

Gal. 1:6-7. I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called
you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not
another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the
gospel of Christ.

Paul clarified it was the Jewish religion he was saved from, that was
responsible for this falling away in his day, and was warning the
Gentile Galatian Believers not to be entangled with it:

Gal. 1: 13-14 . For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in
the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of
God, and wasted it: And profited in the Jews' religion above many my
equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the
traditions of my fathers.

Read Acts 15: 5-24 and you will see the church made a distinction
between the old and the new with this final conclusion:

Acts 15:24. Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out
from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying,
Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such
commandment:

Therefore, the Name Jesus (derived from Joshua - Jehovah saves) as
Christ, the English name taken from the Greek (as the New Testament
was written in Greek, the universal language of its day) is the
hallowed name of God coming in the flesh. And is exalted as the Name
above every other name, the only name whereby man can be saved, as the
true and relevant name today ... that whosoever shall call upon this
Name, shall find salvation and favour with his Maker.

Yes!! ... Jesus is His name!


Which name:
Mal. 1:11. For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of
the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place
incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my
name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts.

Whose name do we call out to when we want to be saved? In whose name
are we sent? In whose name do we pray, preach, teach, and exercise
divine authority?

Is it ... Jeshua, Yeshua, Yeshuah, Yehshua, Yehshuah, YESHUA, YESHUAH,
YEHSHUA, YEHSHUAH, Yeshouah, Y'shua, Y'shuah, Jeshu, Yeshu, Yehoshua,
Yehoshuah, YHVHShua, YHVHShuah, Yhvhshua, Yhwhshua, YHWHShua,
YHWHShuah, Yhvhshuah, Yhwhshuah, Yahvehshua, Yahwehshua, Yahvehshuah,
Yahwehshuah, Jahshua, Jahshuah, Jashua, Jashuah, Jahoshua, Jahoshuah,
Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Yashua, Yashuah, Yahshua, Yahshuah, YAHSHUA,
YAHSHUAH, YASHUA, YASHUAH, Yahushua, Yahushuah, Yahoshua, Yahoshuah,
Yaohushua, YAOHUSHUA, Yaohushuah, Iahoshua, Iahoshuah, Iahushua, or
Iahushuah?

Matt. 28: 18-19. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power
is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach
all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son,
and of the Holy Ghost ...

What name have believers been commanded to teach and baptize in? ...
The same name of the Person whom all power in heaven and earth was
given to ... a Jewish man named JESUS! In the name of the Father, and
of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is the name of Jesus which is
Christ, God's anointed one who came in the flesh.

Proof? ... Then go to the Book of Acts (where the words of Jesus were
being demonstrated by the apostles and early church) and you will see
every baptism of the true Way was done in the name of Jesus, as was
the preaching, teaching, deliverance's, healings and miracles.

Deut. 28:10. And all people of the earth shall see that thou art
called by the name of the LORD; and they shall be afraid of thee.

Still not convinced!? ... Then tell me why the name presented and
exalted in the Authorized 1611 English bible is the most degraded and
spat upon name around the world, uttered as a malignant byword by
millions, over and over again, every single day? Why don't you hear
the name of another god being continually down graded? Why is not the
name Yah being cursed, consciously or unconsciously, by the worlds
masses?

Because Jesus' name is the most precious name in heaven and earth, and
should be treasured above all names, as the only name behind the
Person who rendered Satan powerless and broke the chains of sin and
death. It is the only name where life and death hang in the balances
between whether we deny Him or confess Him. It is the only name where
freedom or bondage is in the power of praising His Name or cursing it.

Matt. 1:21. And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his
name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

His name is JESUS!




The Cult's pagan connection:
Jer. 23:27. Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their
dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers
have forgotten my name for Baal.

If God's word has been lost then it can be justified that His Name has
been lost also. And it would take so-called knowledgeable men who
could put us right, so the notion goes.

However, because God has given us His book, with every scripture given
by Divine inspiration, we only need to go to His Book to find the Name
which is above every other name, the only name by which men can be
saved. The cult of Yah have got it wrong because it's roots are not
Jewish at all in the scriptural sense, but pagan, and behind the
scenes it's mystics have infiltrated Christendom (as it did with
Jewish teachings through the Cabbala) leading people astray.

Jude 1:4. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before
of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace
of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our
Lord Jesus Christ.

Jehovah becomes Yahweh. Jesus becomes Yashua. Hence, God is now G-d
being referred to as Yah or Jah. This suits the mystics, the secret
societies, the covens, along with the ecumenicals and new agers.

The Yah / Jah has become a trendy word through the 80's and 90's from
the "Star Wars" craze, to the Rastifarrians, to off-beat Christian
sects.

One of these psuedo-Christian HRM website states (both accents mine):


We believe that:
Yahweh is God and the only real one,
Yahshua is His son and that
Yahshua is our Saviour and salvation, so there is no oneness or
trinity.
The real names are Yahweh and Yahshua.
There is no so called "Church" or one group, but it is a organism in
the hearts of people.
We observe the weekly Sabbath from sunset till sunset and also the
Spring and Fall feast, not the "Worldly" feasts.
A new year starts with the first visible new moon, on or after the
spring equinox.
By obeying any law we will not be "saved", but we have to obey the
laws.
We do not eat unclean food and
believe in the works of the Holy Spirit.
The mark of the beast is the sunday, not a barcode on the forehead or
a subcutaneous
microchip!
But mainly we try to love and help each other and like to do that to
people, what we also like to experience.
Please don't forget: wisdom is from Yahweh, misunderstanding from men!

Yeshua / Yashua should point to Jesus, not replace Him nor His name.




Let's look at some proof in regards to "Yah's" roots:
Masons commonly refer to their deity as the "Great Architect of the
Universe" (G.A.O.T.U.) or the Supreme Being. God is further described
as Grand Artificer, Grand Master of the Grand Lodge Above, Jehovah,
Allah, Buddha, Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, or Great Geometer. (The "G" in
the Masonic ring can refer to God; it can also refer to geometry.)
Masons claim that the actual name for God has been lost (cf. Jn.
14:8,9; Phil. 2:9-11; 1 Jn. 5:20) [HJB] .

The Apostle John warned that those who deny that Jesus is the only
Christ and that He came once and for all in the flesh have embraced
the spirit of Antichrist (1 Jn 4:1-3).

Every true Christian, in the strictest Masonic view, is therefore,
necessarily hated and despised as a divisive, sectarian believer.
(Source: 1/95, Flashpoint. )

He who believes Jesus alone is classed a sectarianist. Others who are
not adamant in this view will largely escape persecution.

Jim Shaw, a former 33 Mason, says that Masonry is not based on the
Bible (referred to as "The Great Light"), but on the Kabala (Cabala),
a medieval book of mysticism and magic. Masonic authority Henry Wilson
Coil also admits that the Kabala's teachings can be seen in some of
the mystical and philosophical degrees of Masonry. Albert Pike (see
next), the man responsible for virtually rewriting the Scottish Rite
degrees into their present form, said that the Masonic "search after
light" leads directly back to the Kabala, the ultimate source of
Masonic beliefs (Morals and Dogma ). [HJB]

And in very deed for this cause have I raised thee up, for to shew in
thee my power; and that my name may be declared throughout all the
earth. Ex 9:16.

The corrupt Hebraic source promotes / purveys the name of God as Yah
(Jah / Jehovah) which fits the Masonic god, whereas the Aramaic source
purveys God as El Shaddai (woman's breast / life nourisher) fitting
the New Age mixed gender god.

Which God do we serve?


Summary:
The Old Testament was written in Hebrew for the Hebrew people, the
chosen people of God, to declare His wonders to the world. The New
Testament was written in Greek bringing the Kingdom of God to the
whole Greek speaking Gentile world, as well as the Jews, that we might
all become one people under God.

The partition has been taken down dividing the Hebraic Old Testament
and the Greek New Testament: Meaning ... the whole bible (both the old
and new) has been translated into English for the English speaking
world (both Jew and Gentile) at the threshold of Jesus' return, and as
a base been re-translated into other ethnic tongues for non-English
speaking people.

In the Old Testament the Lord's name was JEHOVAH (as presented in
today's written word), the God of the Jews. In the New Testament the
name of the Lord is JESUS, God coming in the flesh for both the Jew
and the Gentile, that we might all become one people under God.


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In Update 8 we will be responding to the following type of reasoning
quoted in a report compiled by Barb Aho ...

Watch Unto Prayer ***@msn.com http://watch.pair.com/pray.html :

"In summation, since existing New Testament manuscripts are Greek,
written to express Hebraic concepts, why be limited to the Greek or
English translations when we have Hebrew, now a living language not
very different than it was 2000 years ago. The New Testament is in the
pattern of the Jewish traditional work of Torah, Mishnah, Haggadah,
Halakah, Talmud and Midrash, but inspired by God Himself for the
common people. These Hebraic works as well as the Inspired Scriptures
were quoted from by Jesus and all the writers of the New Testament.
But even now, to have full comprehension, we must read the scriptures
in the proper Hebraic context." "Most all of the Judaic writings have
been preserved for us and now translated into proper English directly
from the Hebrew, as well as explained in true Hebraic manner.
Therefore, why not go to this material and study ourselves approved
before God with full context and understanding?"

Is. 9:16. For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they
that are led of them are destroyed.



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A Hebraic Roots Expos`e
Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn
from the truth. Titus 1:14

A follow-up on Update 7... The Attack.
Dear Tom,

The following is a write-up I have done which proves that the sources
used by the Hebrew Roots Movement (Talmud, Mishnah, Midrash, etc.)
evolved into and purvey the same occult teachings as the
Kabbalah/Zohar. The Appendix to this report, provided by Vicky Dillen,
adds further documentation showing that these sources are in total
opposition to Scripture. These are facts of which every follower of
the Hebrew Roots view of Christianity should be apprised, but all seem
to be totally unaware.

I am so glad you are addressing this subject and will be glad to share
any information I have in the future. Let us pray that the Holy Spirit
will reveal to disciples of the H.R. ministries the truths of
Christian liberty expressed in the book of Galatians and lead them out
of this movement, which otherwise will eventually deliver them into
the dreadful bondage of the Noahide Laws and the global
Kabbalist/Freemasonic New World Order.

May God bless you, Barb Aho

Watch Unto Prayer
***@msn.com
http://watch.pair.com/pray.html


THE HEBRAIC ROOTS MOVEMENT
Peter Michas' essay "Is The New Testament Hebrew/Aramaic or Greek?"
maintains that the original Gospels were written in Hebrew and/or
Aramaic, translated into Greek and are therefore not reliable,
especially having passed through successive translations to the
English New Testament used by English speaking Christians today. The
solution to this problem, according to Michas, is to turn to the O.T.
and Jewish traditions to determine the truth of the New Testament.
Peter Michas advocates reliance upon the Jewish Mishnah, Haggadah,
Halakah, Talmud and Midrash, along with the Torah (first five books of
the Old Testament), as better commentaries on New Testament doctrine
than the Greek and English New Testaments themselves, which he claims
are inferior translations of the presumed Hebrew/Aramaic originals:

Is The New Testament Hebrew/Aramaic or Greek?
http://www.ezl.com/~peterm/HB.GK.RF.HTML

"In summation, since existing New Testament manuscripts are Greek,
written to express Hebraic concepts, why be limited to the Greek or
English translations when we have Hebrew, now a living language not
very different than it was 2000 years ago. The New Testament is in the
pattern of the Jewish traditional work of Torah, Mishnah, Haggadah,
Halakah, Talmud and Midrash, but inspired by God Himself for the
common people. These Hebraic works as well as the Inspired Scriptures
were quoted from by Jesus and all the writers of the New Testament.
But even now, to have full comprehension, we must read the scriptures
in the proper Hebraic context.

"Most all of the Judaic writings have been preserved for us and now
translated into proper English directly from the Hebrew, as well as
explained in true Hebraic manner. Therefore, why not go to this
material and study ourselves approved before God with full context and
understanding?"


JEWISH OR OCCULT SOURCES?
Is the New Testament in the pattern of the Mishnah, Haggadah, Halakah,
Talmud and Midrash? "Jewish traditional work" refers to the oral
traditions that were passed through generations as opposed to the
written Torah, the first five books of the Old Testament. The
University of Calgary website of Hebrew scholar, Eliezer Segal, Ph.D.,
indicates that these oral traditions originated in ancient Babylon and
were handed through successive generations until they were compiled in
the Kabbalah during the third to twelfth centuries A.D. or C.E., the
Common Era. Some information about the Mishnah, Haggadah, Halakah,
Talmud and Midrash, may be obtained from Dr. Segal's website, which is
cited in this report along with other authoritative sources, to give
the reader an overview of the origins, history and nature of these
sources.

[NOTE: Dr. Segal received his M.A. and Ph.D. in the Talmud Dept. at
Hebrew University. He is the recipient of several scholarships and
grants in Talmud and Babylonian Midrash studies, has taught the
Talmud, Mishnah, Midrash and Rabbinics, published books and articles
on the Babylonian Talmud, Midrash, and Haggadah. Dr. Segal is a
lecturer on "Jewish Mysticism," "Halakha, Holidays and History", "On
Completing the Babylonian Talmud," "Ecology and the Environment:
Halacha and Reality," "Burned, Banned and Best Seller: The Talmud,"
"Joseph and Osiris," and other subjects. He has participated in a
number of interfaith dialogues. On his site is also found the full
explanation of The Ten Sefirot of the Kabbalah:
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/ ]


THE MISHNAH
The Mishnah is the early Talmud or the forerunner of the Talmud. To
the Mishnah the rabbis later added the Gemara (rabbinical
commentaries). Together these comprise the Talmud. Scholars will claim
that the Talmud is partly a collection of oral traditions given by
Moses which had not yet been written down in Jesus' time. However,
Christ condemned the traditions of the Mishnah (early Talmud) and the
Scribes and Pharisees who taught it, because their oral traditions
contradicted the teachings of Scripture. The dire warning of Jesus
Christ regarding the traditions of men which make null and void the
Word of God (Mark 7:1-13) seems to be a reference to the Mishnah,
which was later compiled (c. 200 A.D.) by Rabbi Judah ben Simeon, who
presided over Judaism's supreme judiciary and legislative body, the
Sanhedrin.

http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/TalmudMap/Mishnah.html#Term

"Mishnah can refer in a general way to the full tradition of the Oral
Torah, as formulated by the Rabbis in the first centuries of the
Common Era. These traditions could not be written down, but had to be
transmitted and learned by word of mouth. This restriction was
observed quite scrupulously throughout the eras of the Mishnah and
Talmud. "The Jewish sages whose statements are quoted in the Mishnah
are known as Tanna'im* (singular: 'Tanna'), derived from the Aramaic
root related to the Hebrew 'ShNH.' The era in which the Mishnah was
developed is therefore referred to as the 'Tanna'itic' era."

*IMPORTANT NOTE ON THE TANNA'IM

The Jewish sages referred to as Tanna'im are, in fact, the high
initiates of Kabbalah. THE THEOSOPHICAL GLOSSARY of Mme. H.P.
Blavatsky shows the correlation between Tanaim and Kabbalah:

"TANAIM (Heb.). Jewish Initiates, very learned Kabbalists in ancient
times. The Talmud contains sundry legends about them and gives the
chief names of them."
"KABALIST. >From Q B L H, Kabalah, an unwritten or oral tradition. The
kabalist is a student of 'secret science,' one who interprets hidden
meaning of the Scriptures with the help of the symbolical Kabala, and
explains the real one by these means. The TANAIM were the first
kabalists among the Jews; they appeared at Jerusalem about the
beginning of the third century before the Christian Era... This secret
doctrine is identical with that of the Chaldeans, and includes at the
same time much of the Persian wisdom, or 'magic'." (caps added)

"KABALAH (Heb.) The hidden wisdom of the Hebrew Rabbis of the middle
ages derived from the secret doctrines concerning divine things and
cosmogony, which were combined into a theology after the time of the
captivity of the Jews in Babylon. All the works that fall under the
esoteric category are termed Kabbalistic..."

There appears to be disagreement as to when the oral traditions took
on a written form. However, Dr. Segal confirms that the Mishnah was
developed and disseminated from a fixed body of teaching that
originated in ancient Babylon (Chaldea):

"Although there are traditions in the Mishnah that claim to go back to
the fifth century B.C.E. (the 'Great Assembly'; cf. Nehemiah 8-10), as
well as a few additions from as late as the mid-third century, the
main body of the Mishnah consists of teachings attributed to
authorites from about the middle of the first century, through to the
second decade of the third century C.E. This time period witnessed
some major historical turning-points for the Jewish nation, such as
the destruction of the Second Jerusalem Temple in 70, and the
catastrophic failure of the revolt against Rome under the leadership
of Simeon bar Kokhba (or: bar Kuziba) in 135. Because the Mishnah is a
technical work of religious law, these momentous historical events
find almost no explicit mention in the Mishnah, even though the very
composition of the Mishnah is often viewed as a response to those very
events...

"All ancient sources are in agreement that the Mishnah was compiled by
Rabbi Judah the 'Prince,' before his death around 217 C.E. On the
author see below. It should be emphasized that--contrary to a view
that appears in many histories and introductions, and which is based
on the writings of medieval Spanish Jewish authorities [ed: see
Sephardic Jews below] --this redaction did not involve writing down
the traditions, but merely the determining and organizing of a fixed
text that was subsequently disseminated by memory. It is clear from
the internal evidence of the Talmud that the teachings of the Rabbis
continued to be studied orally throughout the Talmudic era, and this
continued to be the practice in the Babylonian academies well into the
middle ages...

"Rabbi Judah ben Simeon bore the Hebrew title of 'Nasi,' signifying
the position of Patriarch, the official political representative of
the Jewish people. From an internal Jewish perspective, the Nasi
presided over Judaism's supreme judiciary and legislative body, the
Sanhedrin. The title had become a hereditary one, almost without
interruption, since the days of the revered Hillel the Elder in the
first century B.C.E."


THE MISHNAH TORAH
The Jews of Spain who followed Babylonian rather than Palestinian
Jewish traditions were exiled to Sepharad, from whence they have been
credited with disseminating Cabalism throughout Europe. [See Encarta
and Grolier's Encyclopedia entries on the Sephardim below] Amongst the
most important Jewish thinkers from the Sephardic tradition was Moses
Maimonides:

Continuation of Eliezer Segal, Ph.D., U. of Calgary commentary:
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/TalmudMap/Maimonides.html

"[Moses Maimonides] lived from 1138 to 1204. He spent ten full years
compiling the Mishneh Torah, which he continued to revise throughout
his lifetime. Moses Maimonides (Rabbi Moshe ben Maimon, usually
referred to in Hebrew by the acronym "RaMBa"M) was one of the towering
figures in medieval intellectual and religious life. In addition to
his law code, he excelled in the fields of philosophy, science,
medicine, exegesis and communal leadership. Though born in Spain, in
his youth his family fled religious persecution, settling in Egypt...

"Maimonides' Mishneh Torah was intended to be a summary of the entire
body of Jewish religious law... It opens with a section on systematic
philosophical theology, derived largely from Aristotelian science and
metaphysics, which it regards as the most important component of
Jewish law. Most other Jewish codes avoided mixing creed and religious
law; and Maimonides' interpretation of Jewish religion in terms of
Greek ideas aroused much opposition."

In Chapter 10 of the English Translation, Maimonides' Mishnah Torah
curses Jesus Christ:

"It is a mitzvah [religious duty; ARC], however, to eradicate Jewish
traitors, minnim, and apikorsim, and to cause them to descend to the
pit of destruction, since they cause difficulty to the Jews and sway
the people away from God, as did Jesus of Nazareth and his students,
and Tzadok, Baithos, and their students. May the name of the wicked
rot." (p. 184)


THE TALMUD
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/TalmudMap/Gemara.html

The Babylonian Talmud is a commentary on the Mishnah composed by
Babylonian Jewish sages (Ravs) from the early third to the sixth
century. A Jewish sage who was from Babylonia would have been
addressed by the title, 'Rav,' while one who lived in Israel would
have been called 'Rabbi.' One portion of the Talmud dealt with
folklore, especially magical and medical recipes. The following
statement, from TORAH TO KABBALAH by R.C. Musaph-Andriesse, on the
primacy of the Babylonian Talmud (T.B.) is representative of Jewish
scholarship:

"There are two editions of the Talmud, the Jerusalem Talmud and the
Babylonian Talmud. Of these two, the Babylonian Talmud is
authoritative for Orthodox Judaism, which regards it as divinely
inspired... The superiority of the Babylonian Talmud is so great, that
when people now talk about the Talmud, they always mean the Babylonian
Talmud. The authority of the Babylonian Talmud is also greater than
that of the Jerusalem Talmud. In cases of doubt the former is
decisive." (pg. 40, New York, Oxford University, Press, 1982)

Quoting Joseph Barclay in SECRET SOCITIES & SUBVERSIVE MOVEMENTS,
Nesta Webster has exposed the virulent anti-Christ teachings of the
Talmud:

"So also it was the Rabbis who, after hiding from the people the
meaning of the sacred tradition at the moment of its fulfillment,
afterwards poisoned that same stream for future generations.
Abominable calumnies on Christ and Christianity are found not only in
the Cabala but in the earlier editions of the Talmud. In these, says
Barclay -- "Our Lord and Saviour is 'that's one', 'such an one', 'a
fool', 'the leper,' 'The deceiver of Israel,' etc. Efforts are made to
prove that he is the son of Joseph Pandira before his marriage with
Mary. His miracles are attributed to sorcery, the secret of which He
brought in a slit in His flesh out of Egypt. He is said to have been
first stoned and then hanged on the eve of the Passover. His disciples
are called heretics and opprobrious names. They are accused of immoral
practices, and the New Testament is called a sinful book. The
references to these subjects manifest the most bitter aversion and
hatred." [Joseph Barclay, The Talmud, pp.38, 39; cf Drach, op. cit
I.167] (Omni Publications, 1964, p.18-19)


THE MIDRASH
The Tanna'im, the high initiates of Kabbalah, also compiled the
Midrash:

http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/TalmudMap/Mishnah.html#Term

"In some contexts 'Mishnah' is contrasted with 'Midrash.' The latter
term denotes Rabbinic teachings that are attached to the text of the
Bible, whereas the former term refers to teachings that are organized
or formulated independently of Scripture... "The Mishnah was clearly
not designed to encompass the whole of the Oral Torah tradition. The
same Rabbis who contributed to it also figured prominently in the
Tannai'itic Midrashic collections."

Rabbi Scheinerman's Magical Midrash page also identifies the Midrash
as the product of the Tannaitic period:

http://ezra.mts.jhu.edu/~rabbiars/midrash/index.html

"In its classical sense, Midrash, which has as its root the Hebrew
word darash, meaning "to seek out," refers to a body of rabbinic
literature made up of anthologies of biblical exegesis and homilies
dating from the tannaitic period (70_200 c.e.) through to the Middle
Ages. The most well known anthology of midrashim is Midrash Rabbah,
which provides a running midrashic commentary to the five books of the
Torah, as well as to the "five scrolls" (Esther, Ruth, Lamentations,
Ecclesiastes, and Song of Songs).

The Encyclopedia Judaica defines this method: "Midrash
(midrashim:plural) -- 'The method of interpreting scripture to
elucidate legal points (midrash Halakkah) or to bring out lessons by
stories or homiletics (midrash Aggadah). Also, the name for a
collection of such rabbinic interpretations.'"

Nesta Webster's SECRET SOCIETIES adds:

"... the Jewish Encyclopedia admits that Jewish legends concerning
Jesus are found in the Talmud and Midrash and in the life of Jesus
(Toledot Yeshu) that originated in the Middle Ages. It is the tendency
of all these sources to belittle the person of Jesus by ascribing to
Him illegitimate birth, magic, and a shameful death. " [Jewish
Encyclopedia, article on Jesus]

The Midrash and midrashic interpretation tend to devalue the literal,
historical interpretation of Scripture in favor of private, hidden and
even mystical interpretations. For example, Rabbi Scheinerman's
Magical Midrash page states:

"Midrash is subversive as it winds its way between and around stern,
stark, seemingly stagnant texts. As Judith Plaskow has stated, 'Jews
have traditionally used midrash to broaden or alter the meaning of
texts' (in Davidman/Tenenbaum, 80). Midrash assumes that the black
letters of scripture as well as the white spaces between them are
holy; that the explicitly stated as well as that which can be inferred
from the Bible can be manifestations of God's word. Midrash is a kind
of scriptural archaeology, bidding us not to stop at surface
appearances but to dig down deeply into the text to uncover hidden
riches..."

Midrashic interpretations permit students of Scripture to explore far
beyond the safe boundaries of the sacred canon. Apostates such as
Unity minister, Rev. J. Ronald Jones, are permitted nearly unlimited
license using midrashim to support their false teachings:

http://www.unityspokane.com/Ron/Midrash.html

"Midrash requires that anything to be venerated in the present must be
connected with sacred moments of Jewish history. It is the accepted
way of incorporating timelessness, continuity, and authority into a
sacred narrative. Jesus' life was thus connected to Abraham, Isaac,
Jacob, Moses, David, Daniel, Elijah, Elisha, '2 Isaiah,' and others.
The virgin birth story was made to mirror earlier stories of Zoroaster
and Romulus and Remus; and the ascension story was made to mirror
earlier stories of the Buddha and Osiris...

"How does a text lose its historical focus? The closing of the canon
removes a collection of sacred writings from the temporal process. No
subsequent event, world view, conventional wisdom, or cultural value
has the power to change the canon. No new writings can be added. Quite
the opposite, new events must be interpreted with the aid of the
canon. The canon stands beyond Time as a judge of temporal events.

"Both Jewish and liberal Christian communities agree that the Bible as
canon still permits perpetual interpretation. They accept it as normal
that there can be an infinite variety of interpretations all
'inspired' by the text. The goal is to 'search out' the fullness of
what was spoken by God. It is only through a process of dialogue
within a community of faith that knowledge of God's revelation grows
and becomes the Word of God for the present generation. Visotzky
notes: 'There is no one common reading of Scripture that everyone can
agree with--and there never has been.'6 When a community of faith
insists on a single, normative reading that everyone must 'swear to,'
it is on the verge of death as a vital community.

"As a methodology, Midrash tends to minimize the authority of the
wording of the text. It places the focus on the reader, and on the
personal struggle of the reader to reach an acceptable moral
application of the text. While it is always governed to some degree by
the wording of the text, it allows the reader to project his or her
inner struggle into the text. This allows for some very powerful and
moving interpretations which, to the ordinary user of language, can
seem to have very little connection with the text. The great weakness
of this method is that it always threatens to replace the text with an
outpouring of personal reflection. At its best it requires the
presence of mystical insight not given to all readers."


THE HAGGADAH
Technically, "the Haggada(h)" is a liturgical manual used in the
Jewish Passover Seder. The information on this web site indicates that
it was also developed by the Ravs in Babylonia in the Middle ages.
These are not ancient documents, but were developed during the same
period as the Kabbalah.

The History of the Haggadah
http://www.ohr.org.il/special/pesach/hagghist.htm

"The word Haggadah comes from the Torah command - 'And you shall tell
(v'Higadeta) your children on that day...' Although the minimal
fulfillment of this mitzvah is a simple recounting of the going out of
Egypt and explaining a few of the Pesach symbols, proper fulfillment
requires much more.

"Over the centuries additions have been made to the Haggadah to
enhance this mitzvah. Many of these additions gained such wide
acceptance that they became part of the Haggadah. One of those
additions is the Chad Gadya. Another is 'Dayeinu.' Rav Saadia Gaon
(882 CE - 942 CE) included neither in his Haggadah, although he did
recognize the existence of Dayeinu. Neither Rashi (1040-1105) nor
Maimonides (1135-1204) included Chad Gadya in their versions of the
Haggadah, although Rashi did include Dayeinu...

"The metamorphosis of the Haggadah concluded in the late middle ages,
aided by the invention of the Printing Press, which enabled the basic
Ashkenazic version which had been endorsed by the Ari z'l to be
accepted even in Sephardic communities. The text is based upon the
Haggadah of Rav Amram Gaon, who headed the Babylonian Yeshiva of Sura
between 856-876 CE. This text was endorsed by Rashi. Rav Amram's
Haggadah concluded with the after blessing on the fourth cup of wine.
It did not include 'Chasal Siddur Pesach'."

The Ashkenazi and Sephardic communities represent two mystical
traditions that have developed within Judaism. This explains why an
Haggadah is found on the New Age Sirius Community web site which
displays the Sephiroth - Tree of Life (path of occult initiation) and
a link to The Way of the Kabbalah -
http://www.sirius.com/~ovid/haggadah.html

Essential to a study of the Kabbalist traditions is historical
background on the origins and theology of both communities. Ashkenazic
Jews originated in France, Germany, and Eastern Europe. Sephardic Jews
lived in Spain, Portugal, North Africa and the Middle East. The
ENCYCLOPEDIA OF RELIGION describes Ashkenazik Hasidism, which emerged
from Germany in the late 12th C., as a form of Jewish mysticism.


ASHKENAZIK HASIDIM
"The German-Jewish pietists built their own understanding of hasid, or
'pietist,' upon the cumulative foundation of earlier meanings but
moved in new directions as well. Their worldview was grounded in the
idea that God's will is only partial revealed in the words of the
Pentateuch, or the Torah, given to the prophet Moses at Mount Sinai.
God's will requires of the truly faithful and punctilious Jew, that
is, of the hasid, a search for a hidden and infinitely demanding
additional torah, which God encoded in the words of scripture...

"Along with Maimonidean religious philosophy, theosophical mysticism,
or Qabbalah, and the scholastic legal achievement of the glossators of
the Talmud, German-Jewish pietism permanently reshaped classical
Judaism into traditional Judaism, which lasted down to the modern
period...Their writings about manipulating the divine name in the form
of permutations of the Hebrew alphabet to achieve mystical and magical
goal, decidedly influenced later Jewish mysticism in Spain." (Vol. I,
p. 458)


SEPHARDIC JEWS
The Sephardic Jews are descendants of the large Jewish community
living in Spain and Portugal in the Middle Ages. In 1391, under the
Papal Inquisition, there was a massacre of thousands of Jews in the
Iberian Peninsula. The Sephardic Jews have been credited with
disseminating Cabalism throughout Europe, after they were forcibly
expelled by King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella in 1492. The Urantia
Book Fellowship notes: "The greatest figure in Spanish Judaism was the
philosopher, talmudist, and physician, Maimonides (1135-1204). He
attempted to harmonize Judaism with the philosophy of Aristotle."

The Encarta Concise Encyclopedia entry "Cabala" identifies its origins
in Spain and France:

"Cabala, generically, Jewish mysticism in all its forms; specifically,
the esoteric theosophy that crystallized in 13th-century Spain and
Provence, France, around Sefer Ha-Zohar (The Book of Splendor),
referred to as the Zohar. Cabala's roots are in Hellenistic astral
mysticism, in which the adept, through meditation and the use of magic
formulas, journeys ecstatically through and beyond the seven astral
spheres. Medieval Spanish Cabala, the most important form of Jewish
mysticism, is more concerned with esoteric knowledge about the nature
of the divine world and its hidden connections with the world of
creation. "According to the Zohar, above and beyond all human
contemplation is God as he is in himself, the unknowable, immutable En
Sof (Infinite). Zoharic theosophy concentrates on ten sefirot (realms
or planes) as symbols of the inner life and processes of the Godhead.
Because they are also archetypes for everything in the world of
creation, understanding their workings can illuminate the inner
workings of the cosmos and of history. This cosmic aspect was
dramatically developed in 16th-century Lurianic Cabala, which arose in
response to the cataclysmic experience of Jewish exiles expelled from
Iberia in the 1490s, and which projected that experience onto the
divine world." The extent of the dispersion is documented by Groliers'
Encyclopedia, which also confirms the Sephardim as followers of the
occult traditions of ancient Babylon:

"The Sephardim are those Jews who follow the liturgy and customs
developed by the Jews of medieval Spain and Portugal. The name comes
from Sepharad, a place of exile mentioned in Obadiah 20 and early
identified with Iberia. Unlike the Ashkenazim, those Jews who settled
in German lands, the Sephardim followed Babylonian rather than
Palestinian Jewish traditions. They also developed their own language,
Ladino, or Judeo-Spanish, a blend of medieval Castilian, Hebrew,
Arabic, and other elements. There is a considerable body of Ladino
literature.

"After the expulsion of the Jews from Spain (1492) and Portugal (1497)
many Sephardim formed communities in the lands of the Ottoman
Empire--the Balkans, North Africa, and the Middle East. Others
remained in Iberia, nominally converting to Christianity. Vilified as
Marranos ('pigs'), they were subject to continuing persecution, and
most eventually left to form communities in northwestern
Europe--Amsterdam became a particularly important center. Sephardic
traditions were largely adopted by local Jewish groups in the Middle
East and North Africa; hence, today the term Sephardim is loosely
applied to all Jews native to those areas. Among important Jewish
thinkers from the Sephardic tradition are Solomon ibn Gabirol, Moses
Maimonides, and Baruch Spinoza."


THE NOAHIDE LAWS
Presently, there is a vast movement afoot with many points of entry
(Lubavitcher Movement, Nazarene Movement, Hebraic Roots/Messianic
Movement, Latter Rain/Roman Catholic Year of Jubilee) to bring all of
mankind under the Law. These trendy movements to adopt the customs and
feasts of the Mosaic Covenant are effectively laying the groundwork to
mobilize the Church for Jay Gary's call to "experience the Jubilee"
Year in AD 2000 and be "reconciled to our spiritual roots." Jay Gary
wrote in THE STAR OF 2000:

"The annual calendar of Israel was built around three major festivals:
Passover, Pentecost and Tabernacles... The Year of Jubilee encompassed
these three festivals, only raised to a higher power ...Then, as well
as today, Jesus calls us to experience His jubilee... It's time to
blow the ancient trumpet. It's time to be reconciled to our spiritual
roots." (pp. 84, 85)

This massive movement also seems to be leading toward the global
establishment of the Noahide Laws (already U.S. law), for which
disobedience the penalty is beheading (Rev. 20:4) THE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF
JUDIASM lists these seven universal laws and indicates their binding
nature on all Gentiles:

"Full-page ads in the New York Times and other newspapers have
proclaimed: ‘All nations of the world: Fulfill the 7 universal Noahide
Laws given to you in the Torah of Moses.Â’... One additional element of
greater severity is that violation of any one of the seven laws
subjects the Noahide to capital punishment by decapitation. (Sanh.
57A)"

THE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF JUDAISM identifies the Babylonian Talmud (T.B.) as
the source of "The Noachide Laws."

"According to Maimonides, acceptance -- on the basis of the Bible --
of the seven universal precepts means that any such righteous Gentile
is numbered with 'the pious ones among the nations of the
world...deserving a share in the world to come' (Tosef. Sanh 13.2)

(1) Civil justice [the duty to establish a legal system];
(2) Prohibition of blasphemy [which includes the bearing of false
witness];
(3) The abandonment of idolatry;
(4) The prohibition of incest [including adultery and other sexual
offenses];
(5) The prohibition of murder;
(6) Also that of theft;
(7) The law against eating flesh [a limb] cut from a living animal
[ie., cruelty in any shape or form]
(T.B. Sanh. 56A)

Hebrew scholar, Eliezer Segal, documents that the Babylonian Talmud
(T.B.) is a commentary on the Mishnah composed by Babylonian Jewish
sages (Ravs) from the early third to the sixth century. Although it is
claimed by the Lubavitch, Nazarene and Hebraic Roots Movements that
the source of the 7 Noahide Laws is the Torah (Genesis-Deuteronomy),
it is apparent that Talmud and Mishnah are derived from occult
traditions that contradicted and nullifed the teaching of Scripture.

The following appendix cites ample material from Nesta Webster's
SECRET SOCIETIES and other resources which demonstrate the occult
character of the Jewish sources relied upon by the Lubavitch and
Nazarene Movements and, their pseudo-Christian counterpart, the
Hebraic Roots Movement.



APPENDIX
SECRET SOCIETIES & SUBVERSIVE MOVEMENTS, Nesta H. Webster, Omni
Publications, 1964.

P.6. Re: Oral Tradition:Talmud:Cabala

"According to Fabre d'Olivet, Moses, who 'was learned all the wisdom
of the Egyptians' drew from the Egyptian mysteries a part of the oral
tradition which was handed down through the leaders of the Israelites.

"That such an oral tradition, distinct from the written word embodied
in the Pentateuch, did descend from Moses and that it was later
committed to writing in the Talmud and the Cabala is the opinion of
many Jewish writers." [According to the Jewish view God had given
Moses on Mt. Sinai alike the oral and the written Law, that is, the
Law with all its interpretations and applications" --Alfred Edersheim]

P.9... Re: Zohar:Talmud:Cabala

"The fact is that the main ideas of the Zohar find confirmation in the
Talmud. As the Jewish Encyclopedia observes, 'the Cabala, is not
really in opposition to the Talmud,' and "many Talmudic Jews have
supported and contributed to it." Adolphe Franch does not hesitate to
describe it as "the heart and life of Judaism."

"The greater number of the most eminent rabbis of the seventeenth and
eighteenth centuries believed firmly in the sacredness of the Zohar
and of the infallibility of it's teaching" ( Jewish Encyclopedia,
article on Cabala)

P. 8. Re: Cabala--book 1--Sepher Yetzirah

. . . "says that its date has been placed as early as the sixth
century before Christ and as late as the tenth century A.D., but that
it is at any rate older than the Talmud is shown by the fact that in
the Talmud the Rabbis are described as studying it for magical
purposes. Sepher Yetzirah is also said to be the work referred to in
the Koran under the name of the "Book of Abraham".

P.8. Re: Cabala--book 2--Sepher-Ha-Zohar (Zohar)

. . . "Of the immense compilation known as the Sepher-Ha- Zohar, Book
of Light, is ... of greater importance of Cabalistic philosophy.
According to the Zohar itself, the 'Mysteries of Wisdom' were imparted
to Adam by God whilst he was still in the Garden of Eden, in the form
of a book delivered by the angel Razael. From Adam the book passed to
Seth ... Enoch... Noah ... Abraham, and later to Moses, one of its
principal exponents. Other Jewish writers declare... that Moses
received it ... first time on Mt. Sinai. . . to the Seventy Elders. .
. to David and Solomon...Ezra...Nehemiah and finally to the Rabbis of
the early Christian era"

P.18-19 Re: Christ:Talmud:Cabala

"So also it was the Rabbis who, after hiding from the people the
meaning of the sacred tradition at the moment of its fulfillment,
afterwards poisoned that same stream for future generations.
Abominable calumnies on Christ and Christianity found not only in the
Cabala but in the earlier editions of the Talmud. In these, says
Barclay -

"Our Lord and Saviour is 'that's one', 'such an one', 'a fool', 'the
leper,' 'The deceiver of Israel,' etc. Efforts are made to prove that
he is the son of Joseph Pandira before his marriage with Mary. His
miracles are attributed to sorcery, the secret of which He brought in
a slit in His flesh out of Egypt. He is said to have been first stoned
and then hanged on the eve of the Passover. His disciples are called
heretics and opprobrius names. They are accused of immoral practices,
and the New Testament is called a sinful book. The references to these
subjects manifest the most bitter aversion and hatred. " [Joseph
Barclay, The Talmud, pp.38, 39; cf Drach, op. cit I.167]

P. 20 Re: Cabala: Talmud: Christ:

"... the Jewish Encyclopedia admits that Jewish legends concerning
Jesus are found in the Talmud and Midrash and in " the life of Jesus
(Toledot Yeshu) that originated in the Middle Ages. It is the tendency
of all these sources to belittle the person of Jesus by ascribing to
Him illegitimate birth, magic, and a shameful death. " [Jewish
Encyclopedia, article on Jesus]

P. 8 Re: Cabal sources/origins

"...Until this date the Zohar had remained a purely oral tradition ...
written down by the disciples of Simon ben Jochai. The Talmud relates
that for 12 years the Rabbi Simon and his son Eliezer concealed
themselves in a cavern, where sitting in the sand up to their necks,
they meditated on the sacred law and were frequently visited by the
prophet Elias. In this way, Jewish legend adds, the great book of the
Zohar was composed and committed to writing by the Rabbis' son Eliezer
and his secretary Rabbi Abba."

P. 23 re: Cabala: Talmud: Christ: Essenes

"... A subtler device for discrediting Christianity and undermining
belief in the divine character of our Lord has been adopted ... who
set out to prove that He belonged to the sect of the Essenes, ... Thus
Jewish historian Graetz declares that Jesus simply appropriated to
himself the essential features of Essenism... So after representing
Christ as a magician in the Toledot Yeshu and the Talmud, Jewish
traditions seeks to explain His miraculous works as those of a mere
healer - an idea that we shall find descending right through the
secrets of societies to this day ... if of the miracles of Christ were
simply due to a knowledge of natural laws and His doctrines were the
outcome of a sect, the whole theory of His divine power and mission
falls to the ground ..."

P. 299 re: Blavatsky: Talmud: Christ

"... Madam Blavatsky's writings, on the person of Christ, ... 'For me,
Jesus Christ, that is to say the Man-God of the Christians, copy of
the Avatars of all countries, of the Hindu Chrishna as of the Egyptian
Horus, was never a historical personage.' Hence the story of His life
was merely an allegory founded on the existence of the "a personage
named Jehoshua born at Lud." But elsewhere she asserted that Jesus may
have lived during the Christian era or a century earlier 'as the
Sepher Toldoth Jehoshua indicates.' And Madame Blavatsky went on to
say of the savants who deny the historical value of this legend, that
they -- "...either lie or talk nonsense. Is our Masters who affirms
it. If the history of Jehoshua or Jesus Ben Pandera is false, then the
whole of the Talmud, the whole of the Jewish canon law, is false. It
was the disciple of Jehoshua ben Parachai, the fifth President of the
Sanhedrin since Ezra, who re-wrote the Bible. ...This story is much
truer than that of the New Testament, of which history does not say a
word."

P. 21 Re: Cabala: Talmud: and the Toledot Yeshu--referring to Christ

NOTE: Another name for Toledot Yeshu is Sepher Toldoth Jehoshua(Zohar)

"...the Toledot Yeshu relates with the most indecent details that
Miriam, a hairdresser of Bethlehem,(4)affianced to a young man named
Jochanan, was seduced by a libertine, Joseph Panther or Pandira, and
gave birth to a son whom she named Johosuah or Jeschu. According to
the Talmudic authors of the Sota and the Sanhedrim, Jeschu was taken
during his boyhood to Egypt, where he was initiated into the secrets
doctrines of the priests, and on his return to Palestine gave himself
up to the practice of magic.(5) The Toledot Yeshu, however, goes on to
say that on reaching manhood, Jeschu learnt the secret of his
illegitimacy, on account of which he was driven out of the Synagogue
and took refuge for a time in Galilee. Now, there was in the Temple a
stone on which was engraved the Tetragrammaton or Schem Hamphorasch,
that is to say, the Ineffable Name of God; this stone had been found
by King David when the foundations of the Temple were being prepared
and was deposited by him in the Holy of Holies. Jeschu, knowing this,
came from Galilee and, penetrating into the Holy of Holies, read the
Ineffable name, which he transcribed on to a piece of whom parchment
and concealed in an incision under his skin. By this means he was able
to work miracles and to persuade the people that he was the son of God
foretold by Isaiah. With the aid of Judas, the Sages of the Synagogue,
succeeding in capturing Jeschu, who was then lead before the Great and
Little Sanhedrin, by whom he was condemned to be stoned to death and
finally hanged" Such is the story of Christ according to the Jewish
Kabbalists ..."


Footnotes:
(4) cf. Baring -Gould, op.cit., quoting Talmud, treatise Sabbath,
folio 104,
(S. Baring-Gould, The Counter Gospels, 1874)
(5) Ibid.,p.55, quoting Talmud, treatise Sahhedrim,folio 107, and
Sota,
folio 47; Eliphas Levi, La Science des Esprits, pp.32,33


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For more information on the Noahide Laws:

Kabbalist Chabad-Lubavitch in Cyberspace
http://www.chabad.org/gopher/outlook/7laws/7laws.004.htm

The Lubavitch Movement
http://watch.pair.com/law.html

For more information on exposing the HRM:

End Time Ministries
http://www.cth.com.au/corp/despatch/Israel_Tishrei.html
http://www.cth.com.au/corp/despatch/vol83_questions.html

Cross and Word
http://www.banner.org.uk./sum_heb.html



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Israel's True Biblical Position today

Introduction to the Series
NOTE: Since the following series of Articles were published in
Despatch during 1994-1995, Don Stanton has apparently ceased to
heavily confront these Issues in his "Prophetic Alert", he has not to
our knowledge changed his position, but continues with it in the
"Tishrei" Series in conjunction with Clifford Denton of the U.K.
We know from recent trip in Australia 1999, thst he is still taking a
Jewish Roots Position.
Most people who receive "Prophetic Alert" do not seem to also get the
"Tishrei" booklets. It is not now an issue with Despatch, though we
are very concerned with the matter as a whole because of the
tremendous increase in Messianic Judaism through out the world. So we
have published them on Internet to try and alert others to the dangers
addressed in Despatch during the above period.

*It is again an issue with Despatch as The Hebrew Roots / Messianic
Jews & Ministries
are now coming very much to the for again in 1999.

Link to the current info section re HRM
.



Despatch Magazine

Extract ..Vol.6:2 (June, 1994)
The following article began an on-going series of exposes and
exhortations to the Body of Christ ...the last`Despatch' Extract being
Dec., 1995. Vol. 7:4. * Despatch has since this time examined many of
the Tishrei Booklets sent to us by our subscribers, we have been
greatly disturbed by their content re alteration of fundamental
doctrine.

The Messianic Jewish Apostasy is now taking in the Toronto Blessing
and Latter Rain, as well as liaising with the Kingdom Now
Movement...this will also be covered in an Integrity Ministries
article from Pudsey, U.K.(not published in Despatch as it is only
recently come to hand...not yet ready for inclusion here.)

Tishrei...Don Stanton...A Letter... to the Maranatha Revival
Crusade...India

The Christian author of B. G., had sent `Despatch' a copy of his
letter to Don Stanton of `Maranatha Revival Crusade. The letter
challenges, strongly, the change in emphasis and doctrine which has
been evident in recent months in the ministry of MRC.
This emphasis, it appears, originated from the Tishrei group, which
seeks to "explore the Jewish roots of the Christian faith.."

I quote from the letter by B. G....

"There is much truth in Tishrei, but even more error which will lead
straight into the occult teachings of the New Age/Cabalistic
deception. The deception of Tishrei is diabolical, in that, purporting
to uphold the integrity of Holy Writ within its pages, Tishrei is
nothing more than an attempt to synthesis the word of God with
satanically inspired writings, such as the Talmud, The Shepherd of
Hermas and the Epistle of Barnabas." "Your attempts at uniting
Christianity with Pharisaicism will cause spiritual suicide among
believers in Jesus Christ...."

Don Stanton has always been a most courageous, sound defender of the
faith, who has revealed the deceptions of the N.W.O. for many years,
when others have been asleep!

His recent meetings in Australia sere scripturally correct and
inspiring, by all reports. It is puzzling and sad to see this strange
"Jewishness" overtaking his ministry. Something NEW has been added,
obviously by Tishrei!.




[Also there is much concern, about his growing interest in O.B.E. [Out
of Body Experiences] ,
this has been noticed at some of the above mentioned meetings.]




WE ASK FOR PRAYER FOR OUR BROTHER DON, AND FOR THE AUTHOR OF THIS
LETTER, SENT IN CONCERN AND LOVE...WE HAVE HAD MANY SUBSCRIBERS
WRITING AND RINGING CONCERNING THE DIRECTION OF DON'S MINISTRY THESE
LAST TWO YEARS...with full agreement of our Accountability Structure
we will in future editions of `Despatch' try and examine this whole
Jewish question and examine some of the actual publications involved
from MRC.

Wendy Howard...editor of Despatch
.


`Despatch' Magazine & "Beauty for Ashes" Booklet
Childrens Devotions also access daily email devotions
bi-monthly Mini-Despatch


Extract: Vol. 6:3. (Sep. '1994)...pp.30-31
.

The six pointed Star, is it the Star of David?


Dear reader, have you noticed the strong move to merge Christianity
into Judaism?

If you have not, we pray this issue of Despatch will make you aware. A
recent issue of a Christian newsletter, sent from an organization
which has been building bridges to the Jewish people for many years,
stated that the STAR OF DAVID was the most Christian symbol a believer
could wear!This is not so.

The SIX POINTED STAR is actually a New Age occult symbol.

QUESTIONS ??? We should ask about this Star are:



Is this star the Star of Solomon - not the star of David?
Is it an occult symbol, not a Christian Symbol?
Is it the sign of the New World Order under Lucifer?
Facts about the Six Pointed Star:
It has an amazing background, right back into ages past.
It is forbidden as a symbol, by the Word of God.
It may be the MARK OF THE BEAST
( I say MAY BE - we don't know. Remember that the Bible tells us in
Revelation 13:17 that there will be the mark, or the name of the
beast, or the number of his name).
.


HERE IS A SUMMARY OF information on the HEXAGRAM, or six-pointed star
and elements which bear relationship to our subject...
The star was mentioned and condemned by the God of Israel in Amos 5:26
and it was called by Him, `the star of your god, Moloch' or otherwise
called `Chiun'. Reference to Amos 5:26 and the Israelites having it in
the wilderness was also made in Acts 7:43. Here it was called the Star
of Remphan. All these names refer to the `god' Saturn.
The foregoing verifies that it was therefore in existence long before
the time of Solomon. He took this symbol upon himself when he went
into idolatry, and it became known as the `Seal of Solomon' in Arabic
magic and witchcraft.
There was no usage of it in Jewish circles until the 17th century when
the cabalist, Isaac Luria, introduced it in Germany.
Mayer Amschel Bauer then used it in Germany to identify his address,
consequently changing his family name to Rothschild, meaning `Red
Shield', and depicting the red hexagram hanging on his door. He later
incorporated it into his family coat of arms.
The six-pointed star or hexagram became the insignia of Zionism.
Hitler rose to power, using it as a badge of shame, forcing all Jews
to wear it during the Nazi regime.
It arrived at the Knesset of the newly formed State of Israel.
It became the logo of the Jewish `Red Cross' called the Magen David
Adom.
It became the centerpiece on the flag of Israel.
Surreptitiously, it has become the international symbol of the Jewish
people and saturates the world as the Jewish Star.

The Hexagram is 666.
The hexagram, or six pointed star, certainly has three sixes. It
contains a six, within a six, within a six: 666. (Count the sides of
each triangle facing the clockwise direction, the sides facing the
counter-clockwise direction, and the third six - the sides of the
inner hexagon).

And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and
they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image,
and whosoever receiveth THE MARK OF HIS NAME. (Revelation 14:11).

In the book ANCIENT PAGAN SYMBOLS,
the hexagram is called Solomon's Seal, not David's.
It says...

"The triangle, the geometrical emblem of three things, one above two,
the two lower uniting to produce the higher, or the union of the
positive and negative forces to produce the third, is the most complex
and mystical as it is the most UNCOMPROMISING of all symbols.
....Three has been called the very soul of magic, astrology and
divination." 1.

The book goes on to talk about the Hindu triad, the Buddhist triad and
others, but here we draw the line on the details.

Solomon's Seal was accepted as occult by the occult world. King
Solomon became involved in witchcraft and occultism. (Although Solomon
was greatly used of the Almighty God).

According to THE SORCERER'S HANDBOOK -

"King Solomon, traditionally known as an ARCH MAGICIAN [author's
italics], used a SPELL [author's italics] to banish infernal beings
sent by the king of demons to EXTRACT HUMAN HEARTS . . . [The names of
the demons are then given.]" 2.

"Solomon's Mirror. A mirror used for divination". It is described and
they go into what is done with the blood of A PIGEON.

In the book THE HISTORY AND PRACTICE OF MAGIC, Vol. 2, the six-pointed
star is called the talisman of Saturn. It is illustrated obverse and
reverse. The latter is the Seal of Solomon; the former is the five
pointed star, commonly called the pentagram. Details are given on how
to make these symbols and the materials to use. 2.
.


The Hexagram - 666 - Sign of Satan.
The insignia of the Globalists, Cabalism, the Rothschilds and Zionism
- The Hexagram.

SHOULD CHRISTIANS WEAR THE SIX POINTED STAR, THE HEXAGRAM?
SURELY NOT! TO DO SO IS AN ABOMINATION TO OUR GOD!

At the time of publication of the book, "The Six Pointed Star", by
O.J. GRAHAM, in the 1980's, these figures were given. 30% of the Jews
living in Israel were not religious at all, even atheists. Of the
remaining 70%, the majority were religious only formally, few were
deeply committed. O.J. Graham, himself of Jewish ancestry, now a
Christian journalist writes...

"The Jewish Almanac does not explain which Jews decided to make the
six-pointed star the symbol of Jewry, nor does it state when such a
vote took place.

Some Jews will have nothing to do with this symbol; others do not care
to check it out. The majority of people could not care less. Some are
shocked to learn it is pagan, but do not think that the matter is
important."

What then is the Real Symbol of the Hebrew People?


The number seven, not the number six is God's perfect number. The
symbol given to God's chosen race, as far back as Exodus is the
Menorah, or seven branched candle-stick.

Read all about this Menorah, which played such a vital role in the
Tabernacle and was placed in the Holy Place in Exodus 25. More verses
about the Menorah are, 1 Kings 7:49; 11 Chronicles 4:7. Also in the
New Testament, Matthew 5:15 ; Rev. 1, 2 & 19:16.

RECOMMENDED READING ON THE STAR:
The Six Pointed Star, by O.J. GRAHAM. Published by New Puritan
Library.


References:
1. Elizabeth Goldsmith, ANCIENT PAGAN SYMBOLS (New York: The
Knickerbocker Press, 1929, reprinted by A.M.S. Press Inc., New York),
p.150.
2. Baskin, p.544.
3. Paul Christian, THE HISTORY AND PRACTICE OF MAGIC (Secaucus, NJ:
University Books, published by arrangement with Lyle Stewart, 1979),
Vol.II, p.304.



New Age - Universal Brotherhood


...Six-pointed Star worship.


"...The light and love of God is within every human heart. It is
called by some `the inner light' and by others `the atman'. White
Eagle, our own teacher...,who directs us in this particular work of
prayer, calls it `the Christ light'

We focus our efforts to pray by visualising a powerful symbol: the
symbol of a six-pointed star, shining like the sun and radiating God's
healing light to all the world.

The six-pointed star is a symbol which actually works in a magical way
to help stimulate the light within every human heart.

It is a symbol for the new age, portraying men and women, , working in
partnership with God, as creator as, of the Golden Age which is surely
coming..."

New Age quote also from the same material...
"There are many ways open to man, but there is one unfailing, one
certain true way for man to establish God's kingdom on earth.
[Emphasis Despatch] This is by the light which is within himself.
Daily endeavour to realise your true self which is buried deep in your
innermost being. Remember always the quiet, pure true contact within
the sanctuary of your own being. Be true to your own spirit, and in
being true to yourself you will be true also to God and the universal
brotherhood. Practice this daily realisation of the great white light
within your own being and project it forth into the world of men. Then
my friends, the mists around the earth will gradually be dispelled. Do
not look to others of do the work for you. Every man is his own
saviour, and every man is the saviour of all mankind...White Eagle "







The JEW, the GENTILE & Biblical Prophesy.
A huge ground swell of Jewishness is rising from the depths of
organized Christendom. It is coming in a number of forms. The Bible,
however, has doctrines which are totally opposed to these Jewish
teachings.

What DOES the Bible reveal to us about THE JEW, THE GENTILE &
PROPHESY?

Have the Christians got JEWISH ROOTS which they should Return to?
The above statement is being made in a quite a few Christian magazines
and books these days. What does the Bible say? This is the only thing
one needs to know about this Jewish Roots concept!

Does the Bible say that the root of the Christian Church is Judaism?
Not at all, definitely NO. If the reader will spent but a few moments
reading ROMANS chapter eleven, it will be very clear that the ROOT and
THE TREE of both the Christians AND the Jew is CHRIST JESUS Himself.
What a glory this is.

The passage starts off in verse one by showing that God has not cast
away the Jewish nation forever. Hath God cast away his people? God
forbid....

In verses seven to twelve God reveals that Israel is temporarily set
aside, but not on a permanent basis. These verses show that through
their `fall' , salvation is come unto the Gentiles, to provoke them to
jealousy. (The Jews, that is, v.11).

The Christians who came from the Gentiles are told that Israel's
blindness is only in part in verse 25, until the fullness of the
Gentiles be come in. This fullness of the Gentiles refers to the
completion of God's purpose in gathering THE CHURCH, an outcalling of
a Gentile people for His name, the church which is his body. (Eph.
1:22-23). This should be carefully distinguished from the times of the
Gentiles, which refers to the end of Gentile NATION rule on the earth,
and the NATION of Israel taking up its place as head nation on the
earth (Luke 21:24). The times of the Gentiles began with the captivity
of Judah under Nebuchadnezzar (11 Chr.36:1-21).

The answer to our question does the Bible say that the root of the
Christian Church is Judaism? is found in Romans eleven verses fifteen
to twenty four.
Here we see three important symbols.

The first is ............THE GOOD OLIVE TREE;
The second is .......THE WILD OLIVE TREE;
The third is ...........THE NATURAL BRANCHES.
The Bible says that Israel is a natural branch which because of
unbelief they were broken off. The Gentile Church is referred as the
wild olive tree, graffed or grafted into the good olive tree, which is
also THE ROOT of both!

What then is THE GOOD OLIVE TREE and also THE ROOT?
A question which needs to be addressed. THE GOOD OLIVE TREE has always
been CHRIST HIMSELF! God promised that through Abraham's seed all
families of the earth would be blessed. (Gen. 12:3; Gal.: 36-9).In
verse 24 of Romans 8, we can clearly see that the natural branches
cannot be broken off, yet still remain THE GOOD OLIVE TREE - all at
the same time!

THE ROOT OF CHRISTIANITY is CHRIST JESUS OUR LORD, promised to the
whole world through the line of Abraham. (Read the genealogy in
Matthew chapter one). Christ Jesus is also the GOOD OLIVE TREE for
Israel as well! "ROOTED and built up in him, and stablished in the
faith...". (Colossians 2:7). THE Olive Tree is a symbol of Israel's
religious privileges, yes, but the ROOT and FATNESS of the GOOD OLIVE
TREE shows the seed of Abraham, the Lord Jesus Christ. HE IS
CHRISTIANITY'S ROOT, not Judaism.

Should Christians keep... Jewish Festivals & The Sabbath?
It would appear very evident that something strange is happening!
Christians are being led to believe that they should keep THE SABBATH,
and RETURN TO KEEPING JEWISH FEASTS, such as THE PASSOVER, THE FEAST
of TRUMPETS, THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES, and to keep THE JUBILEES and so
on. T
he Bible shows clearly that THIS IS DISHONORING TO OUR LORD JESUS
CHRIST! Do you love the Lord, then honor HIM, for He is the fulfilment
of all these Old Testament Jewish types and shadows.

The Sabbath was a SIGN of the MOSAIC COVENANT, which we are no longer
under. The Sabbath was for Israel only. It was said unto them,
"Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy," (Ex.20:8). "Verily my
Sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a SIGN between me and you THROUGH
YOUR GENERATIONS." (Ex. 31:13; Ezek. 20: 12, 19-21. Compare Galatians
4:9-11; Col.2:16.) Christians meet on THE EIGHTH DAY, as prefigured in
Leviticus 23:10-11. DAY AFTER THE SABBATH. In this passage, the
first-fruits typify Christ Jesus. See 1 Corinthians 15:20. Jesus rose
from the dead, not on the Sabbath, but on THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK,
on the MORROW AFTER THE SABBATH. (Read John 20:1,19; Acts 20:7; 1 Cor.
16:2).

Should Christians keep... The Ceremonial Law?
The Feasts of the Old Testament were a part of the Jewish ceremonial
law, which are all fulfilled in Christ Jesus. To RETURN to keeping
these ceremonies would be an insult, a dishonoring of THE SUBSTANCE,
which is CHRIST, and to bring in an honoring of THE SHADOW.

What is the Passover Feast in typology?
It is type of our Passover Lamb, the Lamb of God, who shed His Blood
on Calvary. The Jewish feast was a memorial of the redemption and
deliverance of the Children of Israel from Egypt. The Jews still keep
the Passover. Christians do not, we observe THE MEMORIAL OF THE
SUBSTANCE, CHRIST DYING FOR THE SIN OF THE WORLD. OUR memorial is not
the shadow, we keep the Lord's Supper, Holy Communion, as instituted
by Christ Himself, in place of the Passover Feast.

What is the Feast of Trumpets in typology?
This fell on a Sabbath Day, at the time of the new moon, the first day
of the seventh month. This feast ushers in the Jewish New Year. During
the wilderness journey of the Jewish people, as recorded in the Old
Testament, two silver trumpets were blown for calling of the Assembly,
and for the journeyings of the Camps. Num. 10:1-10. This typifies the
regathering of Israel at the Second Coming of Christ. The Christian
Church will not be regathered, she will be Raptured. Many believe that
The feast of Trumpets will coincide with the Rapture of the Church,
but NO WHERE does scripture indicate that this feast is CHRISTIAN. The
SUBSTANCE is, CHRIST's Second Coming - "with the voice of the
archangel, and with the trump of God." ( 1 Thess. 4:16).

Read carefully the twenty third chapter of the Book of Leviticus for
an account of the SEVEN GREAT FEASTS OF THE LORD. Then read carefully
Colossians 2: 16,17, to see that Christ is the body or substance of
these feasts. (holyday means feast day).

What is the Feast of Tabernacles in typology?
This harvest home celebration is Jewish, not Christian! This feast
points forward to the time when ISRAEL will have Millennial Rest. The
Antitype has not yet appeared, but it has to do with the Lord God's
dealing with the NATION OF ISRAEL in the restored earth of the
Millennial reign of Christ. It is a SABBATIC REST of the millennial
age, or a thousand years, in relation to the other six thousand years
of the world's history. Heaven and Earth will be in close union, BUT,
the Christian Church will have put on immortality, they will have
become like Christ. (1 Peter 1:3-5).

We do not keep the Feast of Tabernacles because the Christian Church
is NOT the nation Israel, who will rest in the earthly paradise as a
NATION under the Throne of David, ruled by Christ! WE will be þkings
and priestsþ in Christ with quite a different service and future! (See
1 Peter 2:5; Revelation 1:6.) ISRAEL as a nation under the Throne of
David, is shown in many passages, including Isaiah 9:6-7; Davidic
Covenant~ 11 Sam. 7:16; Acts 15:14-16.


Should the Christian Church Build Bridges
between themselves & the Jews?
God has given the Church one duty towards the Jews, to preach the
Gospel. We should pray for Israel, but we can NEVER neglect the
salvation of souls! The Gospel is for Jew, Gentile, Male, Female,
Bond, Free, Black and White! NO MAN cometh unto the Father, except
through Christ Jesus. Dare the Christians refuse to preach the Gospel
to precious souls for fear of offending them? Or are we ashamed of the
Gospel of Christ? If building bridges means making friends and not
preaching Christ, IT IS WRONG to do so! (we know of a pastor who was
refused permission to go to Israel with a group because he said he
would preach the gospel to them if God lead him to.)

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ; for it is the power of
God unto salvation to everyone that believeth; to the Jew first, and
also to the Greek." (Romans 1:16).

Do the Jews come to God by a special way that does not involve
trusting in Christ Jesus' shed Blood? NO! There is no salvation in any
other name! (Acts 4:12).

Should Christians give money to re-build - The Temple in Jerusalem?
Now, to say a thing about this growing practice amongst Christians is
to court fury and cries of anti-semitic! Despatch is NOT ANTI-SEMITIC,
we recognize the glorious future that God has for the Jewish people,
the place of Israel in scripture, and the Chosen Race position that
the Israelis have before the Lord! We also know that scripture
declares that Israel will accept the false þMessiahþ, who is really
the antichrist! Israel will sign a seven year covenant with this false
Messiah, he will break it after three and a half years. THEN, this
Messiah who is really the Son of Perdition will use the newly built
temple in Jerusalem as a world centre of worship to HIMSELF! This
creature of horror, who is Satan incarnate!

In the Millennium, there will be another temple, a NEW TEMPLE
altogether, built for the Reign of Christ.
(See scriptures on THE MILLENNIAL TEMPLE, Ezekiel 40:1-47:12. The
ANTICHRIST sets up a false worship in an earlier Temple, BEFORE the
Ezekiel temple, Daniel 9:27. This is the little horn of 7:8. In the
middle of the week of years, antichrist forcibly puts an end to all
Jewish worship, and introduces abominations which render the sanctuary
desolate. Scripture itself interprets this in Matthew 24:15. Compare
Mark 13:14-18; Luke 21:20-23)

Should Christians give money to build the Temple in Jerusalem?
That is your personal decision to make!
But be sure that you realize that the Temple will house the
abomination of desolation, and Lucifer will have a field-day in it in
the near future!


See further details re which temples in this Issue of Despatch Vol.
6:3 pp51-52
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* Read the other articles in this same issue of Despatch *

The Jew, the Gentile & Biblical Prophecy? Vol. 6:3 pp.32-34
The Mosaic Law - should Christian's keep it? Vol. 6:3 pp.34-38.
What is the Jewish Talmud, & can Christians use it,
as an Addition to the Bible? Vol. 6:3 pp. 38-39
Is There a Future in God for Israel? Vol. 6:3 p.39
Jubillee Celebration comments...Vol. 6:3 p.40-41
* Read the continuing articles in Despatch

Vol. 7:1...Don Stanton & M.R.C...pp.18-22; 22-23; The Jew & the Future
in God pp.24-25; The Jew in Prophecy pp.27-29.
Vol. 7:3...The Messianic Jew & MRC Alert pp.50-52; Dave Hunt p.52;
Vol. 7:4...Will Israel be revived in God & when pp.19-20.

The Mosaic Law ~should Christians keep it?


We do NOT believe that Christians must return to the Mosaic Law as a
basis for righteousness in the Church Age. NEVER have I personally
been taught, or have read, of any solid Biblically based fundamental
who held this doctrine, it is a departure from the New Testament
faith. Also the doctrine which teaches that the Mosaic Law should be
used by the Gentile nations is NOT scripturally correct. This is
mixing law and grace in a most unsound manner, a very dangerous
doctrine, as the Reconstructionists are also doing the same. I believe
that the antichrist system will be extremely JEWISH, in a false sense.

The book, Harvest by Rick Joyner (a compromiser with the New Agers, by
the way), stresses that Israel and the Church will become one loaf and
take dominion over the planet, for example. The One World Church will
join all in syn-cretism, the Noahide Laws of the orthodox Jews are
already playing a massive role in the set-up of the N.W.O.


*see our Booklet "Which Law, What Law?" by W.B. Howard...not at
present on line.*
The World Council of Churches is becoming immensely Jewish, even
wanting to have a Year of Jubilee, and keep the Sabbath. CONSTANCE
CUMBEY, has written in her book, A PLANNED DECEPTION, of the Year of
Jubilee. Here is a quote from that book which shows the strange
relationship between the New Age and the Old Testament religious laws:
"...a teaching which indeed did parallel the Aquarian teaching of the
Age of Aquarius - the Old Testament Year of Jubilee, as well as the
Feast of Tabernacles. The Year of Jubilee paralleled the
redistribution of the world's wealth. The Feast of Tabernacles was the
equivalent of the coming together of the World's peoples and varied
religions under one tent or tabernacle - the equivalent of the New
Ager's long-awaited New World Religion." (p.172).

Cumbey comments on page 169 about the LAW of RECIPROCITY of Pat
Robertson, which is also Fabian Socialism, and a version of the Year
of Jubilee. On page 175, Cumbey urges the Christians to stand fast in
LIBERTY: "Are Christians under the Law of the Year of Jubilee or any
other Jewish law? Indeed, Galatians chapter 5 tells us an emphatic no
with the added proviso that if we bring ourselves again under the Law
we are fallen from grace. For the sake of our future freedoms, Paul's
advice is the best advice. STAND FAST IN THE LIBERTY WHEREBY CHRIST
HAS SET YOU FREE."

We are never, as Christians, sanctified by keeping the law. If we were
not justified by keeping the Law why would we be sanctified by keeping
the Law? We entered by One Way, and we proceed by the same Way. God
said that we must never weave together wool and linen. Why? Because
wool is obtained by shedding of blood and linen is obtained by man's
planting. (Deut. 22:11). God has only one working principle in the
Church Age - Grace in Christ Jesus.

If we are not under the Law, that does not mean that we are lawless.
In regard to sanctification the Bible says in Romans 6:14:
"Sin shall not have dominion over you; for you are not under law but
under grace."

Law is only God's commandment, but Grace is the power of God. Christ
is the end of the Law, because he satisfied all the demands of the Law
in Himself. Christ put an end to the Law by His death, because the Law
had the penalty of death within it, and Christ died according to the
demands of the Law. He concludes the Law. We Christians are married to
another.

The Mosaic Law was set aside at the dispersion in 70 A.D. (The Temple,
which was used for Mosaic law sacrifice, was destroyed then, by
Titus). It will not come to the fore again until the tribulation
period. It was given to ISRAEL, not to the Gentile nations. (Many
quotes from reputable Bible scholars could be put in here, as proof of
the respectability and soundness of what I am writing).

"Except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the
scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of
heaven."

It surely does not mean that Christians must return to the Law of
Moses - not the ceremonial law, or the moral law. A Christian does not
enter the Kingdom of Heaven by keeping ANY law, CHRIST Himself filled
up the law by His perfect substitutionary Life and death. By God's
grace, HIS righteousness is imputed to our account. But, your
righteousness refers to our own, progressive righteousness also,
received from the Lord Himself (1 Cor. 1: 30-31). Our standard, in the
Church Age, is much higher than the scribes and pharisees, it is the
New in Christ Jesus, not the old.

What about Matthew 5:18,
"...till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in
way pass away from the law , till all things be accomplished."

In verse 20 Christ Jesus told His disciples that the law must be
fulfilled in HIM. Must Christians then keep the law? No, they are
under Grace.

If we say we must keep part of the Mosaic Law, then we are obliged to
keep THE WHOLE of it! Christ fulfilled all the ceremonial laws in
Himself, they were but a shadow of Christ and His death. Galatians
5:2,3 makes it very plain that we cannot continue on the law path any
more, or we will end up as indebted to the Law.

"I, Paul, say unto you, that if you receive circumcision, Christ will
profit you nothing. Yea, I testify again to every man that receiveth
circumcision, that he is a debtor to do THE WHOLE LAW."

We are now in a new dispensation! The Church is a parenthesis between
the Age of Law, and the Time of Jacob's Trouble. Not just in regard to
being saved, but in regard to our Christian walk as well. We, in
Christ, have God's nature indwelling us; the ten commandments are all
repeated, excepting for the Sabbath keeping, in the New Testament
instructions for the Church ; we Christians have a much higher, more
loving, Spirit-filled Life to manifest.

We cannot support the concept of the reconstructionists who insist
that the Mosaic Law (all of it) should be over the constitutions of
the nations of the globe! We have mixed in other days with
Dominionists, and they intend to restructure society, enforcing the
Mosaic Law, even to the stoning laws, the death penalty for
disobedient children, the death penalty for adultery, they want to
enforce the death penalty for women who have abortions, enforcing
worship of God etc., etc.

This is the understanding that fundamentalists have taught through the
time I have been a Christian:

We are neither JUSTIFIED by keeping the Law, or SANCTIFIED by keeping
the Law. We must not teach salvation by law, nor sanctification by the
law, bringing people again into bondage to law, when we are DEAD to it
altogether! Surely Romans 7 teaches this! Just to mention verse 6
alone, "But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead in
which we were held, that we should SERVE IN NEWNESS OF SPIRIT AND NOT
IN THE OLDNESS OF THE LETTER".

What about verse 4?
"Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the
body of Christ, that ye should be married to another, even to him who
is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God."

No more works of the law, but a life in the Spirit under the law of
Christ, fruit of the very Life of Christ lived out through us.



THE TEST OF THE GOSPEL IS GRACE.
This fearful comment was made by Scofield, which must be said... "If
the message excludes grace, or mingles law with grace as the means
either of justification OR SANCTIFICATION (Galatians 2:21; 3:1-3), or
denies the fact or guilt of sin which alone gives grace its occasion
or opportunity, it is another gospel, and the preacher of it is under
the anathema of God."The New Testament message on salvation and the
Christian walk is very different indeed to the Old Testament. The book
of Hebrews keeps saying þbetter thingsþ than the old, doesn't it?
Hebrews 10 shows from verse 1 on to verse 18 that the new Christian
way is better, right on to, "I will put my laws into their hearts, and
in their minds will I write them". (Read also Matthew 5:43-48).

Acts 15 does not stress a message that should go to the Churches to
encourage Gentiles to begin to meditate on God's O.T. laws! As some
are contending now, in these days of the Great Falling Away. Verses 19
and 24 clearly show that just the opposite was intended.

The discussion is, are the Gentile believers under the law, not for
salvation, just are they UNDER THE LAW to live by it.

"Wherefore, my judgement (sentence) is, that we trouble not them, who
from the Gentiles are turned to God; Forasmuch as we have heard that
certain who went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting
your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, AND KEEP THE LAW, to whom
WE GAVE NO SUCH COMMAND," The passage was about more than
circumcision, it was about not being offensive to believing Jews, to
show love and understanding toward them (vv. 20-21; 28-29; Rom.
14:12-17; 1 Cor. 8:1-13).



THE BODY OF CHRIST MUST PREACH REPENTANCE &
THE REMISSION OF SINS IN CHRIST'S NAME -
BEGINNING AT JERUSALEM.


For those who hear the message of the return of the Messiah without
the preaching of repentance and remission of sins there is every
possibility that when the Antichrist appears on the world scene that
they will embrace him as their Messiah. Sadly there are those who are
calling the Lord Jesus Christ THE MESSIAH, when He is THE SAVIOUR of
all men who turn to Him. He is NOT the Christians Messiah, He is
Saviour and Lord.

That Jesus Christ is Ha Mashiach - the Anointed One - could have only
one application - and that is to Israel, not to any gentile or gentile
nation. The writings of the Old Testament Prophets, particularly
Isaiah foretell of the promised Messiah. (Isa.7:14; 9:6&7; 11:1&2.)
Note Isa.9:7 - the throne of David, also mentioned in Revelation
22:16.

To the Jew, He is their Messiah - the Son of God; to the Jew and
Gentile believer in the Lord Jesus Christ's finished work on the cross
- we are His bride. Israel - in the main- is still looking for the
appearing of their conquering Messiah, whereas we, as the bride are
looking for our Bridegroom.

We should never allow ourselves to be drawn back under the mantle of
Jewish folly and still be looking for the Messiah.

In Romans 8:15 the Apostle Paul explains -
"For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye
have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father."

ABBA, FATHER - Paul employs these two words - Syriac and Greek - the
one taken from the language in use among the Jews, the other from that
of the Gentiles - to show that there is no longer any distinction
between the Jew and the Greek, and that all believers, in every
nation, may address God as their Father in their own language.

Therefore, if we are Australian, German, Russian, Indian or Jewish
Christians, we are co-heirs with Christ, by adoption and certainly He
is not our Y'shua Ha Mashiach, but in our language in which we were
born - Jesus Christ, in the case of English speaking nations. The
Anointed One has come to His own, but his own received him not. (John
1:11), He has done the works His Father sent Him to do and is now
seated in glory at His Father's right hand until the church is
completed.

We cannot sever our Hebrew/Jewish roots because we, as gentiles -
never had any. The covenant made with Abraham in Genesis 17:4-6 -
"As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a
father of many nations. Neither shall thy name any more be called
Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations
have I made thee. And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will
make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee." Then in V.19
-
"And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou
shalt call his name Isaac; and I will establish MY COVENANT WITH HIM
for an ever-lasting covenant, and with his seed after him."

Abraham was a gentile - the first Jew was Isaac and only those who can
trace their genealogy back to Isaac and Jacob can qualify as true
Israelites. We, as Jew and Gentile Christians have been adopted into
God's family and have no need to sever any roots because that was
accomplished at the Cross -old things have passed away - all things
have been made new - new creatures in Jesus Christ.



LAW AND GRACE.
Few Christians are familiar with this topic. Those that have heard of
law and grace tend to put it into the category of a stale theological
subject. Nothing could be further from the truth! Law and grace is
something that we are living every day, whether we know it or not. Law
and grace involves how we are approaching our entire Christian lives,
and the effects are far-reaching and profound.

Let's clarify the issue. In the simplest of terms, this is what law
and grace is all about: LAW AND GRACE IS THE ISSUE OF GOD'S
ACCEPTANCE. In other words, on what basis is a man made acceptable to
God? There are only three possible answers. Man is made (or tries to
make himself) acceptable to God by law, by grace, or by a third,
hybrid means called Galatianism. Let's look at each of them in turn.





LAW.
Man is responsible to MAKE HIMSELF acceptable to God by his work. You
are accepted by God according to what you do or don't do. You can
easily identify law by the presence of a small two-letter word: IF. IF
you do this, then God will accept you. Obviously the opposite must
also be true: If you don't, He won't.God's special relationship with
the nation of Israel, called the Old Covenant or the law, began with
this condition:Now IF YOU OBEY ME FULLY AND KEEP MY COVENANT, then out
of all nations you will be My treasured possession. Although the whole
earth is Mine, you will be for Me a kingdom of priests and a holy
nation. (Exodus 19:5,6). (Sounds like a marriage vow doesn't it?)



GRACE
God gives to man a standing of total acceptance as a GIFT through
Jesus Christ. Man's work in no way contributes to God's acceptance of
him. Once Jesus was asked,
"What must we do to do the works God requires?" Jesus answered,
"The work of God is this: to believe in the One He has sent." (John
6:28,29).
BY FAITH AND FAITH ALONE A MAN
RECEIVES THE GIFT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS IN CHRIST:




"It is because of Him that you are in Christ Jesus, WHO HAS BECOME FOR
US wisdom from God - that is, OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS, HOLINESS, AND
REDEMPTION" (1 Corinthians 1:30).

Ephesians 2:8,9 is as direct a statement as you can find in the Bible:
"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith - and it is not
from yourselves, it is the gift of God - not by works, so that no one
can boast."






GALATIANISM.
The attempt to mingle law and grace. Galatianism takes many forms, but
sooner or later it always ends up in a meaningless contradiction:
"God's grace has made it possible for man to WORK FOR His acceptance
and forgiveness or God loves us unconditionally IF we keep all the
rules." Law is the realm of what you EARN by your performance. Grace
is the realm of receiving a FREE GIFT. How could you ever mingle the
two?
While there were some general purposes of the law of Moses, such as to
provide civil laws without which no society can function, its most
important purposes relate to leading men to salvation.





First...THE LAW DEFINES SIN.
Romans 4:15 says
"....where there is no law there is no transgression'.

In other words, you can't break a law that doesn't exist. Policemen
couldn't pull you over and give you a ticket for speeding if the state
did not have published and posted speed-limit laws. That's why

Romans 5:13 says,
"For before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not
taken into account when there is no law."





Second... THE LAW CONVICTS MEN OF THEIR GUILT
AND NEED FOR SALVATION.
The question is, Who will ever come to a Saviour? The answer: only
someone who knows he needs to be saved. The major purpose for which
God gave the law was to convince men of their lost condition so that
they would be prepared to accept Jesus Christ as Saviour.

It is very surprising to many people to discover that THE PURPOSE OF
THE LAW WAS NEVER TO MAKE A MAN RIGHT WITH GOD. All the law can do is
to declare a standard and condemn a person for failure. It's just like
a mirror. A mirror can show you that your face is dirty, but it cannot
wash your face for you.

Why did God give a law that would kill and condemn men? many people
ask. He did it to kill and condemn. When the law brings about death
and condemnation, it is doing its job. That's what it is SUPPOSED to
do. Because God is cruel? No! Because it is a necessary ministry to
bring us to the salvation given through Jesus Christ!

Galatians 3:23,24 puts it this way: Before this faith came, we were
held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed.
SO THE LAW WAS PUT IN CHARGE TO LEAD US TO CHRIST that we might be
justified by FAITH.

Once we have come to this point, what further role does the law have
in our lives? None! It has done its job! Its purpose was to drive us
to Christ, and it has done so. "Now that faith has come, WE ARE NO
LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE LAW"[Galatians 3:25).

Question -
But aren't nine of the Ten Commandments restated in the New Testament?
The New Testament is full of commands. What is the difference between
those and being under the law?

Answer -
What we have to realise is that a law is not just a command. It is
always a command WITH A PENALTY ATTACHED. For example, the speed law
is not just 'You shall not drive over 55 miles per hour.' It is 'You
shall not drive over 55, and if you do, you will pay a fine of up to
$200.'

Right and wrong are still right and wrong because that is a reflection
of God's character, and He doesn't change. But the difference is this:
Under the law "the wages of sin is death" (Romans 6:23); but
"There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ
Jesus" (Romans 8:1).

That's one reason why the commands in the New Testament are not laws.
The second reason is that we are not obeying those New Testament
commands in order to be accepted by God. Under LAW, a man works in
order to be accepted by God. Under GRACE, a man serves because he is
ALREADY accepted by God!

Under law you never experience peace or rest in the Christian life.
Why? Because your work is never done. A þspiritual restlessnessþ
results, where you are always looking for the þsomething moreþ that
will transform your Christian life into reality. It's always around
the corner: at the next seminar, in the next book, in finding that
spiritual EXPERIENCE - never resting in Christ Himself who lives in
you, who has already done it all, who has already given you everything
you need.

Have you ever heard anyone say...
"I've had it! I quit! I am sick to death of the love and grace of God.
I'm sick of other Christians loving and accepting me. I'm giving up
this Christian life".

However, you couldn't count the number of Christians who have given up
because of being under law, who have been broken by the crushing
burden of trying to be good enough to earn God's acceptance, who have
been mangled by the competition, the judging and the demands to
conform to some group's standards.

The love of God in our hearts produces a response that is as
irresistible as music to our bodies. Presenting our minds and bodies
to an indwelling Lord who loves us perfectly becomes a joy. The
Christian life doesn't feel unnatural when your mind is full of God's
grace; it feels truly natural for the first time.

This isn't to imply that there's no struggle or no need to exercise
our wills. The flesh continues to set its desire against the Spirit,
and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one
another, so that you may not do the things that you please (Galatians
5:17).

"But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire
of the flesh". (Galatians 5:16).

Notice that it didn't say that the desires of the flesh will go away.
As long as we live in fallen bodies, we will feel that influence. It
also didn't say þClean up the flesh, and then you'll be spiritual.þ It
seems that vast amounts of Christian teaching is saying this very
thing. It can never work.

You can work throughout your life and never get the flesh cleaned up.
Christ didn't come to improve the flesh; He came to execute it and to
give us new life. Trying to clean ourselves up is merely returning to
the law - the ultimate exercise in futility. God's love working in our
hearts deals with us on a level of sensitivity that neither the law
nor self-discipline can ever reach.

The law requires punishment which is imposed on an offender for a
crime or wrongdoing. It has retribution in view (paying someone back
what he deserves) rather than correction - isn't that the case with
our lawlessness today? More laws or putting society back under the Old
Testament Laws will not solve the problem.

Discipline on the other hand, is totally different. Discipline is
TRAINING that develops self-control, character and ability. It is
looking FORWARD to a beneficial result, is very PERSONAL, and is in
continuous exercise.

As we see lawlessness abounding and escalating in the world today with
all the cruelty, degradation and spiritual and physical poverty of
mankind, the stage is set for the appearance of The Lawless One. He
will bring in the ultimate slavery to the law in the mark of the
beast.

There is nothing NEW about the message of God's grace. When it is
shared straight and undiluted, it transforms lives in the same
dramatic way as it did in the early days after Pentecost. The problem
is not with the message, it is with US. WE have strayed away from the
fullness of Christ into modernism, religion and legalism.






References:
Law and Grace excerpts from Bob George's Classic Christianity Harvest
House Publishers - Eugene, Oregon.
*Despatch gratefully acknowledges the input of J. Swan in the
preparing of this article.





What is the Jewish Talmud,
& can Christians use it as an Addition
to the Old Testament Scriptures?
The following brief comments on the Talmud have been researched from
the article from Biblical Fundamentalist, Feb. 15th, 1994. Aust.
The Talmud is believed by orthodox Jews to have been given by God to
Moses on Mt. Sinai. They are really oral laws handed down through the
centuries, right from Moses, to Christ and far beyond! The first and
original writings were named Mishnah. Later a commentary on the
Mishnah was produced called the Gemara . Now, both are called the
Talmud, the word Talmud means instruction.
Most Jews are not religious and know little about the shocking
teachings of the Talmud. Today the New Testament is banned in the
State of Israel, but the Talmud is declared by the religious Jews to
be from God, totally binding and authoritative. It is even higher in
authority than the Old Testament! There are two main Talmuds, the
Palestine Talmud and the second, the Babylonian Talmud, the latter
being the most authoritative in Rabbi eyes.

A FEW QUOTATIONS
DIRECTLY FROM THE BABYLONIAN TALMUD.
"...it will reveal WHY the clash between our Lord
and these rabbinical imposters and charlatans....".

RABBIS AND TALMUD ARE BELIEVED
TO BE GREATER THAN GOD.
"The commands of the Rabbis are more important than the commands of
the Bible..." (Erubin 21b. pp.149-150).
"God intervenes in a Rabbinical dispute and is logically defeated by a
Rabbi. God proclaims the Rabbi the victor in the debate." (Baba Mezia,
59b, p. 353).
"The Rabbis are greater than the prophets". (Baba Bathra, 12a,p.59).

WHAT ABOUT SALVATION IN THE TALMUD?
"Canaanites who live in Israel will have eternal life." (Kethuboth
111a, p.717).
"He who recites Psalm 145 three times a day will have eternal life."
(Pesahim 113a, p.582).
"Israel's sins were atoned for by the cloths of the high priest".
(Zebahim 88b, p.419).
"Living in the land of Israel gives one eternal life". (Pesahim 113a,
p582).

THE TALMUD AND JESUS AND MARY.
"Jesus was a bastard born of adultery." (Yebamoth 49b, p.324).
"Mary was a whore: Jesus (Balaam) was an evil man." (Sanhedrin 106a
&b, p.725).
"Jesus was a magician and a fool. Mary was an adulteress". (Shabbath
104b, p.504).

WHAT ABOUT THE TALMUD & THE CHRISTIANS?
"Christians are allied with Hell, and Christianity is worse than
incest". (Abodah Zarah 17a, p.85).
"WHEN MESSIAH COMES HE WILL DESTROY THE CHRISTIANS". (Sanhedrin
99a,p.668).
"Those who read the Gospels are doomed to Hell". (Sanhedrin 90a, 100b,
pp.601-602, 680).

THE TALMUD ON SEXUAL PERVERSION.
"It is permitted to have sexual intercourse with a girl three years
old and one day" (Sanhedrin 55b,p.376).
"...intercourse with a dead woman is apparently permissible".
(Yebamoth 55b, p.371).
"Sexual intercourse with a girl less than three is 'nothing'"
(Kethuboth 11b, p.58).
"If a man commits sodomy with a boy less than nine years old, they are
both guilty of sodomy" (Sanhedrin 54b, 55a, p.371).

OUR DUTY TO ISRAEL REMAINS THE SAME.
"Christians must remember that the Gospel is still for the Jew first"
(Romans 1:16; Acts 13:44-48; 18:5-6).
"We must love our great Hebrew friends and neighbours and seek with
all our hearts to bring them to know the Lord Jesus Christ. Who is the
literal promised Messiah of their Old Testament, the Saviour of all
who trust Him."



DESPATCH COMMENT:
How DARE some 'Christian' groups refuse to preach the Gospel to the
Jews because it might offend them!!!!
We have heard of a certain well-known witness to Israel which insists
that all who go with them to Israel MUST NOT MENTION JESUS CHRIST OR
THE GOSPEL. Now God will one day call these people to account for the
loss of precious souls who have gone to a Christless eternity.
A well-known leader of this 'embassy' told a pastor that he could not
preach Christ Jesus because the dear Jews cringe when the name JESUS
is spoken!

With the above from the Talmud, no wonder!



Is There A Future in God for ISRAEL?
The Bible abounds with marvellous prophecies and promises to the Jews.
These chosen people of God have a magnificent future which will be to
the Glory of the Almighty. BUT NOT YET, the purposes of God are
revealed in scripture, and we are not at liberty to twist scripture to
suit our own scenarios.

The Jewish nation has to pass through a terrible time of discipline
and purging, before the Lord can restore the land and reinstate the
Throne of David. THE TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE is the period called þthe
tribulationþ. In this period, multitudes of Jews will receive Christ
as Messiah and Saviour. 144,000 of these, virgin evangelists, will
preach the Gospel of Christ to suffering sinners. (Read... Zech.
12:10-13:1; Rev. ch. 7).

When Christ Returns, at His Second Coming, after He has dealt with the
rebellious nations of the world, He will set in place the restored
nation of Israel, and rule the earth from the Throne of David.


READ ABOUT THE FINAL RESTORATION OF ISRAEL,~
About the Lord's Second Advent, and the re-establishment of the Throne
of David in AMOS 9:11-15. Compare the verses in the New Testament,
Acts 15:13-18.



THIS WILL ALL HAPPEN AFTER THE CHURCH AGE!
Note: verse 14,
"to visit the Gentiles to take out of them a people for his
name."(refers to the Church Age, up to the Rapture). Verse 16, "After
this I will return..." (refers to the Second Advent).

THEN will Christ Himself build again the tabernacle of David. It would
seem to me as foolish to try to restore Israel and rebuild the Temple
as it is to try to save the earth and restore the environment.

CHRIST JESUS HIMSELF will handle all that, Praise His Name! The Jews
at this period NEED THE GOSPEL. DO YOU LOVE THEM ENOUGH TO PREACH IT?




Jubilee Celebrations of The World Council of Churches.
From their own material...p.21...Despatch
Comments added by J. Swan re the Jews

*From their own material
No World Council of Churches Assembly takes place in a vacuum. It
will be important in preparing for the Eighth Assembly to take into
account other contemporary appropriations of the jubilee theme; other
commemorations and anniversaries and the inevitable symbolic
significance that will come to be attached to the approach of the year
2000.

The first of these is linked in an Asian-African proposal for a
'Jubilee in 1998' marking the 500th anniversary of the voyage of Vasco
de Gama to Asia via the Cape of Good Hope. An extensive research
project on the effects of colonialism and neo-colonialism in these two
continents - both in terms of environmental damage and the human cost
- has already been outlined for this campaign, which proposes to
demand cancellation of debt, restoration of land and reparation for
what was taken.

The pronounced interest here in reviving the social, economic and
ecological implications of the biblical jubilee motif mirrors the
continuing interest in Latin America, following 1992 commemorations of
the 500th anniversary of the voyage of Columbus, in specifically
applying the jubilee principle to the cancellation of debts as a
central biblical perspective of hope.

Two recent national-level jubilee experiences also merit evaluation in
terms of how the jubilee motif can strike root beyond a small circle
of the initiated:

*Korean churches have been engaged in a visible campaign to designate
1995 - fifty years after the division of the country following World
War II - as a jubilee year for reunification.

*In 1991, the 700th anniversary of the Swiss Confederation, churches
and Christian groups in the country called for a symbolic act of
reparation and cancellation of debt using jubilee imagery.

*Christian attention to the year 2000 is likely to focus on its
celebration within the Roman Catholic Church as a 'holy year' and, to
a lesser extent, on a number of evangelistic projects and schemes
seeking to 'reach the whole world' by that year. (Konrad Raiser).

*additions by J. Swan



Year of Jubilee comments -


The Sabbath Years and the Year of Jubilee are set forth in Leviticus
25:1-55 and contains one of the most sophisticated pieces of social
legislation to emerge from the ancient world. Much of its intent was
to eliminate poverty, as is explicitly stated in the parallel in
Deut.15:4,5. No evidence exists that the system was ever fully
implemented, but had it been, Israel's history would have been far
different. The provisions of the chapter prevent overworking the land,
call for regular land redistribution and forbid perpetual servitude.

Years are divided into groups of seven, with the seventh as a
sabbatical year (year of rest). No farming was to be done on that year
(Lev.25:3-5), debts were to be cancelled (Deut. 15:2), and indentured
servants were to go free (Deut. 15:12-15). This cycle was to repeat
itself seven times, for a total of forty-nine years. The next year was
to be a special one called Jubilee. What was true during a sabbatical
year applied to this year also, but in addition all real estate,
except that within walled cities, automatically reverted to the family
to which it had originally been assigned. Servants were to be
released, because all Israelites already belonged to God as His
servants - as in the rescue from Egypt. The land was to be redeemed
regularly, because it actually belonged to God, not Israel (Lev.
25:23,24). That some Israelites, even centuries later, regarded the
keeping of ancestral real estate in the family as a sacred duty can be
seen in Naboth's reason for his refusal to sell King Ahab his vineyard
(Kings 21:3).

The employment of God's commands to Israel are once again being
applied to the gentile nations. It all sounds rather gratuitous and
patronising. It is puzzling as to just what the world powers have in
view when such generous offers are made to all those nations who are
heavily indebted to the International Monetary Fund and/or the World
Bank.

It is acknowledged that ex President Ferdinand Marcos was offered a
way out of the debt of the Philippines - debt for equity swap - in
that he would sign over all natural resources of his country IN
PERPETUITY, implement a cashless society with all citizens issued with
a debit card. Thereafter, the nation would be permanently in debt to
the World Money Controllers with no hope of ever redeeming themselves.

It is known that they rulers of this present darkness are endeavouring
to bring in the New World Order - Political, Social and Religious by
the year 2000 (man proposes, but God disposes). Therefore it is not
surprising to see these 'Jubilee Themes' being proposed as a most
benevolent move, firstly through the churches and eventually through
the One World Government.

"The contrast of what they are proposing does not even come near the
Biblical meaning.
This is heresy. " J.S.



Note: Expose re the False Jubliee was done by Alabama Discernment
Ministries
[ E. & M. Tarkowski] in Despatch Vol.7:3...



Extract .....Vol. 6:3. (Sep. '1994)...p.51-52

Which Temple at Jerusalem? & When will it be set up?
To save confusion about the Biblical teaching concerning THE TEMPLE AT
JERUSALEM, we could do well by summarizing the temple teaching to make
things clear.

We recommend the Biblical notes of Clarence Larkin, also the Bible
study course by Alfred Thompson Eade, on these subjects.





WHAT ABOUT THE TEMPLE THAT IS BEING PLANNED
IN JERUSALEM RIGHT NOW!

This temple will be completed, according to Biblical prophesy. Read
Rev. 11:1-14. There you will note that an Angel told John to rise and
measure the temple. This was not the Temple of Herod, for this had
been destroyed by Titus 25 years before the writing of Revelation. It
was clearly a future temple to be built at Jerusalem. It is prophesied
that there will be a temple at Jerusalem during the reign of
Antichrist, there has to be because he will SIT in it, and there
PROCLAIM HIMSELF TO BE GOD. (11 Thess. 2:3-4). And then he will cause
what is known as THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION written about by Daniel
(Dan. 9:27) which is most certainly, to be installed in God's HOLY
PLACE. (Matt. 24:15).





IS THIS TEMPLE ALSO THE TEMPLE
OF THE MILLENNIAL REIGN OF CHRIST?
NO! This is NOT the same temple, as described by Ezekiel(Ezk. 4:1;
42:20) That temple will be built at Shiloh [see diagram], in the Midst
of the Holy Oblation (Ezek. 48:8; 21).





WHEN WILL THE TEMPLE OF CHRIST BE BUILT THEN?
It will not be built until after physical changes have happened to the
earth and the Land of Palestine, these will take place at the return
of Christ to the Mount of Olives. (Zech. 14:4).



WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE TEMPLE
THE JEWS ARE WANTING TO BUILD NOW?
It will probably be destroyed by the mighty earthquake that destroys
the tenth part of the City, the earthquake that will occur at the
breaking of the Seventh Seal, the sounding of the Seventh Trumpet, and
the pouring out of the Seventh Vial. (Read Rev. 8:5; 11:19; 16:18).



WHAT WILL THE TEMPLE OF THE LORD BE LIKE,
& WHY WILL IT BE BUILT AT SHILOH?
If you will read the prophesy in Ezek. 48:10, 20, 21, you will see
that the `Temple' or Sanctuary will not be built in the New City. It
will be built in the midst, in the middle, of the Holy Oblation. It
will be located at or near Shiloh, the area where the Children of
Israel conquered the Land, there the Tabernacle rested until the
Temple of Solomon was finished. The Sanctuary and its area will be a
glorious place, a Highway will lead from the Sanctuary to the New
City. (Isaiah 35:8). This will be a breath-taking boulevard, lined
with magnificent trees, stretching 12 miles long!

This Temple Ezekiel describes will occupy a space of 500 reeds on a
side, or nearly a mile square. (Ezek. 42:15-20). Read Zechariah 14:8
for the prophecy of the LIVING WATERS that will flow in THAT DAY, the
Millennial Day.



WHAT PHYSICAL CHANGES WILL HAPPEN
WHEN CHRIST RETURNS TO THE HOLY LAND?
The Prophet Zechariah describes the stupendous scene in Zech. 14:4,
10, 11.

"His (the Lord Jesus Christ's) feet shall stand in THAT DAY upon the
Mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east and the Mount
of Olives shall Cleave in the Midst Thereof Toward the East and Toward
the West, and There Shall Be a Very Great Valley; and Half of the
Mountain Shall Remove Toward the North and Half of It Toward the
South. ...All the Land Shall be Turned as Plain From Geba to Rimmon
South of Jerusalem; and it SHALL BE LIFTED UP AND INHABITED."



.
HOW CAN SUCH CHANGES TAKE PLACE?
They will probably happen because of earth-quakes and volcanos
erupting. An astonishing prophecy in Micah 1:3,4 says it all:

"Behold, the Lord cometh forth out of His place, and will come down,
and tread upon the high places of the earth. And the mountains shall
be MOLTEN UNDER HIM, and the VALLEYS shall be CLEFT AS WAX BEFORE THE
FIRE, and as the WATERS THAT ARE POURED DOWN A STEEP PLACE."

The Lord Jesus Christ, Mighty in Power, needs no man or group to
assist Him as He brings His earthly Kingdom. The New City will be
established on a Land which has had the land surface of Palestine
levelled, and the Dead Sea will be raised, so that its waters can flow
into both the Red Sea and the Mediterranean.



JERUSALEM WILL BE CALLED A NEW NAME IN THE MILLENNIUM REIGN.
Ezekiel writes that the name that Jerusalem will be called in That Day
will be JEHOVAH-SHAMMAH, meaning THE LORD IS THERE - PRAISE HIS NAME.
(Ezek.48:35).





THE LAND OF PALESTINE WILL BE A LAND OF PEACE AND FERTILITY.
"It shall come to pass in THAT DAY (the Millennial Reign, not NOW)
that the mountains shall drop new wine, and the hills shall flow with
milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a
fountain shall come forth of the House of the Lord, and shall water
the Valley of Shittim, the country about the Dead Sea." Joel 3:18.



THE JEWS WERE SLOW AT HEART, ARE WE ALSO SLOW AT HEART?
The prophets foretold the terrible suffering of Christ, the Jew's
Messiah, in the Old Testament passages of scripture. The Jews should
have realized who Christ Jesus was, but they were slow of heart. We
might be rather superior in our outlook towards those who did not know
that the Messiah would suffer and die for the sin of the world. We
might say, þbut did not the scriptures show plainly what would occur?
Surely the greater reproach is due to those Christians who, NOW, do
not believe that the Son of God will come again, in the clouds of
heaven, with power and great glory. We find the first Advent, with its
prophetic fulfilment, easy to believe, because it has already
happened, not because we believed the foretelling of the Old Testament
prophets. We cannot reproach the Jews for their unbelief in New
Testament times, without considering whether we would have been any
better. It is sinful mankind per se that is at fault, not just the
Chosen Race.

To spiritualize scripture, in the midst of unequivocal predictions
about the Second Advent of Christ, is certainly equally blindness on
the part of the Christian Church. Many Christians are blinded to the
predictions of Christ Jesus' EARTHLY GLORY, by the above. In other
words, just as the ancient scribes told the people that it was foolish
to interpret the prophecies about the SUFFERINGS of the Messiah
literally, so today modern þscribes and Phariseesþ are telling the
people that the prophecies of the Lord Jesus Christ's EARTHLY GLORY
are not to be taken literally.





THE TWO ADVENTS.
There are two lines of prophecy which foretell the Messiah's Coming.
These lines appear to be in total contrast. ONE BODY OF PREDICTIONS
SPEAK OF SORROW, HUMILIATION, GRIEF AND DEATH. This was the FIRST
ADVENT.

THE SECOND ADVENT PREDICTIONS SPEAK OF SPLENDOUR, A RESISTLESS
SOVEREIGN, of judgement of the earth, the regathering of Israel and
the restoration of THE THRONE OF DAVID. ARE YOU STILL IN BLINDNESS,
dear reader?

As so many of the Jews were at the FIRST COMING OF THE SON OF GOD?





FIRST ADVENT PREDICTIONS: Isa. 53; Isa. 7:14; Ps. 22:1-18; Dan.9:26;
Zech.13:6,7; Mark 14:27.



SECOND ADVENT PREDICTIONS: Isa.11: 1,2,10-12; Deut.30:1-7; Isa.9:6,7;
Isa.24:21-23; Isa.40:9-11; Dan.7:13,14; Micah 5:2; Matt.1:1; Matt.2:2;
Luke 1:31-33; Jer.23:5-8.


*diagrams reprinted with permission of the Clarence Larkin Estate...
but remain copyrighted and cannot be reprinted with out permission...
apologies for poor readable quality...email us for further enquries re
obtaining them*

*Shiloh Diagram

* Read the other articles in later issues of Despatch *


Don Stanton & Marantha Revival Crusade
With some pain, and with deeply felt gratitude for the wonderful work
done for many years by Don Stanton of Maranatha Revival Crusade,
Despatch and its accountability structure, must make comment on some
of the changes which have happened to this fine ministry. In no way do
we wish to wilfully cause damage to personalities, only to alert
others in these terrible days of doctrinal deceptions. Of all the
Christian ministries throughout my many years as a believer, Maranatha
Revival Crusade has been one of the ministries I have most respected.
Don has reached so many with the Gospel, and has alerted hundreds of
thousands to the dangers of the NWO.

With the above comments always in mind, Despatch must deal with the
recent changes which we feel are becoming unacceptable. Maranatha
Revival Crusade's, World Report, No. 103, page 41-43 has brought out a
number of answers to questions which some puzzled believers have been
asking. Don has said, in essence, that he is not Judaizing the
Christian message and Churches. Before hand, we and others had written
to Don making comment. The answers are fine in World Report, but the
strange thing is that Don Stanton SAYS certain things, but other books
he endorses, mainly by the group called Tishrei, give other, opposite
views. What is going on? No reply had come from Don in regard to our
letter, sent with other people's letters and material.

The Book of Hebrews, a new version called A Clear, Preferred Version,
compiled by Don Stanton from every version imaginable, (including the
Catholicised, New International), which even changes the Lord Jesus
Christ's name to Y'shua, is astonishing!

What next! Don Stanton is rewriting the Bible! On page 49 of this new
Epistle to the Hebrews, Don suggests that Pastors make Saturday their
Rest Day, or Sabbath. There are no formal instructions to do so, but
there is a decidedly Jewish, Old Testament flavour to the whole thing,
a suggestion that keeping a Sabbath would be advantageous.

Don states on page 41 of "World Report" that,
"We are Not going back under the Law of Moses."






Compare with the book `Law and Grace' from Maranatha, page 47:

"We are free to grow in grace and truth, towards the only true life of
grace, when we are completely submitted to God and our walk in the
Holy Spirit. YET THE LAW has a part to play alongside this as we
mature in the life of grace, when we are completely submitted to God
and our walk in the Holy Spirit."
Page 46 of Law and Grace plainly states:
"The rest of us have a fallen nature which contests our spiritual
life, even after we have made our commitment to the Lord and received
the blessing of salvation... Everything of the flesh is open to
deception and corruption and MUST COME UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE LAW."

Page 47: of "Law and Grace"...
"Indeed, at the end we will say, by the grace of God, þLord I love
Your Torah!...The heart of the Torah (the O.T. Law) reflects the heart
of God and should also reflect our own heart's condition...The deep
roots of the Christian faith will reach down and discover the heart of
the Torah of God."

The Torah is THE LAW of the Old Testament. If this is not going back
under the law, then I cannot imagine what WOULD BE! No, not for
salvation, but going back under the Law as a control for our Christian
WALK after we are saved! This is Judaizing! THE LAW for
sanctification.

To be under the Law is not freedom in Christ Jesus our Lord, it is to
be in bondage to become a debtor to keep the whole of the Mosaic Law.
It is a strong form of legalism which was written about in the book of
Galatians.

It is, as Wilmington's Bible Commentary puts it:
"To put oneself back under the law means to deny the sweet and sure
control of God's grace!"

I, for one, will not trade the blessed yoke of Christ Jesus, for the
burden of the yoke of the Law. What a contrast.

JESUS CHRIST SAYS:
"Come unto to me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will
give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek
and lowly in heart; and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my
yoke is easy, and my burden is light." Matt. 11 :28-39.










COMPARE THE YOKE OF THE LAW:
"Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the
disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?" Acts
15:10. Read Acts 15:5 for yourselves.

"Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us
free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage." Galatians
5:1.

I shuddered to read on

page 44 of World Report, No. 103:
"But, Y'shua-There's just something about that name! Master, Saviour,
Y'shua, Like the fragrance after the rain. Y'shua! Let all heaven and
earth proclaim. Kings and kingdoms will all pass away, But there's
always something about THAT original Name."

What is going on, Don? Is this another` Jesus', a spirit, dare I say
it?

It seems that Don is writing a WHOLE new version of God's Word, a
whole new Bible, the Clear Preferred Version, C.P.V.! He quotes form
HIS version all the time in his Prophetic Alerts. He has diligently
compared the Greek text AND has, he says, written with weight placed
on the Greek Textus Receptus. Well, that is great, some of it is not
from the occult or Catholic versions!













TISHREI, the Christian/Jewish organisation which Don Stanton has
enthusiastically joined forces with, is causing concern to Christians
in some quarters, ourselves as well! A difficult group to write about
as the material sent out by these people is heavy with Judaism and
Hebrew phrases and words. There is little doubt that the return to the
Old Testament and the Hebrew which is marking the MRC booklets has its
source in TISHREI. Perhaps it would be wise to summarise the þchangesþ
which Tishrei is bringing in.


Tishrei and MRC are stating that Christians should return to their
Jewish roots.
They are stating that the Mosaic Law is the control under which the
Christian should live. (NOT be saved by, but should be disciplined
by).
They are intimating that the name Lord Jesus Christ is not the real
name of the Lord, but that Y'shua is.
Tishrei and [ MRC ? ] state that it could be time to drop these titles
also - Church could become something like Fellowship of Believers,
Christian could become People of the Way or Believers in Yeshua the
Messiah. Says Clifford Denton, Editor-in-chief of Tishrei, Adolf
Hitler was a 'Christian'; I can understand why believing Jews do not
refer to themselves as Christian. (The Name Above All Names, p 37)

A plethora of Judaizing is advocated by Tishrei and Don Stanton's MRC,
yet Don continues to deny this obvious fact. Don decries complaints
that he is Judaizing Christians, yet he has departed from the plain,
unadorned faith in Christ Jesus and the New Testament, which is better
than the Old, by the following Jewish innovation:

Tishrei itself is a ministry to converted Jews, which seeks to make
newly converted Jews þcomfortableþ in Christianity. But why SHOULD
they change Christianity back to Judaism! Next thing we'll know is
that evangelists will want to make Hindu converts comfortable, so they
will change Jesus Christ's glorious name to Kali, and the church to
ashram, and pastor to guru. Not the same as Y'shua? True, Kali is
pagan and evil, but our Christian titles are very important to us all.
Can you imagine standing in Church and singing, "What a Friend we have
in Y'shua". Or singing, "The People of the Way's one foundation is
Y'shua."

TISHREI and Don Stanton insist that Christians return to their Jewish
roots. The front of books sent by Tishrei have a modern version verse
from the book of Romans, which gives quite a different meaning from
the KJV. In essence it suggests that Christians DRAW THEIR SPIRITUAL
NOURISHMENT FROM THE ROOT OF JUDAISM, whilst the KJV clearly shows
that both Christianity and the Jews draw their spiritual nourishment
from CHRIST JESUS who is the GOOD OLIVE TREE. COMPARE TISHREI'S COVER
VERSE WITH KJV VERSE - ROMANS 11:17

Tishrei: "...you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in
among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive
root..."

KJV: "And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a
wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and WITH THEM partakest
of the root and fatness of the olive tree."

The reader can see that the first quote from Tishrei gives the
impression that Christians get nourishment from þthe olive rootþ which
Tishrei sees as Judaism. Whilst the KJV shows clearly that
Christianity and Judaism BOTH draw from the root of the olive tree,
which root is Christ Jesus our Lord. He is the good olive tree of
Romans 11:24. The Jews could hardly be the broken off branches, AND be
the þgood olive treeþ as well! Especially when they were broken off
because they rejected their Messiah, Christ Jesus.

The olive tree represents the blessings promised to Abraham's seed. He
was a Hebrew. The promise came down history, until Christ Jesus was
born of that line, and IN CHRIST were all families of the earth
blessed. Compare Gen.12:3; Gal.3:6-9 & 13-14.

TISHREI and DON STANTON are bringing bondage to the people of God!
Deliberately? Of course they are not! We need to be much in prayer for
those in leadership, that God would grant to them that they be kept
from deception. Don is right in the front lines of the battle, he is
no doubt very sincere.

In the Tishrei material TALMUDIC quotes appear constantly. Hebrew
phrases, words, feasts, laws, dietary habits, the Sabbath and so on
are stressed overwhelmingly. Why? Because they are seeking to bring
the Christians back to the Jewish roots which do not exist for us! WE
ARE NEW TESTAMENT CHRISTIANS, people. Do not go into bondage again to
the law. In Christ Jesus ALL THINGS ARE MADE NEW.

If Tishrei is NOT doing something þdifferentþ to our Christian faith,
then why do they teach at all? The very fact that Tishrei is teaching
other material from that which is clearly of the Christian faith
surely shows they are teaching something decidedly different, and it
is clear to see it is Judaism!!!!

Don Stanton cannot blithely deny the above, then

suggest pastors should have Saturday as a Sabbath;
suggest we keep Jewish festivals;
suggest we incorporate the Mosaic Law to discipline us;
suggest we might change our name for our Lord to the Hebrew, our
Church and even our NAME CHRISTIAN could be changed;
change the Bible to suit his new Hebrew leanings and allow the Talmud
to be added here and there in the books he recommends, and still say
HE IS NOT JUDAIZING THE CHRISTIANS!
Again we ask for prayer for Don Stanton. The change in the ministry is
disturbing in the extreme. If everyone cancels their subscriptions
because of our stand, then that is their choice, I am sure God will
soon give us other work to do, as this is his work not ours. He will
only reward those who stand for the Truth, either now or in eternity.






SOME QUOTES FROM THE TISHREI MATERIAL
WHICH IS INFLUENCING DON STANTON SO MUCH THESE DAYS:
"...far from labelling Paul as a chauvinist, we might see that his
teaching was a master-piece of interpretation of the law into the age
of grace."
p.90. Tishrei,Ways of Thinking
"Rabbi Meir said, `While the man is in agony, what does the Tongue (a
name for God) say? "...(Sanhedrin 6:5).

* note: This passage really refers to Deuteronomy 21:22-23, which
speaks of a criminal who is being put to death.

"Rabbi Meir expounds the Hebrew words (ki-le-lat' elo-him) as a
painful thing of God, ... The use of simple - to - complex reasoning
is proportionate as frequent in the teaching of Jesus as it is in the
teaching of other Rabbis. The Mishnah is approximately six times the
size of the Gospels..."

The point Despatch wants to make here is that the Tishrei books draw
together the Jewish holy books, the Talmud, the Old Testament and the
New Testament as though they were of equal value. Christ Jesus is even
seen above as one of the Rabbis [He was called `Rabbi' meaning teacher
in the N.T, but He is NOW the High Priest of the Church.]







TISHREI IS LEADING CHRISTIANS AWAY FROM
THE COMPLETED CANON OF SCRIPTURE.
From Rabbinic Judaism as a Background to Scripture p.12.
RABBINIC LITERATURE: A SPIRITUAL TREASURE.
"The sages were the creators of the Old Torah. This literature, still
unwritten in Jesus' day is of great value in understanding Jesus'
sayings. It is also a rich treasure of spiritual wisdom....The first
attempt to commit the Oral Torah to writing is called the Mishnah.
This work was compiled by Rabbi Yehudah ha-Nasi around 200 A.D."






TISHREI WANTS TO MAKE THE TALMUD A CHRISTIAN COMMENTARY
AND CHRIST JESUS A HEBREW MESSIAH, FOR EVERYONE.
Read the quote from page 34 of ... Rabbinical Judaism as a Background
to Scripture:
" Menahem writes,' Is there any likelihood that in this age of
prophetic changes in the Church, in the Jewish people, and in the
nations, an AUTHORITATIVE Jewish component can rise again within the
Church? If only to deal with the peculiarly Jewish issues facing
believers from among JEWS and GENTILES, touching such areas as Jewish
evangelism, the relation TO THE TORAH, RABBINIC TRADITION, CHRISTIAN
tradition within a Jewish context, fellowship, eschatology, the need
for an AUTHORITATIVE grappling with these issues is evident."
Same page, "Church authority was first established in Jerusalem, so in
these days of restoration should we not expect that authority will
return to this city?"
The above quote was announcing a leading article by Menahem Benhayim,
former Israel Secretary of the International Hebrew Christian
(Messianic Jewish) Alliance.

Many more quotes could be given. Now compare these aims with the
prophecies of Rick Joyner, who is a Dominionist who wants to form a
kingdom of God across the planet: "This will be the most glorious
advance that the church is to make before the return of the Lord. THE
JEWS AND THE GENTILES WERE MEANT TO BE ONE LOAF (see Ephesians
2:14-18). The plan will not be complete until they are joined in
Christ. When the times of the Gentiles end it is the beginning of the
times of the Jews and the Gentiles. This period will not be complete
until the barriers of race and prejudice have been overcome and there
is unity between the spiritual and natural seeds of Israel." p.139.

Page 140 of the same book: "When the apostolic ministry has been fully
restored so will the apostolic message concerning Israel be restored:
the grafting back in of the Jew and Israel's role in God's plan for
this day. With this revelation an ILLUMINATION will also come on His
plan for the church which TRANSCENDS that which is PRESENTLY
UNDERSTOOD." (emphasis in both quotes mine.)

Page 141: "Because it is the central purpose of God to reveal His
resistance to the proud, there will also be an increasingly swift
judgement against those who become arrogant toward the natural
branches (the Jews). Romans 11 :18-22. This must be so because of the
significance of what will result when the two olive tress become one.
The joining of the natural and heavenly seeds (the Church and Israel)
will ultimately result in the free interchange between the heavens and
the earth, one day making it possible for God who is spirit to dwell
on earth among men in His fullness."









MAY THE READER UNDERSTAND.
For those who have studied the Biblical plan for the Jews and the
Church, it is very clear that something is seriously amiss in all
this! The subject is vast, there will be books suggested that you may
desire to purchase for deeper understanding. Let us look at Scripture
for truth on these matters.
Firstly the Jewish people:
Nowhere in Scripture does God ever suggest that the converted Jews of
this era will join with the converted Gentiles of this era and made
something completely þnewþ a different þloafþ. When a Jew or Gentile
accepts Christ Jesus as Saviour he/she becomes a member of the
Christian Body of Christ - the Christian Church. Why, the early
disciples were once Jews, when they accepted Christ as Saviour they
became members of His mystical Body. There is no Jew, Gentile or Greek
or Hindu in Christ Jesus, we become one, the wall of partition has
been broken down.
The Jews will not lead the Christians into higher truth about the
Bible through their Oral traditions or holy books. Why? Because the
Canon of Scripture is completed already, and those Jewish writings are
NOT part of that Canon. No one can just add to the Bible - there is a
curse from the Lord about such presumption. Also the Talmud and other
Jewish books contain shockingly ungodly writings. (If you doubt that,
we have copies of some portions which you can read for yourselves.)
The JEWISH NATION is actually the natural branch which will be grafted
back in, not those Jews who accept Christ Jesus as Saviour NOW. When a
Jew receives Christ Jesus, he then becomes a part of the Bride of
Christ who will be Raptured BEFORE God takes up the Jewish nation
again. Israel will be grafted in again after the Church has been taken
away to meet Christ Jesus in the air! So there will be no þnewþ move
of God which will happen because the Gentile believers and the Jewish
believers become one. They are one in Christ from the moment each
receives salvation.
The Jewish converts, with the Rabbis, will not be given by God a new
authority over the Church of Christ Jesus in these Latter Days. The
Jews as a nation have been laid aside until the fullness of the
Gentiles, that is when all the Church has been saved. The Rapture ends
the þfullness of the Gentilesþ. Not to be confused with the times of
the Gentiles which will not be over until the Gentile nations no
longer dominate the earth's system, and the Lord has taken away their
rule.
The bringing of the Mosaic Law over all the nations of the earth as
presented by Tishrei and Don Stanton is a reconstructionist aim -
Dominion Theology. That those who are seeking Dominion are Replacement
Theologians is true, so why does Don Stanton declare that he, himself,
does not believe in Replacement Theology? True, Don does not accept
that the Church is Israel, but he does accept that the nations have
been given the O.T. Law of Moses, which is also Replacement Theology.
The books
"Whatever Happened to Heaven", by Dave Hunt
"Dominion Theology: Blessing or Curse?" Thomas Ice,
both give detailed information about these issues.
From the book by Thomas Ice, page 130:
"CONFUSION OF THE LAW OF GOD. Sometimes theonomists seem to speak of
the law of God as the moral law in the heart of man, whether Israelite
or Gentile, and sometimes as the written law at Sinai. They jump back
and forth between these two with no clarification. It is true that
nations are commanded to be just, but never are specific regulations
given to them as they were to Israel. Paul in Romans 2:14-15 argues
that the nations have a law written in their hearts even though they
do not have the stipulations of the Mosaic law.
Since a law is given within the context of a covenant, the nations
could not be given the Mosaic law since they are not under the
covenant of Sinai; instead they are under the Noahic Covenant....
CHRISTIAN RECONSTRUCT- IONISTS. (Despatch comment, these are
replacement theologians) believe not only that the Mosaic law should
be practiced by individual Christians for sanctification but that
Christians are responsible to have the civil magistrates enforce it in
its detail in each society in which they live."

Don Stanton and M.R.C. is moving away from his original stance as a
pre-millennial believer into the camp of the Dominionists! The arena
which is dominated by anti - democracy, anti - freedom in Christ
militants such as Rousas Rushdoony, Gary North and Greg Bahnsen.

A quote from Tishrei to prove the above:
"...we know that the Kingdom of God will be built, ultimately, through
individuals who turn to the Lord for salvation. These things should
send a shudder through the government of any land. It is not possible
to see a specific promise for any nation other than Israel in
scripture ...but it is possible to know what God requires of a nation,
through what was taught to Israel, simply, that God's laws had to be
obeyed....I would argue that none of God's laws have been abrogated."
(Law and Grace, page 40-41).
Throughout the Judaism of today there lurks the mysticism of the
Kabbalists. This, too, is of the Antichrist system. Not only is
Maranatha Revival Crusade actively condoning the bondage of new
Christian converts to the Rabbis, the oral Jewish traditions and the
Talmud, when these converts come from a Jewish background, MRC is
going further. They are seeking to bring bondage to those things into
the very Church of the Lord Jesus Christ! This is similar to sending
the Catholic convert back into the Popish system, no, it is more, it
is like encouraging these converts to bring the whole Church under the
Pope's system. Judaism is an evil, Satanic system of error as it is
today.









OTHER GROUPS WILL NOT PREACH CHRIST'S CROSS OF SALVATION.
Yucov Prashk, a former Jew, now a born again Christian preacher(not
calling himself a messianic or completed jew) has said: "If you knew
what Judaism is really about you would be shocked. Most Jews would be
shocked if they knew what these people believe."
On Rabbi Sneerson's sect Prashk says: "It is again Gnosticism. It is
totally crazy!"

Prashk warns against those Christian groups who build bridges with the
Jews, see the Jews as finding safety in the land of Israel and refuse
to give them the Gospel in case they offend. He declares with boldness
and truth that the only safety for the Jew is the Lord Jesus Christ,
and tells those who love the Lord and the Jews to keep away from
groups who refuse to share Christ and the Gospel with the Jews. Such
groups do not love the Jewish people, they are condemning individuals
to a Christless Eternity!



The Jew and the Future in God
"The Times of the Gentiles" are fully outlined in the Old Testament
book of Daniel. When these are fulfilled, when Christ Jesus puts down
all opposition to His reign at the Battle of Armageddon, the Gentile
Nations will no longer be the dominant ones of the earth - the nation
of Israel will.

NOW, at this point in time, and through history, the Jews' cry "HIS
BLOOD BE ON US AND OUR CHILDREN" has literally been permitted by God.
(Matt 27:25). Christ was crucified for the sin of the world, ALL men
and women were responsible for His death, but the Jews have borne
their rejection of their Messiah for nearly two thousand years. The
fearful events of AD 70; when they were banished from England in AD
1020; the casting out from France in AD 1306; the horrors when they
were banished from Prague and later in Constantinople in AD 1560; the
Spanish Inquisition, AD 1492 when Ferdinand and Isabella banished all
Jews from Spain; Hitler and the Holocaust - so much has happened to
these people who are still God's chosen people. NOW they are back in
their land, awaiting the dealings of God and the time when they will
accept the Lord Jesus as Messiah. But a time of God's judgement still
awaits in the Tribulation.







THE JEWS ARE NOT COMPLETELY CAST OFF BY GOD!
"The Children of Israel shall abide many days without a King, and
without a Prince, and without sacrifice, and without an Image, and
without an Ephod, and without Teraphim." (Hosea 3:4)

"TRODDEN DOWN of the Gentiles until the Times of the Gentiles be
fulfilled."
(Luke 21:24).







THEIR FUTURE IS ALL PREPARED.
No other nation on the earth has a future that has the Holy Spirit as
its þhistorianþ. The past has been mapped and recorded by the Holy
Spirit, and already the future of Israel is as the past, mapped and
recorded by the Holy Spirit. As head nation in the Millennium under
the rule of the Lord Jesus Christ, they will be greatly blessed.

"Therefore fear not, O my servant Jacob, saith the Lord; neither be
dismayed, O Israel;.....For I am with thee, saith the Lord, to save
thee; though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered
thee, yet will I NOT MAKE A FULL END OF THEE." (Jer. 30:10,11).

"And I will bring again the captivity of my people 'Israel' and they
shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant
vineyards and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens,
and eat fruit of them. And I will plant them upon their land, and they
shall NO MORE BE PULLED UP OUT OF THEIR LAND." (Amos 9:14,15).

* Note...
John 5 : 42, 43; Jesus speaking to the Jews in his time predicted they
would accept the Antichrist as Messiah.

TODAY...The Church looks for no Messiah - we look for the Bridegroom
in the Rapture.
TODAY...Israel looks not for the First Coming of the Messiah [ He came
for them 2000 years ago ] - Israel is about to accept the Antichrist
as in John.5:43, as the First Coming of their Messiah.




World Leaders want Global Thanksgiving for all Faith.
The forming of the ONE WORLD CHURCH OF THE ANTICHRIST
is proceeding at whirl-wind speed.






* Note:

Revelation 13; 17 and 18. The Bible indicates that the Woman riding
the Beast will be drunk with the blood of the martyrs. This One World
Church will bring persecution to all that object that will be
merciless and relentless.

* NOTE: the JEWISH RABBI input into the merger of faiths!


Leaders want Global Thanksgiving for all Faiths.
by Dan Shine - staff writer of The Dallas Morning News 11/2/95.

"Thanksgiving was created as a day of reflection, a day to show
gratitude to God for life and its many blessings. Often in America,
however, the focus becomes football and feasting.

Last week, a group of leading clergy and academic scholars gathered in
Dallas to discuss how to return to the true meaning of Thanksgiving
and make it a more global holiday.

The four-day meeting of the Thanksgiving World Advisors at
Thanks-Giving Square in downtown Dallas sought common ground among
Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism and Islam for celebrating a
day of thanks.

Thanksgiving is a necessary element of the growing up of a human
person as a human beingþ said Cardinal Francis Arinze, president of
the Vatican Secretariat and Council for Inter-Religious Dialogue.
Thanksgiving is one of the high points of religious worship.

The get-together, organized by the Center for World Thanksgiving, also
allowed the religious and academic leaders to sit down in a small
group and talk to cone another about their faith.

Elizabeth Espersen, executive director of the Center for World
Thanksgiving, said last week's meetings gave the advisers an
opportunity to speak at a very profound level. She recounted that one
of them, Rabbi David Rosen of Jerusalem, said most interfaith meetings
have 50, 100 or 200 attendees, a size that makes it very difficult to
hold informative discussions.

What we do here is ask them to give us advice and also provide them
extended contact and in-depth interchange,
Ms. Espersen said. :When you think about it, this happens a lot in the
world of business. It should be happening in terms of religion."
Rabbi Rosen, international director of Inter-Faith Relations for
Israel and Rome for the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai Brith, said
the meeting was a chance for profound personal interchange.

An encounter with a person of faith is an encounter with God himself,
said the rabbi, who helped negotiate the recent Vatican Israel
agreement.

Feisal Abdul-Rauf, Imam of a New York City mosque and son of Center
co-rector Tan Sri Dr. Muhammad Abdul-Rauf, also spoke highly of the
diverse religious perspectives present at the meetings.

One of the things about inter-faith (contact) is that it brings us
together and gives us insights into our own faiths, he said.

But most of the group's energy was focused on getting more people in
the world to show gratitude and give thanks for God's blessings.

In keeping with the meeting's theme Seeking Common Ground:
Thanksgiving in a World of Conflict, the religious and academic
leaders pored over psalms to find ones that everyone found acceptable
for a possible worldwide ceremony.

The advisers were updated on the efforts of people in the Northern
Ireland city of Belfast, torn apart by religious differences, to build
their own Thanks-Giving Square sanctuary. There also are plans to
build a Thanks-Giving Square in the Olympic Village in Atlanta.

The Belfast and Atlanta groups were sent bells as a tiny symbol to
them from us saying, `More power to you in your ambition,' said Peter
Stewart, founder of the Thanks-Giving Foundation.

Discussions also centered on the prospects for a World Thanks-giving
Day and even a World Year of Thanks.

The United Nations has the year of the child, the family, the woman,þ
said Cardinal Arinze. þA year for thanksgiving wouldn't be a bad idea
at all.

Cardinal Arinze, who has been mentioned as a possible successor to
Pope John Paul II, said thanks-giving þlooms large in our lives.

"Thanksgiving, after all, is not a gift which we give to God", he
said. It is a debt which we owe. The promotion of thanksgiving becomes
not only a human act, it also becomes a religious act."

But Dr. Mahmoud M. Ayoub, professor of Islamic Studies at Temple
University in Philadelphia, said that while thanksgiving must be tied
to the religions that celebrate it, the advisers also must find a way
to bring in those people who do not look up to a god.

"For thanksgiving to be a general principle to which all human beings
could relate, it need not be completely tied to religion', Dr. Ayoub
said. "That's why I say thanks-giving is not a ritual, but an
attitude. It's not just a time to eat turkey, smoke cigars and watch
football."

The attitude reminds us of the gratitude of thanksgiving in a real
way.

Cardinal Arinze agreed, saying that the advisers þmust not presume
that everybody gives thanks.þ Bishop Seigen H. Yamaoka, president of
the Buddhist Church of America, said the youth of the world must be
involved in any thanksgiving movement to ensure that the tradition
will continue for years to come.

"That's something we have to deal with now," the bishop said. When we
talk about future religions, we need to understand where to focus the
attention. There will be issues there. How will religion deal with the
needs and concerns they have?

That's what the future is.

Bishop Yamaoka also compared thanksgiving and gratitude to a window.
"Gratitude opens up individuals to other things,þ he said. þGratitude
allows things to come in. Without gratitude, nothing comes in."

The one issue the advisers must emphasize, said Dr. K.L. Seshagiri
Rao, a Hindu scholar working on a 17 volume encyclopedia of Hinduism,
is that thanksgiving is not controversial, only practical.
"Thanksgiving tells us that there are other values in our world than
material values." he said.

Rabbi Rosen agreed with Dr. Rao. "The problem with living in a free
societ"y, the rabbi said, "is that what we have is the measure of one
rather than what we are."


.........THE JEWISH QUESTION.......
Copyright © Endtime Minsitries...W.B. Howard (Editor of Despatch)
copy freely provided the source is acknowledged.
Extract...Despatch Vol.7:1 WRONG~unbalanced ~BALANCE~ WRONG~unbalanced
There is no justification for Israel or the Jews to be seen asGod's
Nation at all. Israel is a chosen nation of God. Israel is a special
mystical nation we reverence Israel and Rabbis

Palestinians have been misplaced
by the usurpers the Israelis.
They should be driven into the sea. We must pray for Israel and preach
the Gospel to the Jews. Israelis are offended by the Gospel of Jesus
Christ. We should makebridges by visiting supporting and joining with
them

Jews need no Salvation through Christ Jesus they come a different way
as chosen people. Jewish converts become Christians when saved they
are made new in Christ Jesus. Jews are special when saved they must
receive Christ differently. They should keep the Rabbis the Law the
Talmud the Feasts etc. and add these to Christianity.

Israel has been cast aside by the Lord. The Church is Israel
andinherited all her promises. Israel and the Church are two separate
identities.The promises of God to Israel are national in the
Millennium. The Church is Christ's Heavenly Bride. The Church and
Israel are ONE LOAF . (Rick Joyner etc.).We must come together in
merger in the Last Days.

The Old Testament is not very useful for the Christian it is not for
our instruction at all. The New Testament is a higher revelation than
the Old Testament but the whole Bible is our Word of God. In Christ
Jesus we are redeemedfrom the curse of the O.T. Law. The O.T. and the
N.T. are not enough as the Church's revelation. Christians should
return to Jewish roots and the O.T. Law.

The Jews are an evil race they are behind all the conspiracy on the
earth. They have even falsified the holocaust ...Anti-Semitism. The
Jews are near to the time of "Jacob's Trouble" - the Tribulation. God
will gloriously enlighten the nation near the end of the
Tribulation.Christ will be seen as their Messiah in His 2nd. Advent.
Judaism is going to lead the way in this pre-Rapture time. A "new"
understanding of the New Testament is coming through them.Christians
need their oral traditions their Rabbis and the Talmud.



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The Jew in Prophecy
WILL ISRAEL BE SOON ATTACKED BY RUSSIA?
There are THREE groups of peoples in the Bible :
THE JEWS -
THE GENTILES -
CHURCH OF GOD.
All of these groupings have distinct identity, which should be
recognized by Bible believers. The Jews and the Gentiles are
completely separate from each other, but the CHURCH OF GOD is a NEW
BODY, which is made up of Gentiles and Jews, there is neither Jew or
Gentile in the Body of Christ. This is made very clear from Scripture.
(Col.3:11) CHRIST IS ALL When a Jew becomes a Christian, he is no
longer a Jew spiritually, he is in Christ Jesus a New Creation.
The Jews as a nation have a glorious future in God, as Scripture both
Old and New Testament attest. No nation has ever had such a visible
manifestation of the Presence of God as has the Jewish nation. The
list of Divine miracles and appearances to these people are stunning.
The "Red Sea driven back"; led by a þPillar of Cloud and Fire'; the
"walls of Jericho" falling (Joshua 6:1-27); the Angel of the Lord
encamping with them, and the slaying of 185,000 of the enemy soldiers
of Assyria to secure their deliverance, and so on. The great men of
the Jewish nation have been impressive beyond any nation. Abraham, a
man of faith; Moses the mighty leader and the receiver of the OT Law;
King David a writer of Psalms; wise Solomon; Daniel living for God in
evil Babylon. The writers of Scripture who were Hebrew Prophets,
Isaiah, Jeremiah; Ezekiel; Daniel. And through the nation of the Jew
was born the man of all men, the God man, THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.

Today the Jews still lead the world in many ways, despite the great
dispersion which lasted almost two thousand years. Back in their land
again, they have been preserved by God for a magnificent future, when
they turn to accept Christ Jesus as their Messiah. The Bible predicts
that this time will come. (Zechariah 12:10 - 13:1) The restoration of
Israel and the establishment of the Millennial Kingdom are connected
with the Second Advent of the Lord Jesus Christ, in the future. Read
about it, Deut. 30:3-5; Psalm 2:1-9; Zechariah 14:4.

Before that glorious time, the Jewish nation as a whole will go
through a time of judgement from the Hand of the Almighty, of
chastening and wrath - the time of Jacob's Trouble, the Tribulation.
(Jer. 30:7) The Bible also predicts a great battle which is NOT the
battle of Armageddon, this is shown in Ezekiel 38. The exact timing of
this attack against Israel is not clear. Some scholars see it as
occurring before the Tribulation, just before, others believe it will
happen in the first half of the Tribulation itself. þThe Christian
World Reportþ, January, 1995, Vol.X. No.1, has startling news of
Russia and the nations on page 6. The aligning of nations happening
today is so close to the Biblical prophecy that it is clear to see
that Ezekiel's prophetic word, Ezek. 38:2,5 & 6 is very near to
fulfilment, in our day. This is also an indication that the Rapture,
which must happen close to or before the Ezekiel battle, is also
closer than ever.

Russia does not act by herself in the invasion foretold in Ezekiel
against Israel. Ezek.38 shows that other nations will join together to
create a northern army: "Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the
land of Magog, the chief Prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy
against him. Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with
shield and helmet. Gomer and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of
the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee."

It would be obviously advantageous for us to know what those nations
are today? No modern map contains all these names. But, Christian
World Report has an up-dated list which has been compiled from
Hammonds Atlas of the Bible Lands, from the map, The Nations According
to Genesis 10. The placement of early settlements of the tribes were
compared with a modern map of nations, as follows:

ROSH (not shown);
MAGOG...RUSSIA, (north of the Caspian sea);
MESHECH... Kazakhstan (east of the Black Sea);
TUBAL... Georgia and Northeast Turkey (southeast of the Black Sea);
PERSIA ...Northern Turkey(north of the Persian Gulf);
CUSH ...Iran (southern Nile Valley);
PUT...Ethiopia, Sudan (west of Egypt);
GOMER...Libya (north and south of the Black Sea); Ukraine, Southern
Russia, Central Turkey TOGARMAH (southeast of the Black Sea); Eastern
Turkey.
Perhaps you have thought of Gomer as Germany?
Yet Betty Lyn wrote in Pathways to Armageddon ...and Beyond. that with
the changing face of the globe this may not be so: "Many fine
expositors interpret Gomer to be modern Germany. This is in keeping
with Jewish tradition. Until the late 1980s it was very easy to stand
by this interpretation. East Germany was the largest Russian satellite
in Eastern Europe....Perhaps Germany is not the tribe of Gomer
mentioned in Ezekiel. On our cross-reference table, you can see that
at least some maps indicate that Gomer originally settled in what is
today the Ukraine, Southern Russia and Turkey before migrating
westward. Therefore Gomer may not be Germany at all, but the Ukraine
and her immediate neighbours."

What can we discover then from the above?
The modern day nations of Ezekiel 38, who will band together to attack
Israel, do appear to be RUSSIA, KAZAKHSTAN, GEORGIA, TURKEY, IRAN,
ETHIOPIA, SUDAN, LIBYA and UKRAINE.

Christian World Report has made a chilling discovery. The Intelligence
Digest has a special report titled, Iran's master plan for the
destruction of Israel. (The Stoneyhill Centre, Brimpsfield,
Gloucester, GL48LF, UK.):

"It is widely assumed that Iran is irrevocably opposed to the Arabs
negotiating peace treaties with Israel, but this is a misunderstanding
of its position. Iran is happy to see Israel forced into territorial
retreat, particularly if this means returning the Golan Heights to
Tehran's ally Syria. The terrorist campaign is not aimed at stopping
the peace process, it is aimed at putting maximum pressure on Israel
to compromise with Syria.

Whilst this is going on, Iran is pursuing a parallel policy of
surrounding Israel with implacable enemies. A pro-Iranian Islamist
regime is already in power in Sudan, Libya is firmly in the
anti-Israel camp, and Egypt and Algeria are under severe threat from
Islamist rebellions.

To the north and east of Israel, the position is not much better,
Syria and its Lebanon protectorate are close allies of Iran...even
ostensibly pro-Western Turkey is moving closer to Iran in order to
facilitate its economic activities in Central Asia (for which Iran
provides the link) and to help in the fight against Kurdish
separation.

The final part of the Iranian-constructed anti-Israel coalition is
Russia. Little has been heard of Russian activity in the Middle East
since the end of the Cold War, but Iran has been very careful to
nurture relations with Moscow."

The prophecy of Ezekiel is very close to fulfilment now. Just as the
Almighty God has protected Israel down through the centuries, He will
protect her now, in a miraculous way. God will be known in many
nations, þand they shall know that I am the Lordþ says Ezek. 38: 23.
This means for the Church of God that the Rapture is also very, very
near!

The miraculous defeat of Russia and the Moslem allies (Ezekiel 38)
will amaze the nations of the world, and will astonish Israel as well.
There will be a tremendous complex of earthquakes, volcanic eruptions,
diseases, hailstorms and fighting amongst the invading armies
themselves, until the armies of Gog will have five men out of six
killed (38:19-22; 39:2-4) Whatever happens to Russia herself?
Simultaneously with the events in the Middle East, great fires will
roar through the land of Russia, all along the coastlands of its
confederates (39;6), until Russia is completely wiped out as a global
power, and so will be its satellite nations demolished!

All other nations will see this and will know that God is real, and
that He did this to Israel's enemies. The effect on Israel will be
that the nation throws away its false beliefs, and its atheism, and
will know that I am the Lord their God from that day and forward.
(39:22). However, Israel as a nation will continue to reject the
Saviour, Christ Jesus, and will return only to the religion of their
fathers. Later on, Israel will accept Christ as their Messiah
(Zechariah 12:10). When will this be? Not, it seems, until the
glorious Return of Christ when the entire nation will MOURN for the
One they pierced. (Zechariah 13:1; Romans 11:26). Thus redeemed Israel
will inherit the kingdom and enter the millennium, ready to enjoy the
wonderful promises made to their fathers.





Celebration of Tabernacles Is Rising To The Forefront



From: Ed Tarkowski
In material released from the International Christian Embassy
Jerusalem, it is becoming obvious that celebrating the Feast of
Tabernacles is taking a prominent place in the global “move of God”,
falsely named! 5 Tentative Schedule of EventsÂ’ for 1995. Christians
must be wary of celebrating events tied to Tabernacles especially
because the idea of such celebrations were laid in the works of Latter
RainÂ’s George Warnock in the 1950s, and this teaching has penetrated
the apostate "move of God", the spurious revival through the Laughing
Phenomena. (THE MERGER OF NEW AGE AND “CHRISTIANITY”).

CBN Conference with ICEJ holding the conference. This was advertised
in Charisma as a conference on the Feast of Tabernacles. Pat Robertson
supports the laughing phenomena and the impregnation of the Church
through Latter Rain teaching (JoelÂ’s Army). July 5: End-Time
Handmaidens Convention: this is the group that prophesied that
“prophetically, the child Isaac is being released into the nations as
the new wine is being passed.” (For those who did not read last
Despatch, Vol.7:2, the child Isaac with the mother Sarah, has been
shown to be a false representation, of the ancient paganistic, Isis
and Osirus.)

International Christian Embassy Jerusalem [ICEJ] 1995 Tentative
Schedule of Events - North America Feast of Tabernacles type of
events, Banquets and Bless Israel Evenings - all these events will
have a strong content of beautiful music, Davidic praise and worship,
prophetic teaching on Israel and general subjects. You are warmly
invited to attend one or more of them. For more information, a contact
number is listed for each event. Speakers include Jan Willem van der
Hoeven, Michael Utterack and Johann Luckhoff. USA National Conference
Virginia, Beach: July 13-16; FounderÂ’s Inn and Conference Center.

ICEJ National Conference with CBN Conferences.

This conference will feature a banquet, unique seminars on Israel and
current events in the Middle East, special seminar series on Davidic
praise and worship; and a chance to view the 700 Club as it airs.
(Many “Taste of Tabernacles” meeting listed for USA) Canadian Event
Toronto, Ontario July 27: Taste of Tabernacles, Queensway Cathedral At
each of these events all or some of the following Feast of Tabernacles
Worship Team will participate: Michael Utterback, Claren McQueen,
Chuck King, Roy Kendall, Jonathan Settel, Shirley Wolford, Valerie
Henry, David Haddy and many others. They will be joined from Europe by
Sergel and Helena Popov - Helena is the Prima Ballerina of Moldova and
Sergel is a concert violinist - as well as Ben and Vera Karlsson -
Opera Singers from Vienna.

From promotional material published by ICEJ, Washington State Branch:

“The Christian Embassy Fellowship is a body of people from different
religious persuasions united together through their love and interest
for Israel and the Jewish people. “Together with Rev. [Harold L.] Wood
as their spiritual leader, they represent the International Christian
Embassy Jerusalem in the State of Washington ... “To assist projects
in Israel *in preparation for* the coming of Messiah and *his expected
reign* from Jerusalem” (*in capitals - for Tarkowski’s emphasis
added).

[EdÂ’s note:
Is one of these “projects” the celebration of the Feast of
Tabernacles?
How does one prepare for the coming of Messiah and His expected reign?
It is God who is preparing for it, and when He draws the nations to
Meggiddo,
we shall know His preparation for the MessiahÂ’s reign is near].
.


Charisma - April 1995.
In celebration of the 3,000th anniversary of Jerusalem, the
International Christian Embassy Jerusalem is sponsoring a series of
events designed to draw attention to the Old CityÂ’s rich biblical
history.

Although Jerusalem was founded more than 3,000 years ago, the year
1004 B.C. was chosen to date the anniversary because researchers and
archaeologists believe that was the year King David made Jerusalem the
capital of his Old Testament kingdom.

The anniversary will officially begin with the Jewish New Year in
September and will continue through the end of 1996 to encompass both
the Hebrew and Gregorian calendars.

The first event, a Christian celebration of the Feast of Tabernacles,
is scheduled Oct. 8-16. More than 4,000 Christians from nearly 100
countries are expected to join in the weeklong biblical feast....

The Christian Zionist Congress, an annual event featuring Bible
teaching and discussions about Israel, will focus this year on the
restoration of Israel and the threats posed by militant elements of
the Islamic faith....

The final event is the 1996 Christian celebration of the Feast of
Tabernacles, following a similar format as the 1995 feast. The theme
for the 1996 feast, to be held Sept. 27 - Oct. ??Oct. 1996 is “The
Holy City: The New Jerusalem,” a reference to Revelation 21:2.

The International Christian Embassy Jerusalem is not an official
government embassy representing a country, but a legally incorporated
association in Israel. Its purpose is to represent Christians who
recognize the scriptural significance of IsraelÂ’s restoration and who
“share the Lord’s concern for the Jewish people” its organizers
say....

Text from picture [not included here] reads as:
Christians from 90 countries join in the celebration of the Feast of
Tabernacles each year in Jerusalem.
'



Feast of Tabernacles Celebrations, Dance - Pageantry Worship Ministry
A 3-day Teaching & Worship Extravaganza featuring the exciting
Ministries of -Stephen Fry, Worship artist Clarice Fluitt, EagleÂ’s
Nest Forum (LA) [who endorsed AD2000Â’s Jay GaryÂ’s book, The Star of
2000, saying it was a book about Tabernacles) Stephen Everett, Present
Truth Ministries at Son Life Church, October 12-14, Collinsville, IL
(Charisma, July ‘95, p.63).

Make a Week of The Boston Revival! Feast of Tabernacles Celebration
October 8-11 The Christian Teaching and Worship Center Woburn, MA Mona
Johnian will be speaking from the millennial prophet Isaiah on “The
Coming Roles of Jews, Gentiles, and the City of Jerusalem.” Special
Guest: Paul Wilber from IsraelÂ’s Hope. (Charisma, July 1995, p. 88).

July 13-16, 1995 Sponsor: CBN CBN conferences and International
Christian Embassy Jerusalem (ICEJ) join together to give you a
foretaste of the age to come! Days will be filled with seminars on
subjects related to Israel, the Church and prophecy. Evenings will be
filled with Davidic praise and worship, banners, processionals and
inspiring dancing. (Charisma, July 1995, p.89).



Dave Hunt Quote
The Messianic Jew.

The article on the International Christian Embassy has brought again
to our minds the need to be loyal to Jesus Christ and His Truth.
Despatch acknowledges the sincerity of those who call themselves
Messianic Jews, but the extremists are sincerely wrong. Maranatha
Revival Crusade, June, 1995, has come right out with the Messianic Jew
connection at last, which really clears the air. People must be
allowed to decide for themselves whether they want to support this new
doctrinal emphasis or not. As for ourselves we are CHRISTIANS, praise
the Lord. In the June edition of Prophet Alert The Messianic Movement
was the leading article. Despatch will not deal with this in any
depth, space is short, but we must comment again. We deplore the hurt
that any feel personally over any comments we must make, but beloved
of God these are serious matters which must be addressed.


*Despatch will now make Comments under points 1-14,
as presented in M.R.C. "Alert" by Don Stanton - June, 1995.
M.R.C. "Alert"...
p.2. "The Messianic Movement is NOT only amongst Jews. It is a work
that is now IMPACTING* Christians of all stripes, all around the
world. Jewish believers are contributing much to the movement...it is
NOT* a branch of Judaism ...it is not organized by any man or
committee...it is the initiative of the Holy Spirit."


Despatch Comment...Can the reader see that this new movement is
becoming large and it is supernatural? If this is not Judaism, what
else is it?

M.R.C. "Alert"...

p.3. "The Messianic Movement really began...at Pentecost..."


Despatch Comment...Strange, I thought THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH began at
Pentecost.

M.R.C. "Alert"...

p.3. "And Simon Peter answered and said, 'You are the Messiah, the Son
of the Living God..."


Despatch Comment...The KJV says, þThou art the Christ, the Son of the
Living God...þ Christ, the anointed One, is also Messiah, but is now
the Head of the Body, the Christian Church.

M.R.C. "Alert"...

p.3. "The present Messianic Movement is what you might call a
Restoration, rather than a reformation....The Messianic Movement is a
revival movement which anticipates...THE LATTER RAIN* and the
restoration of all things and the return of Y'shua the Messiah."
*(emphasis added).


Despatch Comment...Restoring what? The Old Testament age? Hasn't the
Church of Jesus Christ had the truth till now? Is M.R.C. seeking to
draw us all into THE LATTER RAIN revival? Obviously yes. Yet, that is
delusion, a part of the Dominionist, fake laughter revival. (See
Despatch Vol.7:2, 1995)

M.R.C. "Alert"...

p.4. "The Messianic Movement is NOT a synthesis of Christianity and
Judaism. It is very much a part of þthe one new manþ that Paul speaks
of..."


Despatch Comment..If so, then why do they need a þnewþ movement? Why
like Jacov Prasch do they not simply bear the reproach of Christ and
accept that we are all Christians? We are ONE NEW MAN, the Christian
Church. Jews are no different than Gentile believers, we are neither
Jew nor Gentile we are CHRISTIANS. (Ephes. 2:15-18)

M.R.C. "Alert"...

p.4. "The Messianic Movement is a work of the Spirit that is restoring
to the Bride, the fullness of her Biblical inheritance...Messianic
Believers are longing to recover truth that has long been buried by
neglect...the restoration of the Biblical Roots of the Faith..."


Despatch Comment...So, here we have it. This þnewþ movement is for the
Bride, the Christian Church, not just the Jewish converts. The Church
needs to recover something which was lost, buried, we must be
þrestoredþ, they say. But, the Bride already has þher fullnessþ and we
do need to be rooted back in Abraham in the Messianic Jews to be
restored.

M.R.C. "Alert"...

p.5. "The Messianic Movement places an emphasis on the þwhole counsel
of Godþ- on the unity of the Scriptures- Old an New Testaments. It
believes the New is concealed in the Old, and the Old is revealed in
the New. It has deep respect and love for the Torah of God."


Despatch Comment...Are we to believe then, that the Christian Church
does NOT place an emphasis on the whole counsel of God? We are
supposed to believe that we need this Messianic Movement to bring us
back to this? I find that suggestion highly objectionable. Those who
faithfully teach the Word of God in the Christian Church have always
emphasised the whole counsel of God and they did not regress into the
O.T. dispensation to do so! The New Testament is NOT concealed in the
Old. The New Testament is the New Covenant which is þbetter thanþ the
Old. Read the whole of the book of Hebrews to see that. The Old is a
mere shadow of what is to come in CHRIST JESUS our Lord. I do not
believe that the Torah has anything to do with the N.T. believer - GOD
said we are no longer under it. It was þa curseþ which Christ Jesus
delivered us from. NOT because the Torah was evil, it is righteous,
Holy, but because WE are sinners who are under the Legal curse because
we cannot KEEP the Law. Never could, never will! Praise God, Jesus
Christ has kept it for us! (Galatians 3:10-13). Let Jesus Christ be
glorified, not Abraham.

M.R.C. "Alert"...

p.6 "Messianic Believers recognize that a correct understanding of the
Torah will never lead us into anything contrary to the New
Testament....we need the guidance of the written command of God. To
think we can be 'led by the spirit' apart from the written Word, is an
illusion, and could be dangerous."


Despatch Comment...The Messianic Movement does NOT have a correct
understanding of the Torah - in the New Testament sense, under the
Christian Age doctrines. That is the whole point, they are seeking to
bring Christians who are under Grace, back under Law, O.T. law. The
Christian of the N.T. is NOT lawless, he is under the NEW LAW in
Christ Jesus. To walk in the Spirit, for a Christian, is receiving the
righteousness of Christ, and in His strength alone, obeying the
commands of God. ALL given to us by God in the N.T. instructions. To
go back to the Torah is BONDAGE, forbidden by God because Christ has
instigated the New Covenant. (Matt. 22:37-40; 1Cor.1:30,31; Romans
13:8-14; 11 John 6; James 1:25,2:12; Gal. 5:14)

M.R.C. "Alert"...

p.6."The Messianic Movement believes Gentile believer are no longer
excluded from the Commonwealth of Israel..."( An odd version of
Ephesians 2:12-22 is quoted with this, also Isaiah 57:19.)


Despatch Comment...We Christians are citizens of Heaven, not in the
earthly Commonwealth of IsraeL! Jews come into the Body of Christ, NOT
Christians come into the Commonwealth of Israel. The passage in
Ephesians is speaking about us all coming into the household of God.
Once, in the O.T., the Lord God had a chosen people, a nation which
was Israel. The Gentiles were not a part of God's Covenant then. NOW
in the New Testament we are all God's people when we trust in Christ.
HE is the One we have come into, HE is our peace, HE has abolished the
enmity. We are One in Him and in His Body, the Church, NOT One in the
Commonwealth of Israel. M.R.C. "Alert"...

p.7. "This does not mean that Gentile believers become Jews.
Ethnically speaking, Jewish believers are still Jews, Australian
believers are still Australians, and Indian believers are still
Indians. But together, we are children of Abraham because of faith,
and are part of the household of God - the Olive Tree of
Rom.11:17-24."


Despatch Comment...Of course Gentile believers don't become Jews.
Jewish believers become CHRISTIAN when they are born-again,
Australians become Christians, Indians do as well when they are
born-again. Where you live geographically is NOT the subject under
discussion. Indian believers may live in India, but they do not call
themselves born-again Hindus. Australian and Indian is not a religion,
þJewishþ is. Abraham was a man of faith, we are of Abraham only in
that respect. (Gal.3:6-7). We Christians are faith alone people, so
too was Abraham. Christians are all Children of God in Christ Jesus,
not in Abraham, and CHRIST is the good Olive Tree of Romans 11:24. The
Jews are the broken off branch of verse 20.

M.R.C. "Alert"...

p.7 "The Messianic Movement is not exclusive."


Despatch Comment...Neither is the Christian Church, any who are
born-again in Christ Jesus are IN.

M.R.C. "Alert"...

p.8. "The Messianic Movement makes believers deeply aware of the
SHABBAT principle - that God established one day in the week for rest
and Scripture study..."


Despatch Comment...The Sabbath was the sign of the Mosaic Covenant,
there is NO Christian Church doctrine which directs us to keep the
Sabbath. (Exodus 31:12-17). In fact, the N.T. Christian is told NOT to
be in bondage to keep Sabbaths. That does not mean we do not rest,
worship or study, but it is not a Sabbath which is kept as under O.T.
Law. (Col. 2:16-17). We are not Jewish, we are Christians who worship
together in Christ Jesus.

M.R.C. "Alert"...

p.8. "The Messianic Movement has a genuine interest in the FEASTS of
the Lord - Pesach, Shavu'ot, Trumpets and Tabernacles...these
festivals also provide a bridge to help Jewish contacts find the
Messiah."


Despatch Comment...Despatch has dealt at length with the culmination
of the New Age and false Church merger, under the Vatican, World
Council of Churches and the New World Order hierarchy, being
massively, falsely, JEWISH, with the FEASTS taking pride of place. The
danger of all this is cooperation with them! The fearful delusions
which are riding on the Feasts can hardly be grasped by the reader.
JUBILEE, FEAST OF TABERNACLES are the false amalgamation of the whole
evil system in the year 2000. Basically, the Feast of Tabernacles will
be the celebration of the Dawning of the New Age, and Jubilee is a
socialistic redistribution of the planet's goods and property. (Write
for Despatch Vol.7:2 if you do not understand.) The Bible says we
should preach the Gospel to every person, Jew or Gentile, NOT hold
Jewish Feasts.

M.R.C. "Alert"...

Page 11. "Some of the Movement refer to themselves as Messianic
Believers others call themselves Christian, or Completed Jews. Some
take the label Hebrew Christians, others, Messianic Jews, Messianic
Gentiles, lovers of Zion or, true Jews."


Despatch Comment...The sad part in this is that the Body of Christ is
divided, and God does not want that. The first Christians were Jews,
but they left that behind and gloried in Christ Jesus. They were not
fulfilled Jews or completed Jews, they were believers in the Precious
Lord Jesus. The whole of the book of Galatians should be read
carefully for the reader to see that this is true. It is a shame if
Jewish converts remain under bondage, it is even worst if bondage is
brought into the very Church of Jesus Christ, and presented at that as
though it was some sort of revival!

"Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us
free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage." (Galatians
5:1)








Quote from ...



Dave Hunt's `Berean Call' re Messianic Jew!
QUESTION:
Recently I've been aware of a growing movement that I sense is
slipping back into legalism - the modern Messianic congregations.
There seems to be an underlying pride that sets them apart from
converted Gentiles. They practice much Jewish tradition woven into the
Christian service. What do you think?

ANSWER:

Many congregations of Jewish believers are very Biblical; but others
have, as you suggest, fallen into legalism by putting themselves to
some extent under the law of Moses. Calling themselves completed Jews
(an unbiblical term), they think it helps to adopt Old Testament
Jewish customs. In contrast, the Bible says there is neither Jew nor
Gentile (Gal. 3:28) in the church, but Christ has made from Jew and
Gentile þone new manþ (Eph. 2:15).

Paul rebuked Peter for going back to Jewish separatism and for
compelling "the Gentiles to live as do the Jews" (Gal. 2:14). The
entire epistle to the Galatians argues against any Christian (Jew or
Gentile) observing the Old Testament law. We have a higher standard:
to be like Jesus by letting Him live His life through us. Jewish
customs have no value in Christ's Church.

The freedom we have in Christ from the law of Moses and from Jewish
legalism and customs was difficult for the first Jewish converts to
accept. The apostles and elders gathered in Jerusalem to consider this
issue and under God's guidance declared that the Gentile believers
were not under the law (Acts 15).

What about Jewish believers? There is no difference (Rom. 10:12)
between them and Gentiles in Christ, for He has þbroken down the
middle wall of partitionþ (Eph.2:14) between them having þblott[ed]
out the handwriting of ordinances [the law] that was against us ...
nailing it to his crossþ (Col. 2:14). Jews may honor their ancestral
heritage (in the passover, etc.) but must not mix Jewishness with
faith in Christ.

Messianic congregations who are trying to act Jewish need to heed
Paul's exhortation: "Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith
Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of
bondage [law]" (Gal. 5:1).




WILL ISRAEL BE REVIVED IN GOD?
& WHEN WILL THIS HAPPEN?
The Jewish question is the most astonishing subject in the entire
Bible. A man once said, when asked to prove that the Bible was true, I
can prove the Bible in just two words. What are they, replied his
opponent. THE JEW, said the man. Yes, the history of the chosen nation
of God is ample proof of the authenticity of Scripture. These people
who have been scattered across the globe for nearly two thousand
years, have remained a people despite that scattering, and who now are
pouring back to the Holy Land, after many attempts by the tools of
Satan to obliterate them from the face of the earth!

Will they accept Christ Jesus and be revived again? Yes, the
Scriptures tell us that they will. Both Old Testament and New
Testament prove that a remnant of the Jewish nation WILL know Christ
Jesus as Saviour and Lord. Not to become a part of the Church is this
dispensation, but to take their place as God's chosen nation on the
earth! - but not yet! There will be a national revival, an amazingly
great event. But this must take place after great trial and judgement
from the Lord, right at the end of the Tribulation, just before Christ
Jesus sets up His millennial reign. So there are a lot of events which
must take place before Israel, as a nation, is revived in the Lord.









THE OLD TESTAMENT ABOUNDS WITH THE GREAT TIDINGS
OF THE RETURN TO THE LAND AND REVIVAL.
Amos 9:11-15;
Ezekiel 20:42-44; 37:1-14; 15-22;
Isaiah 11:11;27:12-13;
Jeremiah 16:14-16;
Micah 4:1-2;
Zechariah 10:6-10;
Zephaniah 3:19-20;

DOES THE NEW TESTAMENT SUPPORT
THE OLD TESTAMENT ON THIS REVIVAL AND RETURN?
Yes it does, although it does not deal with Israel as a main theme, as
the New Testament's chief theme is the Church. Israel's history is an
important feature of the New Testament's teaching, however.

There was given to Mary a wonderful prophecy, the messenger was
Gabriel. (Luke 1 :32-33). A confirmation of the Old Testament, this
prophecy is found in Isaiah 9:6-9, where the throne of David is shown.
The millennial reign of Christ will be established upon the throne of
David, His Kingdom will be everlasting. This was confirmed to Daniel,
(Daniel 2:44; 7:14-27). Read Daniel chapter two and see how this
Kingdom will fill the whole earth.
What were the words of Mary, the mother of Jesus? They show the
confirmation of the Old Testament expectation of the covenant with
Abraham being fulfilled, not figuratively, but literally.
"He hath holpen his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy (as he
spoke to our fathers) to Abraham and his seed forever." (Luke
1:54-55).
What did Zecharias say in Luke 1:73? He spoke of the Abrahamic
covenant, þthe oath which he swore to Abraham our father.þ The oath
which God swore to Abraham had to do with the land and Israel taking
possession of it in the Last days.
A question was asked by Peter, which we see in Matthew 19:27, the
answer given by our Lord is very interesting, verse 28. þThe Son of
man sitting on the throne of gloryþ leads the reader back to Zechariah
6:13, where the BRANCH, MESSIAH, sits and rules from His throne. Then
if we read Ezekiel 47:13-48:29, we will see that the throne and the
rule of the 12 tribes are shown as being back in the land of
Palestine.
The Lord Jesus brought together affirmation of Daniel's prophecy about
Israel in the future times. "When ye therefore shall see the
abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in
the holy place." This is a reference to Daniel 9:27 where the
sacrifice and oblation is spoken of. Also to Daniel 12:11 where we see
the daily sacrifice would be taken away and the set up of the
abomination of desolation would occur. What is the information we can
glean from our Lord here? Obviously that Israel at a future time would
re-occupy the Holy land, build a temple, and a revival of formal
sacrifice would be recommenced.
The question asked by the disciples in Acts 1:6, "Dost thou at this
time restore the Kingdom to Israel?" surely would have made the Lord
Jesus put them right if they were wrong in assuming that Israel was to
have the Kingdom restored to them. But Jesus did not refute this
understanding, He simply warns them against speculation about the time
span. "It is not for you to know the times and seasons.' Jesus did not
try to change their minds about anticipating the Kingdom, just that no
time was given. THE JERUSALEM CONFERENCE (Acts 15:12-18). A stupendous
statement is made by James which was based on a prophecy in Amos
9:11-15. If you will read this prophecy you will find that it teaches
about the restoration of the Davidic Kingdom. þI will build it as in
the days of old...I will bring again the captivity of my people
Israel.þ All this passage has to do with the Millennial Reign of
Christ. It would be impossible for the monarchy of David to be set up
if the Jews did not again repossess the land, and if they were not
revived as a Godly nation. Those who wrongfully declare that Israel
has been cast off forever, that the Church is Israel now, would make
no sense of such a statement. James obviously did not believe that.
Verse 17 shows us that we cannot spiritualise the meaning away either,
þthat the residue of men might seek after the Lordþ shows us that the
Kingdom is on this earth!
Romans 11:27 says, "For this is my covenant unto them when I take away
their sins." The covenant mentioned here relates to Jeremiah 31:31-40.
The new covenant that provides for the regeneration of Israel, yes,
but also for something exciting - the national conversion of Israel!
This is a part of the covenant which deals with the rebuilding of
Palestine. Look at this wonderful promise to Israel as God's chosen
nation: "Holy unto the Lord, it shall not be plucked up nor thrown
down, any more forever". No, God has NOT cast off Israel. Read the
passage for yourself.
The ANTICHRIST is shown in 11 Thessalonians 2:4, "So that he as God
sitteth in the temple of God showing himself that he is God." The
context of this verse reveals that it refers to the Latter days.
Note these intriguing things. A temple will be rebuilt in the Latter
days. There is only one race of people who could build this temple -
the Jews. Now, they would never build a temple anywhere but in
Jerusalem. Therefore the Jews will build a temple in the land, they
are attempting such a venture now, there will be a resumption of
temple worship, and ANTICHRIST will sit in that temple as its þgodþ!
Before they accept the true Christ Jesus, they will accept another who
is the false Christ. Then, he will betray them, and eventually the
Jews will be converted and know the Lord Jesus Christ was their
Messiah who they rejected. Jesus Christ addresses the Jews in John
5:43: "I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if
another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive." Read on
through verses 44-47.
For those who imagine that Israel is cast away from God forever, and
the New Testament Church has taken her place, let them read Revelation
chapters 7 and 11. Chapter 7 shows that 144,000 will be selected by
the Lord from twelve tribes of Israel. This will happen in the last
days, in the Tribulation period. They will be special evangelists who
will be especially cared for by the Lord, preserved and kept under His
merciful protection. Obviously there must be a revival of Israel in
those days, in part.

Revelation chapter 11 gives a treasure house
of information about Israel in the Holy land.

Verse 1 shows there is a temple, an altar, and there are worshippers.
Verse 2 shows the court, the temple and the holy city.
Verse 8 tells the reader that this city is to be the earthly
Jerusalem. Therefore there must be a national revival of Israel, which
is part of the purposes of God. If God has given Israel a national
future in their land, who can stand against them? They are already
re-established as a political entity again, one day, after a period of
judgement in the Tribulation, they will become all that the Scriptures
have declared they will be - and they will accept the One they pierced
and declare that He is God.
Zechariah 12:10:
"And I will pour out upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants
of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall
look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as
one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as
one that is in bitterness for his firstborn." Read on to verses 11-14.









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The sacred names or the Holy name

Glory ye in his holy name ...

1 Chr. 16:10 & Psalms 105:3 (identical in the AV)

A one people:
The New Testament presents the Way, the remnant church made up of
people from all backgrounds and races, with no secondary movement
claiming to be closer to the truth or with higher revelation. When
this occurs you have a cult like environment ready to hatch out of
incubation.

The true remnant, the universal bible believing fundamental group
which should be expressed locally (in a geographical setting) as one
group being established and functioning in household/organic
situations, is also know as Christ's Bride, or Christ's Body in
scripture, where people do not follow "a Paul", or "a Cephas", or "an
Apollos", or a latter day Teacher/Apostle, but the risen glorified
Christ in Heaven. When the revelation of one man (irrespective of how
scriptural it may be) is majored on by one particular group, do you
end up with a sect situation. On an official mainstream basis a sect
is known as a denomination; whereas on a less official loose-knit
basis, you end up with a cult.

In regards to secondary movements; a major one that has come to much
prominence in the last decade or so has been the Hebrew Roots
Movement. A movement who generally claim Israel or the Jews have the
answer for the Gentile believers, capitalizing on the damage caused by
the present Great Apostasy, along with the fact most of the first
believers were Jewish. This way God's book, the Holy Bible is not
presented as sufficient for salvation, revelation and eternal
assurance. Which is apparently God's reinvented book, to suit Western
class and culture, even anti-Semitism; so they claim.

Usually one of the following two chief lies (or both working together)
are used to seduce the undiscerning/unsuspecting:

One ... Israel is the root; based on the false premise the New
Testament was originally written in Hebrew. And two ... the Gentile
believers have got the Lord's name wrong, as it is derived from the
Greek, which has been now ruled out.

Justifying Hebraic roots:

The delusion claiming Israel is the true root also verifies She is the
true vine. Hence the Hebrew Roots argument validated! Therefore, in
order for a Gentile to be part of God's salvation plan, do they need
to "repent" and be grafted into this vine, and be part of Israel, or
what the particular group concerned perceives as Israel.

This doctrine is taking scripture way out of context of course, as the
New Testament makes it very plain Jesus is the root (Rom. 15:12; Rev.
5:5, 22:6) and therefore the true vine (Jn. 15:1). Israel were once
part of this vine (branches) being the offspring of Abraham. However,
because they did not produce fruit (Jn.15:4) by rejecting Messiah
Jesus, were they cut off (Rom. 11:7,21).

This is where the Gospel (good news) comes in: Because the Jews (the
Lord's chosen) were cut-off, has the Lord opened the way for the
Gentiles (Rom. 11:15) to be grafted into this vine, being adopted into
Abraham's family (Gal. 3: 28-29) and receiving the benefits of the
eternal promise.

But there was a condition (Jn. 1:12; 1 Jn. 5:12)! The condition was
dependant on what we did with Jesus (Matt. 27:22). The other
tremendous promise about the gospel was the Lord had not forsaken the
Jews entirely either, as they could also be grafted back in (Rom.
11:23). Also depending on what they did with Jesus. It was either
receive God's free gift (whether Jew or Gentile) and be grated in; or
reject God's free gift (whether Jew or Gentile) and eventually be
thrown on the fire heap with the rest of the dead branches (Jn. 15:6).
This way the Lord becomes no respecter of persons making both groups
(Eph. 2:14) on an equal footing faced with the reality of God's cross.

If it is true that the Gentile Christians should turn to the Jews in
regards to finding the truth, it would not make sense as most of
Israel is in rebellion against her Redeemer, just as most of everyone
else is (Js. 2:10).

Scripture is very clear ... Christians follow the word, not Israel:

2 Chronicles 17:4. But sought to the LORD God of his father, and
walked in his commandments, and not after the doings of Israel.

The other area the roots thing has been distorted is by saying the New
Testament was originally written in Hebrew not Greek. This once again
makes Hebraic interpretation of the roots to our faith look factual,
handing the Jews control over the New Testament, justifying their
Hebrew Roots recovery campaign. However, the world then (when the NT
was being penned) was chiefly Greek speaking, as English is today.
The cross spelled the end of the division of the Jew and the Greek.
The Jews of the Old Testament (which was written in Hebrew) could
become one with the Gentiles of the New Testament era, as the division
wall of the Jewish Old Testament and the Greek New Testament was
brought down by Jesus' work at Calvary (Ep. 2:5). This way no one can
now claim monopoly over the truth, but we all learn of each other
(whether Jew, or Greek, or Arab, or any other) through the same Holy
Sprit (Eph. 4: 4-5), as each one hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a
tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation, when we come
together in Jesus name.

Justifying another name:

The other lie used to lure the scripturally naive into the HR camp is
the notion the Gentile believers have got it wrong about our Saviors
name. Once again, if the New Testament was originally penned in Greek
would this doctrine not stand up. That is why it is imperative for
the HRM to undermine the Greek New Testament so there would be no
scriptural hindrance for their doctrine to be embraced.

The Hebrew Roots Movement is made up chiefly of two other movements;
one, being the Messianic Movement incorporating mainly converted Jews
of whom many have wonderfully discovered Jesus to be the Messiah, but
have not realized or been taught the word of God is found within one
book called the Holy Bible (AV). This has made this group susceptible
to being hi-jacked by more ardent Hebrew Roots instigators who have
another agenda, who are infiltrating Cabbalists out to destroy
Christianity, just as Western Christian fraternities have been
infiltrated by other secret societies, such as the Lodges.

The other group making up the HRM is the Sacred Name Movement which
consists of largely misguided Gentile Christians who have been seduced
away from their true roots in the Greek Received Text which the
inspired AV has derived from. This is because people have been so
caught up in "their" thing looking for convenient fables to suit there
cause, or have ran off with some "Teacher" hero.

Let me make this plain and clear ... Yeshua/Y'Shua (etc.) cannot
purvey from, be pointed from, or replace Jesus! Ask yourself which
name is despised and mocked around the world universally ... Jesus or
Yeshua? Which name is cursed millions upon millions of times daily
from Hollywood, to the office, to the factory; from bar to bar, from
household to household, to out in the street, irrespective of what
nation you belong to? Is it Jesus? Or is it Yeshua? Scripture is
clear when it says Messiah points to Christ, not the other way!
Therefore, Yeshua points to Jesus, not the other way around! More on
this latter.

Sacred or Holy:

The word "sacred" is not found in the Holy Bible (note - the Holy
Bible, also known as the AV) but is used quiet commonly in pagan and
New Age circles. It is also used quite frequently in counterfeit
Christian circles as a substitute for the word holy. This is because
the word sacred is a lot broader than the word holy, and can be
applied more liberally. I believe, in essence, sacred means
'safeguarding a religious belief', whereas holy means 'kept apart for
God'. One is to do with a 'belief' system, whether it be related to
traditional, ancestral, or cultural preservation. The other is to do
with sanctification (spiritual separation) and what is acceptable to a
holy God with whom we have to do.

F'instance, the word of God does not say, and can not say ... "Let a
person be a sacred dwelling place for a sacred God to live in!" (this
New Agey sounding phrase would place our bodies/temples on a par with
ancient burial grounds, or locations for ritualistic ceremonies etc.)
But ... Be ye holy; for I am holy. For God is an holy God who says
... Hallowed be thy name. In other words ... honour His name as being
holy!

This means our Saviors name is not a candidate name for redefining, re
categorizing, revamping, reinventing, nor re-representing Himself on
earth. Nor is it a scrambled name to suit segments of someone's
cause. Nor is it a name to represent an age, a trend, a movement.
But a name representing His very Being, Divinity, and attributes both
in heaven and on earth.

Conclusion: His name is 'set apart' for Him. Other names are
'safeguarded' for man, and by man, depending on his belief system.

The spiritual conflict:

From 1998, when I first come online, was my mailbox being constantly
filled with correspondence from members of the Hebrew Roots/Sacred
Name Movement trying to wear me down, or using the Charismatic
(Catholic) style approach, like back in the 70's and 80's, of trying
to disarm an "over zealous" opponent "in love". A few others are more
genuine in their approach ... they either call me Brother, or
ironically ... the antichrist!

May I also add that many of the Messianic or HR people I have come
across are very sincere, some being good friends (who would show up
many evangelicals by their honest and teachable spirit), unaware there
is a consorted effort by New Age Cabalistic Cultists to push this
movement and use it to destroy Christianity:

There is even websites set up to do this. Bring down Christianity
that is:

http://www.webruler.com/torah/

more proof sources within the HRM is out to liquidate NT Christianity:
Re: Jan 1st 1988 ... "The battle to return Christianity 100% to its
Hebrew roots is sure to pick up this year, and I am looking forward to
some mighty moves of G-d."

"For those of us who believe that "Christianity" has become so far
removed from the restoration that Y'shua gave us, taking Christians
out of Christianity is like taking pagans out of witchcraft that
disguises itself as the worship of the true God. The only truth that
has lasted throughout the ages, in so-called Christianity, is that
Y'shua is the Messiah. Even that concept has been overlaid with
Mithran sun-worship imagery that we no longer recognize Him."
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:07:38 -0500 Organization: Prepare the Way
Ministries

"Now Rome-oriented for the first time, these post-135 C.E. miso-Judaic
pagan gentiles were the first to proclaim their Romanized,
de-Judaized, gentile-saving, divine man-g-o-d image -- J-e-s-u-s!"
http://www.netzarim.co.il/Sukkah05.htm

"Early Christianity / Birth of Church historical Jesus, apostasy, 666,
antichrist, Zeus, Jupiter, Aelia Capitolina, beast Syncretizing a few
Netzarim ideas into their own pagan pantheism (e.g., G-o-ds mating
with human women to produce divine offspring), the pagan Z-e-u-s /
J-u-p-i-t-e-r worshippers and sun-worshippers of "Aelia
C-a-p-i-t-o-l-i-n-a" became, under Marcus, the first Christians --
(Notzrim, not Netzarim!). This was the true birth of the Christian
Church -- in 135 CE."
(Documentation and details in the book Who Are the Netzarim? --
Advanced Level.)

My case has always been this ... the HRM at it's best is Christians
being lured back under the law. At it's worse is it leading believers
into occultism.

Receiving Jesus Christ as Saviour on the grounds of the cross is
totally sufficient for either Jew or Gentile in making it with their
Creator. The Holy Bible is our complete source in faith, life, and
practice. And the Holy Spirit is the One who leads the individual
into all truth.

Using a generalization, following is some of the type of remarks I
have received from the SNM people since I came on-line over two years
ago:

"You need to get back to the Jewish roots of your faith to find a
deeper meaning in G-d!"
"There is so much you can learn from the Jewish believers to make you
faith more meaningful!"
"You need to follow the Jewish feasts and Sabbath to please G-d!"
"The NT was originally written in Hebrew, therefore you need Hebraic
scholars to convey the original meaning of scripture!"
"You are at a disadvantage if you cannot speak Greek or Hebrew!"
"The early believers were Jewish, therefore they called the Lord
Yeshua!"
"The early believers never called the Lord "Jesus" as Jesus is
English!"
"Jesus" is a Greek name and a corrupt name for the Messiah!"
"Lord" is unscriptural. It has been translated wrong as it means
Baal!"

Although these statements sound plausible, and can be emotionally
susceptible to the scripturally naive, are they filled with
inaccuracies which I cover in my article called "The Name".

Here are some more blatant statements taken 'word for word' from SNM
correspondence I never deleted from my file; some being very recent at
the commencement of this article. Although this is once again 'an
across the board' generalization, it must be taken into account there
are those tied up in this movement who will strongly disagree with
some of the following comments:

"Satan will do anything to turn men from the truth. Yahweh's Name IS
truth. Yahshua's Name IS truth. Anything else is simply a lie... You
see, Father Yahweh is seeking those who worship Him in spirit and in
truth. And when we call Him by a false name, then we are worshipping
Him in lies and not truth. If we know that "the Lord" and "Jesus" are
false, why continue in error??"

"The name "Jesus (Strong's #2424)" has no apparent meaning in any
language."

"Many Christians become obstinate, angry and indignant when told that
Jesus is not only not the Messiah's true Name, but is in fact a
variant of the Egyptian deity, Isis. When translated into Greek, Isis
becomes Iesous which becomes Jesus in English. This error of
ineffability has become so entrenched among modern day religions, that
when anyone dares to mention the true Name of YAHWEH and His Son
Yahshua, they are labeled mentally unbalanced with perhaps cultic
affili-ation."

"Well it would be if it (Yahweh) had remained in use instead of being
thrown out with the rest of the Jewish believers and killed. Jesus was
the name that the catholic church and anti-Semitic leadership gave
Him."

"Jesus Christ is used in the Catholic Harlot church. He is the Son of
the black madonna (Semiramus) that they worship behind the altar. But
they believe in Jesus Christ, don't they?"

"And this "Authorized Version" you claim to be the only Bible that is
true. Who authorized it? Yeshua sure didn't King James (A Catholic
himself) authorized this Bible. Why are you promoting a Catholic
Bible? Why are you promoting the very thing that Yeshua stood against
and said would be destroyed in the last days?"

"Did you know that there is no letter "J' in the Hebrew language? The
book of James is really the book of Ya-Acov. That was Yeshua's half
brother. King James had Ya-acov's name changed to James in honor of
himself. He also had Yeshua's name changed to Jesus. In reference to
the Greek text of Iesous. Needless to say this was the Greek word used
for the god Zeus. Iesous went from Hebrew, (Yeshua) to Greek Iesous
Zeus, to Latin Christos, to English, Jesus. Zeus."

"As far as being a pagan. The name Jesus is pagan if you must know
the truth. It was coined from the Greeks."

"I think you misunderstand. "Christianity" is an invention of the
Catholic Church for the most part."

"These ways that YHWH instructed the Jews created the "Jewishishness"
of the Jews. These are things GOD loves such as; sacrifices to
himself, modes of worship, unique symbolism. I would say in reality
that GOD is what we call "Jewish"."

"I have been raised in this western "Christian" Religion and until
recently have I found it to be a real mess. I have been studying the
Hebrew Roots of our faith and found just how far we have strayed. It
has become so clear to me that this western "Christianity" has adopted
many of the practices of the "Roman Whore". Please forgive my
bluntness but it is fact. If I can see this for what it is, then what
is YHWH's view of it, I shutter to think! I have come to Love the
Master's law and am so very thankful for being grafted into it. It is
my earnest desire to learn these Hebrew Roots and ask Yahsuha to write
them upon my heart, that I may NEVER forget them. Again please
forgive us for trying to impose this mess I call "Churchiantity" on
any-one. Thank you for listening."

"WE DO NOT AGREE WITH YOUR POINT OF VIEW, AND IN FACT, FIND YOUR BRAND
OF ANTI-SEMITISM TO BE VERY SIMILAR TO THE SENTIMENT THAT PREVAILED IN
EUROPE DURING THE CRUSADES AND IN THE EARLY THIRTIES AND FORTIES, AND
THEREFORE VERY OFFENSIVE TO BELIEVERS EVERYWHERE. WE ARE REQUESTING
THAT YOU PLEASE DO NOT MAIL US ANYMORE. PERIOD."

"This Nazi propaganda is from hell and that is where it needs to go
back to."


Set apart from Israel:

If the Jewish demeanor, tradition, or religion was the way (the new
sect) the Book of Acts records, then there would be no need for Jews
to experience conversion. Also, a believer would be considered a Jew
in the formal sense, and the word 'pilgrim' would have to be omitted
from the NT, as we would not be seeking a heavenly city a far of.

Paul went to the Gentiles with the gospel as they needed converting.
Peter went to the Jews with the gospel as they needed converting also.
Therefore, when someone comes to Christ they do not become a Jew (in
the formal sense) but a new man ... one new man corporate with fellow
Gentiles and Jews in Christ. Just as the Lord does not want to make a
Jew into a Gentile upon conversion, neither does He want to make a
Gentile into a Jew.

Also, if the word church is the wrong word because a believer in
Christ/Messiah becomes an extension of geographical Israel, then they
would not have been accused of being a Sect by the Jews (recorded in
Acts as below) and a threat to their religion. It's only when
believers succumbed to the Judaizers were they relieved of
persecution, as observing forced Jewish tradition cancelled out the
cross through justifying keeping the system in place.

The preaching of the cross always clears the dross! Folk hate it! It
is a stumbling block! A rock of offence! Paul said in Galatians
5:11:

And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision (representing the
ceremonial law), why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence
of the cross ceased.

The law was good, but it couldn't save. The free gift could ... and
His name is Jesus!



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If you have time to do more indepth research please look into the
following:

More on the holy name

In order for any movement to take preeminence over the simple 'little
flock' following Jesus, the first thing that needs to be undermined is
the word of God contained in the scriptures, which is found packaged
in an orderly way between two covers, as one book (Ps. 40:7; Is.
29:12, 34:16; Heb. 10:11; Rev. 22:19) we call the Holy Bible.

In this book one verse will not stand on it's own and can be used
effectively by man or devil to subvert the truth. When truth is at
stake there is only one true interpretation ... and this is God's
interpretation (not man's) through His Spirit, Who leads us into all
truth. In order to receive this truth as revelation to our own
individual hearts, do we need to take all scripture in full context,
rightly dividing (balancing) the scriptures, using scripture to prove
itself. Therefore, is the following study to endeavor to let the
scriptures speak for themselves, rightly weighing one with the other
so there are no discrepancies, omissions, inaccuracies, standalone
passages or verses, or inclusive extra commentary.

May the motive be as Paul's ... that the word of the Lord may have
free course, and be glorified ... and it shall prosper in the thing
whereto I sent it, according to Isaiah 55:11.

Salvation is in the name:

In regards to the religious scene the word Babylon sums it all up ...
a wide gate for captivity. Where all the worlds cultures, ideas,
philosophies, and beliefs, converge into a conglomerate of "many".
The name of this city is derived from the word Babel which means
confusion ... many voices. In Babylon there are many voices. In
God's Holy City there is only One. Just as scripture emphasizes one
Spirit, one body, one baptism, one way, one book; it also only
promotes one name ... the name of our Saviour. This name is a pure
name and cannot mitigate into scrambled generic names such as:

Jeshua, Yeshua, Yeshuah, Yehshua, Yehshuah, YESHUA, YESHUAH, YEHSHUA,
YEHSHUAH, Yeshouah, Y'shua, Y'shuah, Jeshu, Yeshu, Yehoshua,
Yehoshuah, YHVHShua, YHVHShuah, Yhvhshua, Yhwhshua, YHWHShua,
YHWHShuah, Yhvhshuah, Yhwhshuah, Yahvehshua, Yahwehshua, Yahvehshuah,
Yahwehshuah, Jahshua, Jahshuah, Jashua, Jashuah, Jahoshua, Jahoshuah,
Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Yashua, Yashuah, Yahshua, Yahshuah, YAHSHUA,
YAHSHUAH, YASHUA, YASHUAH, Yahushua, Yahushuah, Yahoshua, Yahoshuah,
Yaohushua, YAOHUSHUA, Yaohushuah, Iahoshua, Iahoshuah, Iahushua, or
Iahushuah, and so on. If these names can't point to the name of Jesus
(not the reverse) then they are nothing but impostor names.

The following holy name which is to be hallowed in the earth is the
only name whereby man can be saved according to the written word of
God:

John 20:31. But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus
is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life
through his name.

The word points to the name, not the other way around:

Psalms 138:2. I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy
(hallowed) name for thy loving kindness and for thy truth (thy word is
truth): for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

The New Age versions completely change the meaning to the above verse
putting the name on a par or above the word. The scriptures proclaim
the word as final, above the name, as is the name it proclaims above
every other name.

1 John 3:23. And this is his commandment, That we should believe on
the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us
commandment.

Highest name:

This name which was hid in times past, which other biblical names and
titles are related to, is now made manifest because the cross was
victorious:

Philippians 2:9. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and
given him a name which is above every name:

We must know which name God is referring to if we have a
responsibility with the name ... Romans 9:17. For the scripture saith
unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I
might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared
throughout all the earth.

... That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in
heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that
every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of
God the Father.

Fulfilled and made known when the door was opened to the whosoever
(Jew or Gentile) after the cross:

Acts 11:17. Forasmuch then as God gave them (the Gentiles) the like
gift as he did unto us (the Jews), who believed on the Lord Jesus
Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

Was realized, acted out in real life, trusted upon, praised, spoken,
glorified, and proclaimed:

Ephesians 5:20. Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the
Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
2 Thessalonians 1:12. That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be
glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and
the Lord Jesus Christ.

Revelation 15:4. Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy
name?

Used authoritatively:

Acts 3:6. Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I
have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and
walk.

2 Thessalonians 3:6. Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our
Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that
walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of
us

The name of our Savior is made manifest in the New Testament being the
only name where man can be saved, the only name back to God, and the
Highest name there is.

Revelation 19:12. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head
were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew (past
tense), but he himself.

Hebrews 2:12. Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in
the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.

The hidden name is now revealed and is a present day reality.

The false name: (purveying to an impostor ... the anti-christ)

Any name that is promoted by the undermining of the word as a
substitute for Jesus, is an impostor name which is blasphemous.

Revelation 13:1 ... and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

1 Timothy 6:1. Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their
own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his
doctrine be not blasphemed.

Revelation 3:12. Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the
temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon
him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is
new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will
write upon him my new name.

Jesus is the name! Who is King in another country, a far country!
Where the New Jerusalem resides. Other names must point to the
scriptural Him and not justify or endorse another 'movement'!

John 5:43. I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if
another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Everything unscriptural is pointing to the false Christ who is about
to storm the scene in the name of peace and security, and be received
as Israel's messiah, in her earthly capital. Also, as Christendom's
counterfeit Second Coming and the false savior of the world. This
will be given momentum as many join the Great Falling Away and follow
the mitigating name/s.

In order for man to receive a substitute name, the name of Jesus has
to become obscured. The best way to create this is to throw up a
barrage of "many" names or substitute names. This causes confusion as
"many" is the product of Babylon ... many ways, many faiths, many
sects, many orders, many spirits, many churches, many denominations,
many doctrines, many baptisms, and many names. This mitigating effect
is produced by scrambling the name, which can be invented, or occultic
in origin.

In order to avoid being swept away we need to rightly divide and
discern the word now:

The Messiah (Hebrew) points to the Christ (Greek) not the other way
around:

John 1:41. He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto
him, We have found the Messias, which is (present tense), being
interpreted, the Christ.

John 4:25. The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh,
which is (present tense) called Christ: when he is come, he will tell
us all things.

The preserved Hebraic Text purveys to the preserved Greek Text. Not
the other way round. If this scriptural progression is switched are
we lead into error and the scriptures become property of private
interpretation, not public for every ordinary man, woman and child,
contradicting scripture ... 2 Timothy 2:9 ... the word of God is
not bound. Meaning, the word has no copyright, or earthly/ethnic
ownership.

Revelation 9:11. And they had a king over them, which is the angel of
the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in
the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. This time applied to our
spiritual enemy but in the same order.

But still the same Divine principle applies (Rom. 1:16; 2:9,19) ...
to the Jew first, and also to the Greek (representing the Gentile
world).

Here's a great example in Acts 16:1: Then came he to Derbe and
Lystra: and, behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timotheus,
the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess (had the scriptures -
OT), and believed (in Messiah named the Christ); but his father was a
Greek (the new and living way being presented in his tongue):

Therefore, the two (plus their mixed family) would become one in God's
messiah Christ as the dividing partition had been pulled down at the
cross.

Romans 1:16. For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is
the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the
Jew first, (from the OT) and also to the Greek. (to the NT) Not the
other way around.

Because Jesus has fulfilled the 10 commandments, the OC ordinances
have been nailed to the cross once and for all, and the veil to the
presence of God has been removed, both Jew and Gentile now have equal
free access as one new man, without custom nor ethnic restriction (Eh.
2:15; Col. 2:14, 2:20; Heb. 9:1,10).

Romans 10:12. For there is no difference between the Jew and the
Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

Galatians 3:28. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond
nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in
Christ Jesus.

Colossians 3:11. Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision
nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is
all, and in all.

Does this mean the Lord has finished with Hebrew and can never use
Hebrew? Not at all. The Lord will use any language ... In my name
shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues ... In
Acts Two we witness the fulfillment of God using other languages in a
Divine way. As God is a God of order and clarity, and not confusion,
His word in another language must always have an interpretation for
the hearer's sake. It is also important to know when the NT (Greek)
word is presented back to the Jewish people as the Good News, Hebrew
can be used. However the name of the Lord Jesus Christ is still valid
as in Paul addressing his own people as follows:

Paul's method and his kinsmen the Jews:

Paul was all things to all men in order to win men to Christ:

1 Cor. 9:
19 ¶ For though I be free from all men (both Jew and Gentile), yet
have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
20 And unto the Jews I *became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews
(proof Jews needed salvation like all); to them that are under the
law, as under the law, (Paul could keep the law, as it in itself was
good - 1 Tim. 1:8 - but couldn't save anyone - Rom. 8:3) that I might
gain them that are under the law;
21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without
law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that
are without law.
22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am
made all things to all men (both Jew and Gentile), that I might by all
means save some (only those who would repent).

Acts 21, (Paul addressing his own people who would've been bi lingual
speaking both Greek (the common language) and Hebrew (their native
language):
37 And as Paul was to be led into the castle, he said unto the chief
captain, May I speak unto thee? Who said, Canst thou speak Greek?
38 Art not thou that Egyptian, which before these days madest an
uproar, and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that
were murderers?
39 But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in
Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to
speak unto the people.
40 And when he had given him license, Paul stood on the stairs, and
beckoned with the hand unto the people. And when there was made a
great silence, he spake unto them in the Hebrew tongue (*he became as
a Jew in order to win the Jew), saying,
1 ¶ Men, brethren, and fathers, hear ye my defense which I make now
unto you.
2 (And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them,
they kept the more silence: and he saith,)
3 ¶ I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in
Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel (Acts
5:34), and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the
fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.
4 And I persecuted this way (the Christians, the remnant) unto the
death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women.
5 As also the high priest doth bear me witness, and all the estate of
the elders: from whom also I received letters unto the brethren (the
Jewish hierarchy was behind Paul's murderous campaign to stamp out the
new sect called the way), and went to Damascus, to bring them which
were there bound unto Jerusalem, for to be punished.
6 And it came to pass, that, as I made my journey, and was come nigh
unto Damascus about noon, suddenly there shone from heaven a great
light round about me.
7 And I fell unto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me, Saul,
Saul, why persecutest thou me?
8 And I answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus
of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest (Paul was persecuting Jesus because
he was doing it to His brethren, the church, His Body, the Way).
9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid;
but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.
10 And I said, What shall I do, Lord? And the Lord said unto me,
Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all
things which are appointed for thee to do.
11 And when I could not see for the glory of that light, being led by
the hand of them that were with me, I came into Damascus.
12 And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good
report of all the Jews which dwelt there,
13 Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul, receive
thy sight. And the same hour I looked up upon him.
14 And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou
shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the
voice of his mouth.
15 For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen
and heard.

Paul was no longer Saul, a very zealous, religious, Jewish, Pharisee,
who went about wasting Jesus little flock called the way (redeemed
Jews and Gentiles who were looking for a spiritual city), but was now
one of them.

The name in relation to His people:

Title ... The LORD (meaning the ultimate authority - Ruler above all
rulers).

Name for Israel (Jew - Old Testament) ... JEHOVAH

Name for the Church (both Jew and Gentile - New Testament) ... JESUS

Proclamation of Deity ... the LORD - in capitals. The Lordship of a
people called out and elect:

The LORD (standard, by itself - the LORD is Lord, GOD is God!)

The LORD God of your fathers (He had a people. A warning was given.
Proverbs 22:28. Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers
have set.)

the LORD God of thy fathers

the LORD God of Israel (He was their God yet they choose another.
Jeremiah 2:23. How canst thou say, I am not polluted, I have not gone
after Baalim?)

The LORD your God (relationship)

the LORD thy God

The LORD our God (in relationship to His people)

the LORD our Lord (proclamation and personalization)

Ps. 8:9. O LORD (proclamation) our Lord (personalization), how
excellent is thy name in all the earth!

The LORD makes Israel his nation. His people are commanded to make
the LORD their God, for they cannot make their (own) God. For He is
who He is!! When He is acknowledge for who He is in relationship, the
letters to His title become lower case but the first letter is still
in a capital:

Judges 6:13. And Gideon said unto him (the LORD), Oh my Lord
(relationship/personal), if the LORD (proclamation of Deity/His
position) be with us, why then is all this befallen us?

Check it out!! You'll only find it in the Holy Bible (Authorized
Version) though. This cannot be mere coincidence, or word
manipulation. I believe the translators would've never known about
it. It proves God's word is Divinely inspired and completely and
totally authoritative! But once again because I do not give the
Hebraic scholars monopoly over the word of God but the Holy Spirit,
will I be labeled anti-Semitic. It is the only weapon the New Age
Judaizers have left.

Here is another random verse out of many in the Old Testament:

Judges 16:28. And Samson called unto the LORD (proclamation of
Deity), and said, O Lord (relationship) GOD , remember me, I pray
thee, and strengthen me, I pray thee, only this once, O God, that I
may be at once avenged of the Philistines for my two eyes.

O Lord GOD was the Old Testament title for addressing the LORD

Lord means the highest authority within a governable sphere.
Therefore, mere rulers in scripture (separate from Deity) were
referred to as lord (first letter in lower case as all others) e.g.:

2 Samuel 19:19. And said unto the king, Let not my lord impute
iniquity unto me, neither do thou remember that which thy servant did
perversely the day that my lord the king went out of Jerusalem, that
the king should take it to his heart.

Summary: When a person in relationship were referring to the LORD,
Lord the majority of times started with a capital signifying the
higher authority in God, as already explained. When God's title was
proclaimed, full capitals the majority of times were used in
acknowledgement to the Authority above every other authority.

Mark 12:36. For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD (in
heaven) said to my Lord (Jesus being glorified), Sit thou on my right
hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Isaiah 19:4. And the Egyptians will I give over into the hand of a
cruel lord (the lower authority); and a fierce king shall rule over
them, saith the Lord (the highest authority / personal), the LORD (in
heaven) of hosts.

God is usually spelt with lower case letters except for the first
letter when referring to Deity. When capitals (GOD) is used it is in
the Old Testament when His Deity is being extolled by one of His
servants usually in prayer. When a lower case letter is used for the
first letter as 'god' it is in reference to false deity.

For instance, in reference to the fourth person in the fiery furnace
with Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego:

Dan. 3:25. He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in
the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the
fourth is like the Son of God.

This of course is Jesus. However, the modern versions say in verse 25
... "a son of the gods". This throws doubt on the Divinity of Jesus
as well as in conjunction of Him being found in the Old Testament
reinforced in the New when the centurion said at the cross:

Mark 15:39 ... Truly this man was the Son of God.

Once again the modern versions pervert the scriptures by, or with an
added footnote, saying ... "a son of a god". Once again tampering
with Jesus' Divinity or leaving the reader with the doubt ... hath
God said?

The Bible starts of with God the Creator (beginning of Genesis) and
finishes with the Lord Jesus Christ (end of Revelation). He is the
complete word ... Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the
first and the last. The Son of God, the Anointed One, is found
throughout the Old Testament not including the hundreds of prophecies
relating to His first appearance or His millennium reign. However, it
is not until the New is His full authoritative / holy name revealed:

Matthew 1:1. The very first passage in the New Testament! What does
it say? The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David,
the son of Abraham.

His name is sealed in the Books: In the Old Testament as JEHOVAH (He
is Who He is), mentioned four times only in capitals. In the New
Testament as JESUS (Jehovah saves), mentioned four times in capitals.

Coincidence? Ask the Lord!

Also, the LORD is his name (not just a title but a name also - nothing
to do with Baal) ... is mentioned four times too (in the OT). Lord
in capitals.

Coincidence? Ask the Lord!

In the Old Testament JEHOVAH is I AM, covering His complete Divine
attributes.

Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said,
Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me
unto you.

Isaiah 43:10. Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant
whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand
that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there
be after me.

In the New TestamentJESUS is I AM, covering His complete Divine
attributes.

John 18:6. As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went
backward, and fell to the ground. Confirming and declaring His
invested power and authority as God in the flesh:

I am from above (who else can say this?)
Many rely on human wisdom for guidance but who would become foolish in
the world's eyes to hear from somewhere above the natural, above the
trappings and the tangible . Many feel more comfortable belonging to
tangibles like denominations, sects, fraternities, and religious clubs
than keeping their eyes on the things which are unseen and eternal.

I am one that bear witness of myself
Many borrow from others not believing they can receive it themselves
... the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

I am the bread of life
Many rely on money or possessions, or their career for sustenance,
than depending on the Bread from heaven. Others mystify the bread as
being objects of reference in a religious ceremony, but nothing to do
with walking (eating the bread) in Him daily.

I am the light of the world
Many look to paid religious professionals, higher critics and bible
scholars, for light. As many prefer being spoon fed instead of
individually seeking revelation through faith.

I am the door
Many would rather enter Babylon through the wide gate of expedience,
spiritual relativity, liberalism, and spiritual license, than enter
through the narrow way ... up! Or even take short cuts over the wall
(Jn. 10:1) as to avoid the only pathway to life ... Christ's rugged
cross.

I am the good shepherd
Many prefer to look to a personality, a message of eloquence, or
gifted orator for titillating and security, than trusting Him whom
they can't see.

I am the resurrection, and the life
Many look to the latest trend/fad for fresh elation and sense of well
being, than dying to mans methods to experience His quickening power.

I am the way, the truth, and the life
Many are happy with the status quo than giving up all for the Pearl of
great prize. Many would rather be deceived with distorted facts and
misinformation than love the truth of inconvenience.

I am in the Father, and the Father in me
Many depend on substituting the intimacy of drawing near to God with
formalism, ritual and outward devotion.

I am the true vine
Many prefer to draw their nourishment from others, their community, or
group, than daily communion with the true living God.

I am not of this world
Many world rather give themselves over to change than change
themselves.

I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto
every one of you according to your works.
Many would rather pursue a convenient New Age Jesus than look to him
with whom we have to do.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end
Many would prefer to look to another (contemporary) Jesus who "fits in
with us", than to look to a God with whom is no variableness, neither
shadow of turning.

I am the root and the offspring of David
Many would rather link themselves to their own origins, traditions,
culture, what they really don't want to give up, than connect (be
grafted in) to their Maker through His Son.

I am Jesus whom thou persecutest
Many would rather follow another Jesus, or choose another name, so
they will not be responsible or answerable to the one they profess to
know, and avoid harassment from those who hate the truth.

I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest.
Jesus, His name! Of Nazareth, a Jew! Who is persecuting who?

Jewish, zealous, religious Saul was against Jesus little flock and
tried to eradicate it. Nothing has changed! But Paul did, by the
word of God (change that is!). Now he is part of the flock ("if you
can't beat 'em, join 'em!"). Is it hard for thee to kick against the
pricks?

Therefore my people shall know my name!

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Other interesting links in regards to the HRM and the SNM -
bearing in mind I may not necessarily agree with all the content:
Jesus or Yeshua
Jehovah or Yahweh
The original language of the New Testament
Which law should Christians obey?
Midrash: The Camel's Nose
Neither Jew nor Gentile but "One New Man"
The New Legalism
A message for Messianic Jews
Sacred Name Movement Errors
Directory of Sacred Name Groups
House of Yahweh
What Has Christianity to Do with Jewish Tradition?
Tishrei
Hebrew Roots and true Israel biblical position
What is anti-semitism
The Two Israels
The Hebrew Roots Movement
The Name
The sacred names or the Holy name
Meet the YAHcult
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THE SIX~POINTED STAR



THE MARK OF THE BEAST



by

Janet Moser



And he causeth all, both small and great,

Rich and poor, free and bond,

To receive a mark on their right hand,

Or on their forehead.

And that no man might buy or sell,

Save that he had the mark,

Or the name of the beast,

Or the number of his name.*

Revelation 13:16,17







FOREWORD



And I sawÂ…them that had gotten the victory over the beast,

And over his image and over his markÂ…




This study is dedicated to those overcomers during the Great
Tribulation period who, because of their love for the Lord and His
Word would rather give up their own lives than take the Mark of the
Beast. These are the true heroes of the Tribulation period, whom God
will richly reward.

Â…and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of
Jesus, and for the word of God, and which did not do homage to the
beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their
forehead, or upon their hand; and THEY LIVED AND REIGNED WITH CHRIST A
THOUSAND YEARS. (Rev. 20:4)*
We believe that both Israel and Christians have been deceived by
occultists who would have them believe that the six-pointed star is a
Jewish symbol. Nothing could be further from the truth. It is not a
Jewish symbol, but an occult symbol. The six-pointed star is a
hexagram - a curse mark - no matter what name it may have: Star of
David, Solomon's Seal, Double Triangle, Shield of David, etc. When the
occult practitioner puts a curse on someone, he uses the hexagram!
Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they
might be saved. For I bear them record, that they have a zeal for God,
but not according to knowledge. (Rev. 10:1,2)
The challenge in writing this report was to make a difficult topic
easy to understand and inoffensive to Israel, for it is not my goal to
condemn the Jewish people, but to condemn the six-pointed star, a
curse mark. For God will both bless Israel and curse those who curse
Israel:
I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make
thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: And I will bless them
that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall
all families of the earth be blessed. (Gen. 12:2,3)
It is our hope that the Lord will use this report during the seven
years of the Great Tribulation period to help his people know that the
six-pointed star truly is the mark of the beast and, upon
understanding this, to reject the mark when it comes.
I will stand upon my watch and set me upon the tower, and will watch
to see what he will say unto me, and what I will answer when I am
reproved. And the Lord answered me, and said, Write the vision, and
make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it. For the
vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak,
and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because IT WILL SURELY
COME, it will not tarry. (Hab. 2:1-3)

PART I

INTRODUCTION




A. RESEARCH PROCESS USED TO DISCOVER THE MARK OF THE BEAST

Based on five principles, our study will demonstrate that the
six-pointed star fulfills all requirements of the Mark of the Beast.
1. The study of prophecy covers the past, the present, and the
future.
Write the things which thou HAST SEEN, and the things which ARE, and
the things which SHALL BE. (Rev. 1:19)
2. Understanding the future depends upon understanding the past.
The thing that HATH BEEN, is that which SHALL BE; and that which IS
DONE is that which shall be done: and whereof it may be said, See,
this is new? It hath been already of old time, which was before us.
(Eccl. 1:9,10)
3. Scripture helps us to understand the past.
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness: THAT THE MAN OF GOD MAY BE PERFECT, THOROUGHLY
FURNISHED UNTO ALL GOOD WORKS. (II Tim. 3:16,17)
4. Mythology helps us to understand the end-time deception.
For the time will come when they shall not endure sound doctrine, but
after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having
itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and
shall be turned unto fables. (Gr. muthos, or myths) (II Tim. 4:3,4)
5. God gives His people discernment to understand the future.
Call unto me and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty
things which thou knowest not. (Jer. 33:3)
B. RELEVANCE OF UNDERSTANDING THE MARK OF THE BEAST
1. If we are able to understand Bible prophecy, we must be very
close to the time of the end.
Â…the words are closed up and sealed TILL THE TIME OF THE ENDÂ…and none
of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. (Dan
12:9,10)
2. Those who understand will not be deceived by the mark, but will
learn to recognize it and those who are promoting it.
Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest
ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your
own steadfastness. (II Pet. 3:17)
3. The mark of the beast affects the eternal destiny of all who are
living during the Great Tribulation period of the end times.
And the smoke of their TORMENT ascendeth up FOREVER and ever; and they
have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and
whosoever RECEIVETH THE MARK OF HIS NAME. (Rev. 14:11)
And I sawÂ…the souls of them that were beheadedÂ…which did not do homage
to the beast, neither his image, NEITHER HAD RECEIVED HIS MARK upon
their forehead, or upon their hand; and they LIVED AND REIGNED with
Christ a thousand years. (Rev. 20:4)*

C. RESPONSIBLITY AFTER UNDERSTANDING THE MARK OF THE BEAST

And I saw...them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over
his image and over his mark... (Rev. 15:2)
1. They will obey God's commands (Do not take the mark).
The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which
are revealed belong to us and to our children, that we may DO all the
words of this law. (Deut. 29:29)
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the
CHURCHES. (Rev. 2:29)

...Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your
ears this day, that ye may LEARN THEM, and KEEP, AND DO THEM. (Deut.
5:1)

THOU SHALT NOT MAKE UNTO THEE ANY GRAVEN IMAGE, OR ANY LIKENESS OF ANY
THING THAT IS IN THE HEAVEN ABOVE, or that is in the earth beneath, or
that is in the water under the earth. (Ex. 20:4)

...neither shall ye use enchantment... Ye shall not make any CUTTINGS
IN YOUR FLESH... nor PRINT ANY MARKS UPON YOU: I am the Lord. (Lev.
19:26, 28)

2. They will help others to understand by revealing the mark.
And they that understand among the people shall instruct many... (Dan.
11:33)

D. RESOURCES USED TO PROVE THE MARK OF THE BEAST

1. Scripture
a. The Interlinear Greek English New Testament: King James Version
is used as the basis for Scripture verses.
b. New Versions are cited which reveal Satan's agenda.
2. Occult Sources

E. REASONS WE BELIEVE THE SIX-POINTED STAR IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST

1. Scriptural support
a. The Textus Receptus

The King James Version does not always follow the Textus Receptus.
The verses pertaining to the mark of the beast are different in each.
Our position is that the Textus Receptus was verbally inspired by God
and is the complete revelation of His will for the salvation of men.
The Textus Receptus states that the mark will be on or upon the hand
or forehead. The George Ricker Berry Interlinear Greek-English New
Testament (Textus Receptus) reads thus:
And it causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor,
and the free and the bondmen, that it should give them a mark on their
right hand, or on their foreheads; and that no one should be able to
buy or to sell, except he who has the mark or the name of the beast,
or the number of its name. (Rev. 13:16,17)

And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any
man do homage to the beast and his image, and receive his mark ON his
forehead, or UPON his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the
wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his
indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the
presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the
smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have
no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and
whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

And I saw thrones; and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to
them; and the souls of those beheaded on account of the testimony of
Jesus, and on account of the word of God, and those who did not do
homage to the beast, nor his image, and did not recieve the mark upon
their forehead, and upon their hand; and they lived and reigned with
Christ the thousand years... (Rev. 20:4)

b. Strong's Concordance
The Greek word for "mark" in these verses is charagma. Strong's
Concordance defines this word as a mark that is stamped, branded,
imprinted or engraved on the individual's forehead or hand, rather
than implanted in the skin.
5480 charagma {khar'-ag-mah} from the same as 5482; TDNT - 9:416,1308;
n n

AV - mark 8, graven 1; 9

1) a stamp, an imprinted mark
1a) of the mark stamped on the forehead or the right hand as the
badge of the followers of the Antichrist
1b) the mark branded upon horses
2) thing carved, sculpture, graven work
2a) of idolatrous images

c. Bible prophecy
The book of Revelation places the mandatory reception of the Mark of
the Beast in chapter 13, after the seven seal judgments and seven
trumpet judgments have taken place. Prior to this, Rev. 11:18 refers
to nations which have destroyed the earth: And the nations were angry,
and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be
judged...and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Our report on Heeding Bible Prophecy reveals that the occult plan for
the New Age is to go *back to the future* -- to revert mankind to the
pre-flood days of Noah and ultimately to the Garden of Eden. The
rationale for destroying the earth is the Gnostic belief that the
world was created by an evil Demiurge and that the material world is
inherently evil. In order for man to transcend matter, and attain to
godhood, the world must be annihilated. It logically follows that the
destruction caused by mankind and the severity of God's judgments will
disable the current systems of advanced technology that are required
for a microchip implant. The chip implant, however, will be promoted
by the occult societies as a counterfeit mark of the beast during the
first half of the Tribulation period. To further deceive, a *false*
Antichrist and *false* False Prophet will be staged and judged at
mid-Tribulation by the *real* Antichrist, who poses as *The Christ.*
At mid-Trib, after approximately one half of the world has been
decimated, mankind will revert to a sophisticated system of barter and
exchange, which is already in place. The true mark of the beast --
the six-pointed star -- will then be branded as a tattoo upon those
who vow their allegiance to Satan at the Luciferic initiation.
2. Occult sources reveal the Mark of the Beast (Lucifer)
a. The great seal (mark) of Lucifer is the six-pointed
star.

"I" Sail with the Seal
by John M. Tapia

*I*am that I am the *I* as I am
in you as I am in all things.
*I*give you my peace to mankind
my peace the peace of *I*
*I* made heaven for those who are
worthy to be aware of all of light
*I* made you because of love,
you are my family of the greater whole
of the universe.
MY SYMBOL IN LIGHT IS THE SIX POINTED
STAR THE STAR OF HEAVEN
THIS IS MY GREAT SEAL.


b. The six-pointed star symbolizes man's ascent to divinity:
"The Septenary Universe unfolds seamlessly from Infinity to the
physical plane but it was divided into Seven Planes of Existence--or
states of consciousness--by The Hierarchy who released this
information through Mme. Blavatsky. The Three Higher Planes--Atma
(Infinity), Buddhi (Light) and Manas (Higher Intelligence) constitute
the Higher Self. The Higher Self is represented by the triangle
pointing upwards. Interestingly enough, everyone and everything in the
Universe has the same three principles in their seven-principled
bodies and this constitutes the principle of Universal Brotherhood.
"The triangle pointing downwards is representative of the lower
self, the three principles of sensient life--the 'breath of life'
(which is a reflection of the Highest Principle), the Astral Body and
the physical Body.
"When we come into existence, these two triangles are separated,
the higher above the lower. In between is a single point of
consciousness which represets the soul. The soul is the vehicle of our
desires. If we desire the things of the lower principles, the fire of
out soul is directed downward and, if our lower desires are strong
enough, goes out.
"However, if we direct the fire upwards into our Higher Self, we
receive the higher energies necessary to RAISE OUR LOWER SELF into
harmony with our Higher Self. Thus the lower and Higher self become
locked together in place in perfect Union by the principle of the
soul. Thus we attain full consciousness awareness on ALL PLANES of the
universe and he have, in effect, spiritualized our lower self, to the
point where it has raised its energies into Union with the Higher.
"As the great metaphysician Mme. Helena Roerich said, 'Man becomes
simply a god...and then God.'" - GaiaMind
c. The six-pointed star is considered by occultists to be the
Star of Bethlehem which will precede the Advent of *Christ*.
Immediately after the tribulation of those days...shall appear
the sign of the Son of man in heaven... (Matt. 24:29-30)
"The Star is the symbol of the perfect life, the perfect balance,
of the Christ-man. The six-pointed star is the Star of Bethlehem,
which again means the Star of the Son of man...
"The star with the six points represents the star of Light...of
brotherhood, the Star of Christ. The love of Christ is represented by
this Star. So, we have in that symbol a representation of the Ancient
Wisdom, and the love of Christ, the wisdom and love combined, which is
to be realized by humanity in this New Age - the age of Aquarius." -
GaiaMind

THE SIX~POINTED STAR

THE MARK OF THE BEAST



PART II



HISTORY OF THE SIX-POINTED STAR






A. The 6-pointed star is not a Jewish symbol, but an Egyptian
symbol which Israel adopted in the wilderness due to their apostasy

Acts 7:37-43 This is that Moses...to whom our fathers wold not obey,
but thrust him from them, and IN THEIR HEARTS TURNED BACK AGAIN INTO
EGYPT... And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifices
unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands. Then God
turned, and gave them up to worship the HOST OF HEAVEN: as it is
written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye
offered to Me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of FORTY YEARS
IN THE WILDERNESS? Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the
STAR OF YOUR GOD REMPHAN, figures which ye made to worship them: and I
will carry you away beyond Babylon.
Amos 5:26-27 But ye have born the tabernacle of your Moloch, and Chiun
(Remphan) your images, the STAR OF YOUR GOD, which ye made to
yourselves. Therefore, will I cause you to go into captivity beyond
Damascus, saith the Lord...
"The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia declares that the SIX-POINTED
STAR...according to the Rosicrucians...was known to the ancient
Egyptians." (Graham, p. 13)
"SIX TRIANGLES...is the Egyptian hieroglyphic for the ...Land of the
Spirits." (Churchward, p. 177)
"Ancient Egyptian Seal of Solomon" (Churchward, p. 188)
"In the Astro-Mythology of the Egyptians, we find belief in the first
man-god (Horus I) ...and his death and resurrection as Amsu"
"This (6-pointed star) was the first sign or hieroglyphic of Amsu"
"Amsu - the risen Horus - was the first man-god risen in spiritual
form." (Churchward, p. 3, 65, 38)

B. The six pointed star is associated with Saturn worship.
Therefore, the beast is Saturn, and his mark is the 6-pointed star.

Acts 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the STAR OF
YOUR GOD REMPHAN, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will
carry you away beyond Babylon.
Amos 5:26-27 But ye have born the tabernacle of your Moloch, and Chiun
(Remphan) your images, the STAR OF YOUR GOD, which ye made to
yourselves. Therefore, will I cause you to go into captivity beyond
Damascus, saith the Lord...
Ref. Strong's Concordance
4481 Rhemphan {hrem-fan'} by incorrect transliteration for a word of
Hebrew origin 3594; n pr m AV - Remphan 1; 1 Remphan = "the shrunken
(as lifeless)" 1) the name of an idol worshipped secretly by the
Israelites in the wilderness

3594 Kiyuwn {kee-yoon'} from 3559; n pr dei AV - Chiun 1; 1 Chiun =
"an image" or "pillar" 1) probably a statue of the Assyrian-Babylonian
god of the planet Saturn and used to symbolise Israelite apostasy

TALISMAN OF SATURN
"On the first face is engraved...a pentagram or a star with five
points. On the other side is engraved a bull's head enclosed in a
SIX-POINTED STAR, and surrounded by letters composing the name REMPHA,
THE PLANETARY GENIUS OF SATURN, according to the alphabet of the
Magi." (Christian, p. 304-5)

Talismans of the Magi
"Theophrastus Paracelsus revived, in the XVIth century, the ancient
doctrine of Talismans, which he claimed to be able to use successfully
in the treatment of illnesses and accidents. This medical doctrine,
derived from the Cabala, or secret tradition of the Jewish rabbis, was
said to be borrowed from the ancient occult sciences of Chaldea and
Egypt. The talisman (tsilmenaia) signifies an image, a figure, and was
engraved in the form of an emblem or symbol on metals consecrated to
the genii of the seven planets. This magical task had to be carried
out at a fixed time of a certain day, with the firm intention of
attracting to the talisman the beneficent influence of the genius
which was invoked, whether for health or any other protective
measures...

The Talisman of Saturn
Talisman of Jupiter
The Talisman of Mars
Talisman of the Sun
Talisman of Venus
The Talisman of Mercury
The Talisman of the Moon
"These are the principal Talismans whose traditions have been
preserved for us by the most ancient monuments of the highest magical
art and by the most reliable archaeologists in this type of research.
These talismans are recommended under the name of Teraphim by the
Hebrew Qabalists of the Middle Ages, who replace the names of the
planetary Genii of Egypt by those of: Oriphiel (Rempha), Zachariel
(Pi-Zeus), Samael (Ertosill), Michael (Pi-Rh3), Anabel (Suroth),
Raphael (Pi-Hermes) and Gabriel (Pi-Ioh). These Cabalists add another
seven talismans to which they attribute the power of conjuring the
influence of seven demons who, according to their doctrine, share with
the seven planetary angels the government of the divine creation.
Against the angel of Saturn they set the demon Nabam; against the
angel of Jupiter the demon Acham; against the angel of Mars the demon
Nambroth; against the angel of Venus the demon Lilith or Naemah;
against the angel of Mercury the demon Astaroth or Tharthac; and
against the angel of the Moon the demon Sathan, See Judges xvii and
xviii in the Bible. The Teraphim appear to correspond to the serpent
images or seraphim. which in turn are said to derive from the Kabeiri
Assyrian divinities worshipped at Hebron (Beni Anak). The Daimons or
male spirits of the planets are now given by esoteric students of the
Qabala as: Adonai=sun, Evoe=Moon. Saba=Mars, Astaphoi=Mercury,
Eloi=Jupiter. Ouraioa=Venus and Ilde-baoth, or according to the
Orphites Jahweh= Saturn."
"Now, the name SATURN in Chaldee is pronounced Satur; but, as every
Chaldee scholar knows, consists only of four letters, thus - Stur [ed.
Star?]. This name contains exactly the Apocalyptic number." (Hislop,
p. 269)
S = 060
T = 400
U = 006
R = 200
= 666
"Sri Aurobindo, a Hindu guru well-known in the New Age affirms that
SATURN IS REPRESENTED BY THE NUMBER 6Â… because the planet Saturn is
6th of the nine planets in distance from the sun." (Marrs: Mystery
Mark, p. 68)

C. Dagon, the fish-god, is associated with the forehead and hands,
the location of the mark of the beast.

Note: Dagon's crown is the top of a 6-pointed star.


Rev. 13:1 And I saw the BEAST RISE UP OUT OF THE SEA
Rev. 13:16 Â…a mark IN THEIR RIGHT HAND, OR IN THEIR FOREHEADS
I Sam. 5:4 And when they arose early on the morrow morning, behold,
Dagon was fallen upon his face to the earth before the ark of the
Lord; and the HEAD OF DAGON AND BOTH THE PALMS OF HIS HANDS WERE CUT
OFF upon the threshold; only did the stump of Dagon was left to him.
1. If Saturn = Noah, and Dagon = Noah, then Saturn = Dagon
"Noah is celebratedÂ…by the name Saturn, 'the hidden one'" (Hislop, p.
136)
"Out of (the) deluge emerged DAGON, the fish-god, or GOD OF THE SEAÂ…
In the secret mysteriesÂ… they sought to regain their influence and
power by scenic representationÂ… of the flood, in which NOAH was
introduced under the name DAGON." (Hislop, p. 243-44)
"...Dagon or Oannes, a half-human, half-fish combination who was known
as the 'Lord of the Flood',...was said to rise out of the sea every
day to teach his secret knowledge to those who followed him. He is
mentioned in Samuel, Chapter 5, when the Philistines capture the Ark
of the Covenant and place it in the Temple of Dagon. Two nights later,
'Dagon was fallen upon is face to the ground before the Ark of the
Lord; and the head of Dagon and both the palms of his hands were cut
off upon the threshold; only the stump of Dagon was left to him.' It
is this character upon which Satan or Lucifer is based, but the
physical description attributed to him applied to an entire race of
'gods', or as they were described in the Bible, Nephilim, or Fallen
Angels, the 'Great Old Ones'..." (Twyman)

2. In the mystery religions, both the forehead and hands were
tattooed during rites of initiation.
(Reason for Dagon's hands and head cut off)
Concerning Mithraism: "INITIATION was performed by two dignitaries,
who possessed the title of Father and Herald. After the ceremony (the
initiate) would be considered the brotherÂ…of the other initiates and
the son of the FatherÂ… In order to be recognized by the Father, he has
to be TATOOED, in other words, BRANDED ON BOTH HANDSÂ… On portraits of
emperors, these TATOO MARKS are clearly visible, but ON THE FOREHEAD,
IN PLACE OF THE HANDS." (Vermaseren, p. 131)
3. A six-pointed star was used in mystery religion initiation
rites.
"In an ancient book on numbers the INITIATE is defined as 'the one who
has experienced and expressed 666 and found it naught; who has dropped
the 6 and become the 66, and thus found himself on the Way; later,
again, he drops the 6 and becomes the PERFECTED 6-FORM, the instrument
and expression of spirit." (Bailey: Rays and Initiations, p. 80)
"This is the sign with which the Magus DECORATED HIMSELF when he has
reached the HIGHEST DEGREE OF INITIATION" (Christian, p. 110-111)
The Crown of the Magi


D. The beast out of the sea with 7 heads (Saturn) is actually the
earthly incarnation of Satan, the 7-headed serpent.

Rev. 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a
GREAT RED DRAGON, HAVING SEVEN HEADS and ten hornsÂ…
Rev. 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called
the Devil, and SATANÂ…
Rev. 13:1 And IÂ…saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having SEVEN HEADS
and ten horns.
"The 7-headed dragon and BEAST OF THE BOOK OF REVELATIONÂ… have their
origin in the 7-headed serpent which is MENTIONED IN THE PYRAMID
TEXT." (Churchward, p. 210)
"It is 'SATAN who is the god of our planet and the only god'Â… In the
order of divine evolution SATURN (SATAN), astronomically, 'is the
seventh and last in the order of macrocosmic emanation'" (Blavatsky,
p. 234, quoting Dr. A. Kingsford: Perfect Way, Appendix: The Secret of
Satan)
"The SATURNIAN SPIRIT, 'SATAN' Â…ensouls the Third great major or
Primary Ray of Deity." (Marrs: Mystery Mark, p. 69, quoting Vera
Stanley Alder)

E. The 7 heads represent the kings of 7 world kingdoms which have
been possessed by Satan.

Rev. 17:9-11 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads
areÂ…SEVEN KINGS: 5 have fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet
come: and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the
beast that was, and is not, even he is the EIGHTH, and is of the
seven, and goeth into perdition.
1. The Kingdoms
a. 5 have fallen
1) Egypt
"Horus I represents the soul of life, which came by water to a dried
up worldÂ… Here the FISHÂ…was a sign of his incorporation in matterÂ…
Horus came by water as Ichtus the FISH before there was a boat or ArkÂ…
The inundation (of the Nile) was the source of the life of Egypt. It
was her annual salvation, and HorusÂ…the Fish-man, was her Saviour."
(Churchward, p. 420-21)
2) Babylon
"In Babylon, Capricorn symbolized the dual life of Ea, a god often
shown walking in a great FISH-SHAPED cloak with the head of a FISH
over his own headÂ… It was said to have come from the OCEAN to teach
men how to live."

3) Assyria
"In the great Assyrian temple of AssurÂ…stood a large stone ritual
basin dedicated to the god OANNESÂ… Flanking him are 4 FISH-CLAD
priests." (Johnson, p. 243) In an etching of "Assyria, 7th century
BCE: FISH-CLAD priests." (Johnson, p. 245)

4) Medo-Persia
"DAGONÂ…under the name 'MITHRA', was worshipped." (Hislop, p. 264)
"In Mythraic mysteries, SATURN was the Sun God." (Springmeier, p. 160,
quoting Manly P. Hall)
5) Greece
"Jerome calls DAGONÂ…fish of sorrow which goes far to identify that
Fish-god with Bacchus." (Hislop, p. 114)
b. One is - Imperial Rome
"SATURN wandered to Italy, where he ruled as king in the Golden Age
and gave the name SATURNIA to the country." (Encyclopedia Britannica,
"Saturn," p. 231)
c. One is yet to come - Papal Rome
"About the very time when the Bishop of Rome was invested with the
pagan title of Pontifex, the Saviour began to be called ICHTHUS, of
'THE FISH', thereby identifying him with DAGON." (Hislop, p. 215)
"The two-horned mitre, which the Pope wearsÂ…is the very mitre worn by
DAGON." (Hislop, p. 215)


d. Eighth Beast - World Kingdom
"The religion of SATURNÂ…teachesÂ…the RETURN OF THE LOST SON SATURN."
(Springmeier, p. 160-61)
"The Merovingian dynasty - male line (are) descendants of the FISHER
KINGS." (Gardner, p. 163)
"Between the 5th and 7th centuries the MEROVINGIANS ruled large parts
of Â… France and GermanyÂ… The ruler from whom the Merovingians derived
their name isÂ…MeroveeÂ…a semi-supernatural figure worthy of classical
MYTHÂ… His nameÂ… echoes the French word ofÂ…SEAÂ…Merovee's mother
supposedly went swimming in the OCEAN. In the water she is said to
have been seduced and/or raped byÂ… a BEAST OF NEPTUNE." (Baigent, p.
396)
Coat of Arms of Rennes-le-Chateau (Merovingian castle) (Baigent, p.
396)

2. The Kings
a. King of Tyre
Ezek. 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyre, Thus saith the
Lord God; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said I am a
God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou are
a manÂ…
Ezek. 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of TyrusÂ…
Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; Â… Thou art the anointed
cherub that coverethÂ…
b. King of Egypt
Ezek. 29:3 Â… Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee
Pharaoh KING OF EGYPT, THE GREAT DRAGON that lieth in the midst of his
rivers.
"In the Pyramid texts the king was regarded as the SON AND EMBODIMENT
OF THE SOLAR DEITY. In this capacity he was the EARTHLY REPRESENTATIVE
and high priest of his heavenly Father Re - A GOD IN HUMAN FORM."
(James, p. 2)
c. King of Babylon
"In Babylonia theÂ…rulerÂ…was regarded as actually the MANIFESTATION OF
THE DEITY." (James, p. 7)

Part III: Present Uses of the Six-Pointed Star

THE SIX~POINTED STAR

THE MARK OF THE BEAST



Part III

Present Use of the Six-Pointed Star


Economy
Education
Environment
Government
People/Society
Religion



A. ECONOMY

And that no might BUY OR SELL, save he that had the mark,
or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. (Rev. 13:17)

1. Money
"SATURN was alsoÂ…connected withÂ…the minting of COINS: he was the
guardian of the TREASURY." (Cavendish, p. 479-80)
Great Seal of the United States on the back of the $1.00 bill
Note: The six-pointed star is above the eagle in the form of 13 stars.
"In God we trust" presumably refers to Saturn, "guardian of the
treasury."




2. Banking
a. MONDEX electronic banking
"The system is based on smartcard technologyÂ… All transactions are
being made secure by adopting SET protocols (Secure Electronic
Transactions), and will display the SET MARK." (Despatch News Update,
7/22/97, "Mondex & Your Future")
[Presumably, the SET mark will be the same as, and will utilize, the
star key on your telephone and computer to interact with the system.]
(Albert) "Pike explains that the BLAZING STARÂ…representsÂ… Star of
Horus,Â…Morning Star,Â… Star of SET,Â… Lucifer" (Burns: Hidden Secrets of
the Eastern Star, p. 52-3)
"The BLAZING STAR IS PROPERLY SIX-POINTED" (Leadbeater, p. 79)
b. Hexagon Global Electronic Banking



"Hexagon is the global electronic banking service of the HSBC Group,
specifically designed for the corporate market. HSBC, which is
controlled by the Bank of England, recently bought Republic National
Bank and most of the Bank of Malta. HSBC is a participating
institution of the Mondex system, with trials in Canada, Hong Kong,
Australia and United States, and plans to market the smart card system
in the U.S."





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B. EDUCATION

And he causeth all, both SMALL and greatÂ…to receive a markÂ…
1. Curricula
a. America 2000 [GOALS 2000] - note the triangle within a
triangle (more evident when seen in color)





b. Education 2000 Curriculum






3. Higher Learning
a. Oakland Community College




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C. ENVIRONMENT

1. Food
a. MorningStar Fishermen
"Hans Geissler has taken Jesus' admonition to feed the hungry one step
further. He's teaching the hungry to feed themselves - with fish found
in GalileeÂ… Geissler named MorningStar Fishermen in honor of Jesus,
who is often called the 'bright morning star,' with a LOGO OF THE STAR
OF DAVID." (The Tampa Tribune-Times, Aug. 24, 1997)
2. Healthcare
a. Proposed Universal Healthcare Card




b. Ambulance EMS Symbol - The Star of Life

c. Drug Companies
Bristol-Myers Squibb





3. Astrology
"The SIX-POINTED STAR is essential to astrologyÂ…as the Zodiacal chart
cannot be cast without this symbol." (Graham, p. 94)
Israel Regardie says that the HEXAGRAM "represents the operation of
the 7 planets." (Regardie: Golden Dawn, p. 287)
4. UFOs


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D. GOVERNMENT

1. Military
Â…and they worshipped the beast, sayingÂ…who is able to make WAR with
him? (Rev. 13:4)
And it was given unto him to make WAR with the saints and to overcome
them. (Rev. 13:7)
"(SATURN) is connected with...the goddess Lua, to whom captured
weapons were dedicated." (Cavendish, p. 479-80)

2. Citizenry
Planetary Citizens/Planetary Initiative for the World We Choose

"It comes out of the United Nations and lists among its founding
organizations the Club of Rome and the Association for Humanistic
Psychology. David Spangler and Robert Muller are board membersÂ… Its
director (is) Donald Keys." (Hunt, p. 81)




3. National Symbol
Great Seal (Mark) of the United States

(Note: This says "of the United States", not "United States of
America", looking forward to their plan for "Novus Ordo Seclorum", a
"New World Order."



4. Police
a. Sheriff badges
b. Guardian alarm systems





Part III-A: Other Current Uses of the Six-Pointed Star

THE SIX-POINTED STAR

THE MARK OF THE BEAST



PART III-A

PRESENT USE OF THE SIX-POINTED STAR




E. PEOPLE / SOCIETY

Neither repented they of their...sorceries (Rev. 9:21)
"The HEXAGRAM is used in magic, witchcraft, occultism." (Burns: Hidden
Secrets of the Eastern Star, pp. 170-71, quoting Stewart Farrar)
1. Youth
"Generation X"


2. Holidays
Halloween

"Halloween...emanates from the 14th century... when the Druids would
knock on the doors of the castles demanding the young maiden or
princess for their sacrifices. If they were not given the maiden, they
would paint a HEXAGRAM on the door to tell...that all should die in
that household." (Graham, p. 98)
"As darkness set in on October 31st, the clan of Druids would put on
their white robes and hoods. They would carry sickles and Celtic
crosses as they began a torchlight procession. At the beginning of the
procession, a male slave was killed and dragged by a rope fastened to
his left ankle. The Druids would walk until they came to a house or a
village where they shouted the equivalent of 'trick or treat.' The
treat was a slave girl or any female to be given to the Druids. If the
people refused to a girl as a 'treat', blood was taken from the dead
slave and used to draw a HEXAGRAM or SIX-POINTED STAR on the door or
wall of the village. Spirits of the 'horned hunter of the night' were
invoked by the Druids to kill someone in that house or village by fear
that night." (Meyer: "Halloween and the Forces of Darkness")

3. Communications
a. Telephone star key
b. MCI Communications Corporation

c. Sprint Corporation




4. Sports
Olympic Games

4. Occult Societies
a. Freemasonry
"If the two lateral lines of the STAR OF DAVID are removed, leaving
the upward and downward pointing arrows...the result is the
Freemason's square and compass." (Knight, p. 240)

"The BLAZING STAR IS PROPERLY SIX-POINTED... the sign of the deity,
and to make that more evident, in the middle of it is usually
inscribed the letter 'G', for God... In Co-Masonic lodges, the usual
form... is a serpent curled round with its tail in its mouth... This
was the original form, but the head of the serpent was altered so as
to form the letter G." (Leadbeater, p. 79)
"I have seen a painting (in which) the BLAZING STAR in the center
existed, but it had 8 points instead of 6 or 5. It was called 'the
star of the dawn' or 'MORNING STAR'; and represented HORUS of the
resurrection, who was pictured as bearing it upon his HEAD and as
having given it to his followers." (Leadbeater, p. 7)
b. Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn
The HEXAGRAM is used in occultist Aleister Crowley's "ritual of the
BEAST." (Aleister Crowley: Magic Book #4)
Israel Regardie reveals that the "HEXAGRAMS OF SATURN" are used in his
magical initiation rites. (Regardie, p. 288)
Hexagram variations (Regardie, p. 294-95)
"This diagram... from the lid of Christian Rosenkreutz' tomb depicts
the Higher Self enthroned in the candidate's (initiate's) psyche."
(Israel Regardie, Initiation, and Psychotherapy by Cris Monnastre and
David Griffin, Gnosis Magazine, Fall 1995, p. 41)
[Note: 6-pointed star is located on the RIGHT HAND]


c. Emblem of the Theosophical Society










"THE INTERLACED TRIANGLES, one (lighter) pointing upwards and the
other (darker) pointing downwards, symbolise the descent of spirit
into matter and its emergence from the confining limits of form. At
the same time they suggest the constant conflict between light and
dark forces in nature and man. When, as in the emblem, the double
triangle is depicted within the circle of the Serpent, the whole of
manifested nature is represented, the universe bounded by the
limitations of time and space. The symbol of the interlaced triangles
is known in the Hebrew religion as the Seal of Solomon or the Star of
David."



d. New Age / Wicca
Tarot Cards



"A growing number of New Agers HAVE ALREADY UNDERGONE AN INITIATION
CEREMONY AND ACCEPTED THE MARK. They almost universally report that
although they approach the ceremony with dread and foreboding, after
it is over... 'I discovered that the LINES ON THE PALM OF MY RIGHT
HAND HAD BEEN ALTERED, and a portion of them now FORMED A SIX-POINTED
STAR about an inch in circumference. It terrified me when I first
spotted it... But as time went on, I learned to accept the changes
within my body, and I really felt quite special." (Marrs: Mystery
Mark, p. 39)
A tattoo on the abdomen of a Wicca initiate:


5. Tattoos/Branding
a. U.S. News & World Report, May 5, 1997, p. 10
"As more Americans proudly display tattoos and pierced body parts,
others are adopting another form of 'body art': branding. Strips of
surgical steel are heated to 1,100 degrees Fahrenheit and pressed into
the skin to produce scars in a variety of shapes.
"Though far less common than tattoos or piercing, branding has caught
on since its commercial infancy a decade ago on the West Coast;
branding salons have set up shop in the East, particularly in the New
York area. Two years ago, Primal Urge, a branding and piercing parlor
in New Hope, Pa., performed only two or three brandings each month.
Now Primal Urge brands a customer nearly every business day; the
average age of the customers is in the mid-30s.
"Pierced skin will usually close up and tattoos can be removed with
lasers, but brands are forever. Many brandees are less focused on the
indelible future than the moment of searing pain and the ensuing
endomorphin rush. Psychologists say this masochism sets branding apart
from milder forms of body art. 'A lot of healthy, normal people go in
for a belly-button piercing,' says Wendy Lader, a clinical
psychologist at the Rock Creek Center in Lemont, Ill. 'But with
branding, there may be some kinship with self-mutilation. It's the
process that they're after rather than the outcome.'"
b. Chakra Piercing
"Chakras are the major energy centres within our bodies, called such
in the Hindu traditions which have been their main advocates. Body
Piercing is an ancient tradition of gnosis which has gained increasing
popularity in recent years in various subcultures. One of my aims with
performing piercings at these energy centres is to unite these
traditions, to open awareness of the chakra energies to the
physical/materialist-orientated western mind, and to acknowledge body
piercing as an ancient and valid means of gnosis, rather than just a
decorative art.
"What is within is brought without. The location of the chakra points
is thus demonstrated -although piercings are only basically surface
punctures, they do focus the attention on a certain area and thus
activate the energies there, as in acupuncture techniques. The
physical sensation of pain also releases chemicals in the body which
help induce gnosis and trance."


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F. RELIGION

1. Israel / Judaism
a. World Jewish Congress
"The HEXAGRAM was adopted by the Zionist Organization at the First
Zionist Congress in 1897." (Cavendish, p. 1300)

b. Flag of Israel
"While the State of Israel, it its search for Jewish authenticity,
chose as its emblem the menorah... the Magen David (6-pointed star)
was maintained on the national (formerly Zionist) flag." (Encyclopedia
Judaica: Magen David", p. 697)

2. Roman Catholic
Pope John Paul II Commemorative Coin

3. Evangelical/Protestant

a. Jay Gary's book, The Star of 2000
(Note: the 6 loop on the "S" of Star POINTS to the star, which equals
a 6-pointed star)

b. Focus on the Family
"Why Knighthood is Relevant to Fathers and Sons Today"
"First, the knight embodied a well-defined set of ideals... and
embraced a moral code of honor. They pledged themselves to their lord,
their king and their God. Many knights also became... 'Knights of
Christ'... When he turned 21, he was eligible for Knighthood. An
elaborate INITIATION... marked the completion of the process... I
BELIEVE IT IS TIME TO RESURRECT THE CHIVALROUS KNIGHT: his ideals, his
process, and HIS CEREMONIES. I WANT HIM TO SPEAK TO A NEW
GENERATION... OUR SONS!" (Lewis: Raising a Modern-Day Knight, pp.
7-18)



c. The Center for Christ (Newsletter)

d. Youth Ministry
Uth Stuph Resources

T-Shirt Designs



4. Messianic Jews
a. Jews for Jesus


b. Union of Messianic Jewish Congregations



c. Moriel Ministries (Jacob Prasch)


d. Ariel Ministries (Arnold Fructenbaum)






Part IV: Satan's Future Plans for the Six-Pointed Star


THE SIX~POINTED STAR

THE MARK OF THE BEAST



PART IV

SATAN'S FUTURE PLANS FOR THE SIX-POINTED STAR





A. The New World Order will be called Saturn's Golden Age.

"Here is the general reformation of the world announced in the
Rosicrucian manifestos described as a world reformationÂ… It will bring
the world back to the state in which Adam found it, which was also
SATURN'S GOLDEN AGEÂ… This return to the golden age of Adam and SATURN,
is said to be assisted by 'the high society of the Rosicrucians."
(Yates, p. 57)
B. The Prieuré de Sion / Merovingian dynasty will rule the world,
claiming to be the bloodline of Jesus.
"The avowed and declared objective of the Prieuré de Sion is the
RESTORATION OF THE MEROVINGIAN DYNASTY AND BLOODLINE - not only to the
throne of France, but to the thrones of other European nations as
well." (Baigent, p. 107)

"Our researchers have persuaded us thatÂ… the claim to legitimacy of
such a monarchy rests on a MEROVINGIAN DESCENT FROM JESUS." (Baigent,
p. 406)
"We do not think the Incarnation truly symbolizes what it is intended
to symbolize unless JESUS WAS MARRIED AND SIRED CHILDREN." (Baigent,
p. 409)
"We cannot point to one man and assert that he is Jesus' lineal
descendantÂ… There are at least a dozen families in Britain and Europe
todayÂ… who are of Merovingian lineage. These include the houses of
Hapsburg-Lorrain,Â… PLANTARD, Luxembourg, Montpazat, Montesquiou, Â… the
Sinclair family of BritainÂ… as are various branches of the STUARTS
(STEWARTS)." (Baigent, pp. 511-12)
(See: False Messiah/Rulers for information on Prince Michael Stewart
and Thomas Plantard, son of past Grand Master of the Prieuré de Sion,
Pierre Plantard de Saint-Claire.)
C. The six-pointed star will be given at the Luciferic initiation.
"The Masters of WisdomÂ…will restore upon earth the ancient mysteries
and institute again the order of INITIATION." (Bailey: Esoteric
Psychology II, pp. 656-57)
"Lucifer works within each of us to bring us to wholeness, and as we
move into a NEW AGE Â…each of us in some way is brought to that point
which I term the LUCIFERIC INITIATION, the particular doorway through
which the individual MUST pass if he is to come fully into the
presence of his light and his wholeness."
"Lucifer prepares man in all ways for the EXPERIENCE OF CHRISTHOODÂ…
The light that reveals to us the presence of the ChristÂ… comes from
Lucifer. He is the light giver. HE IS APTLY NAMED THE MORNING STAR
because it is his light that heralds for man the dawn of a great
consciousnessÂ… He stands Â…as the GREAT INITIATOR, the one who hands
the soul over to the Christ." (Burns: Jay Gary, The Millennium Doctor,
p. 2,3, quoting David Spangler)
"In 'The Reappearance of the Christ and the Masters of Wisdom' (p.
84), (Benjamin) Crème states: 'Through the MASONIC tradition and
certain esoteric groups will come the process of INITIATION. In this
coming age millions of people will take the first and second
initiation through these transformed and purified institutions."
(Smith, p. 66)
"In Revelation the Son of God promises to give the MORNING STAR to him
that overcomethÂ… The Morning Star was equally identified with HORUSÂ…
the Star of DawnÂ… Henceforth the Morning Star was given to the
followers of Horus, therefore we (Masons) use it." (Churchward, p.
206)
(In Masonic initiations) "The STAR always floating over the head of an
INITIATE betokens the power of the king, upon which he can draw at any
moment, while the STAR UPON HIS FOREHEAD is the symbol of his own
acquired power." (Leadbeater, p. 313)

"The goal of the initiatory process is to admit mankind into
realization of and identification withÂ… DEITY." (Bailey: Rays &
Initiation, pp. 79-80)
"The goal of 'cosmic evolution' and the 'destiny' of humanity (is) to
realize its inherent GODHOOD referred to by U.N.'s Robert Muller."
(Hunt, p. 55)
Gen. 3:4-5 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely
die. For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes
shall be opened, and YE SHALL BE AS GODS, knowing good and evil.

D. The world will be deceived that the six-pointed star is the mark
of Christ/Messiah, and should be the mark of Christianity.

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven. (Matt.
24:30)
[Concerning the Star of David]
"The upwards pointing pyramid is an ancient symbol for the power of a
king, with its base resting on Earth and its summit reaching to
Heaven. The other (pyramid) represents the power of the priest,
established in Heaven and reaching down to Earth. In this overlapping
form it is the MARK OF THE DOUBLE MESSIAHÂ… As such it is the ONLY TRUE
SIGN OF JESUS, and it carries the extra meaning as being the BRIGHT
STAR OF DAVID'S LINE THAT AROSE IN THE MORNINGÂ… IF THE STAR OF DAVID
IS THE SYMBOL OF THE UNIFIED MESSIAH-SHIP OF JESUS, IT SHOULD BE THE
MARK OF CHRISTIANITY." (Knight, pp. 239-41)

E. Mankind will be intimidated and receive the mark through fear of
death should he reject it. Those who speak against it will be labeled
"racist" and "anti-Semitic" due to the world's misconception that the
six-pointed star is Jewish.

Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the
markÂ…
Rev. 20:4 And I sawÂ…the souls of them that were beheaded for the
WITNESS of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not
worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark
upon their foreheads, or in their handsÂ…
F. Since important verses related to the mark and the morning star
have been revised, false teachers will use new Bible versions to
justify receiving the mark.
Amos 5:26-27
KJV - But ye have born the tabernacle of your MOLOCH and CHIUN
(Saturn), your images, the star of your god, which ye made to
yourselves. Therefore, will I cause you to go into CAPTIVITY beyond
Damascus...

NASV - You also carried along SIKKUTH your King and Kiyyn, your
images, the star of your gods which you made for yourselves. Therefore
I will make you go into EXILE beyond Damascus...

NIV - You have lifted up the shrine of your king, the pedestal of your
idols, the star of your god which you made for yourselves. Therefore I
will send you into EXILE beyond Damascus...

"CHIUN: See REMPHAN. Another name for the god SATURN" (Strong's
Concordance p. 194)
3594 Chiun = "an image" or "pillar" 1) probably a statue of the
Assyrian-Babylonian god of the planet Saturn and used to symbolise
Israelite apostasy

Isaiah 14:12
KJV - How art thou fallen from heaven, O LUCIFER, SON OFTHE MORNING
NASV - How you have fallen from heaven, O STAR OF THE MORNING, SON OF
THE DAWN
NIV - How you have fallen from heaven, O MORNING STAR, SON OF THE DAWN

II Peter 1:19

KJV - ...until the day dawns, and the DAY STAR arises in your hearts
NASV - ...until the day dawns and the MORNING STAR arises in your
hearts
NIV - ...until the day dawns and the MORNING STAR rises in your hearts

Strong's #5459 - Greek word "PHOSOPHORUS"
"Lightbringing: sc. (that is to say) ASTER (Gr.), LUCIFER, THE MORNING
STAR; met. (metaphorically) II. Pet. 1:19" (Perschbacher)

Revelation 13:18
KJV - ... Count the number of the beast, for it is the NUMBER OF A
MAN; and his number is (666)
NIV - ... for it is MAN'S NUMBER. His number is 666.

Revelation 14:1

KJV - ... a Lamb stood on the Mount Sion, and with him (144,000)
having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
NASV - ...having HIS NAME AND the name of his Father written on their
foreheads
NIV - ... had HIS NAME AND his Father's name written on their
foreheads.



The Star of David

"...all evidence suggests that the early use of the hexagram was
limited to 'practical Kabbalah,' that is, Jewish magic, probably
dating back to the 6th century C.E. Legends connect this symbol with
the "Seal of Solomon," the magical signet ring used by King Solomon to
control demons and spirits. Although the original ring was inscribed
with the Tetragrammaton, the sacred Four-Letter Name of God, medieval
amulets imitating this ring substituted the hexagram or pentagram..."
Part V: The Gospel
The Mark: Tattoos and Branding

Designer Marks of the Beast

Sects, Symbolism & The Mark of the Beast

THE GOSPEL




For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ; for it is the power of
God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and
also unto the Greek. Romans 1:16
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospelÂ…by which ye are
savedÂ… For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also
received, how that CHRIST DIED FOR OUR SINS ACCORDING TO THE
SCRIPTURES... I Corinthians 15:1-5 -
Â…He hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is
no beauty that we should desire him. He is despised and rejected of
men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it
were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did
esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. BUT HE WAS WOUNDED
FOR OUR TRANSGRESSIONS, HE WAS BRUISED FOR OUR INIQUITIESÂ… All we like
sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and
THE LORD HATH LAID ON HIM THE INIQUITY OF US ALL. He was oppressed,
and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a
lamb to the slaughterÂ… He was taken from prison and from judgment: and
who shall declare his generation? for HE WAS CUT OFF OUT OF THE LAND
OF THE LIVING: FOR THE TRANSGRESSION OF MY PEOPLE HE WAS STRICKEN...
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when
thou shalt MAKE HIS SOUL AN OFFERING FOR SINÂ… He shall see of the
travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my
righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquitiesÂ…
Isaiah 53:1-11
...and that HE WAS BURIED, AND THAT HE ROSE AGAIN THE THIRD DAY
ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES; and that he was seenÂ…

I have set the Lord always before me: because He is at my right hand,
I shall not be moved. Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory
rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope. For Thou wilt not leave
my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer Thine Holy One to see
corruption. Psalm 16:8,9

After two days will He revive us: in the third day He will raise us
up, and we shall live in His sight. Hosea 6:2
That if thou shalt CONFESS WITH THY MOUTH THE LORD JESUS, and shalt
believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou
shalt be savedÂ… For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on Him
shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and
the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all who call upon
him. For whosoever shall CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD shall be
saved. Romans 10:9-13

Return, O LORD, DELIVER MY SOUL; OH SAVE ME FOR THY MERCIES' SAKE.
Psalm 6:4

Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in
whose spirit there is no guile. Psalm 32:1-2
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is ETERNAL LIFE
through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23

Â…for the Lord thy God, He it is that doth go with thee; He will not
fail thee, nor forsake thee. Deuteronomy 31:6


The Mark of the Beast: Tattoos & Branding

Sects, Symbolism & The Mark of the Beast

The Hebrew Roots Movement



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Steve
Brenda G. Kent
2004-08-07 03:09:04 UTC
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Ah the truth comes out...Steve is posting anti-semetic literature.


Bren
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SteveZ176
2004-08-07 03:33:56 UTC
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On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 20:09:04 -0700, "Brenda G. Kent"
Post by Brenda G. Kent
Ah the truth comes out...Steve is posting anti-semetic literature.
Bren
Hold on there, this is not Anti-Semetic, the truth be known that the
sysmbol for Israel has always been the Menorah, only when the Masonic
Rockerfellers came along in 1948 was the Satanic Star of David ( six
pointed Star) brought by force on the people there:

The number seven, not the number six is God's perfect number. The
symbol given to God's chosen race, as far back as Exodus is the
Menorah, or seven branched candle-stick.

Read all about this Menorah, which played such a vital role in the
Tabernacle and was placed in the Holy Place in Exodus 25. More verses
about the Menorah are, 1 Kings 7:49; 11 Chronicles 4:7. Also in the
New Testament, Matthew 5:15 ; Rev. 1, 2 & 19:16.
Brenda G. Kent
2004-08-07 05:52:34 UTC
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STeve said:

snip...

Hold on there, this is not Anti-Semetic

Bren says: when you say that the six pointed star is the mark of the
beast...that is anti-semetic to me.

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Terrell D Lewis
2004-08-07 05:59:03 UTC
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On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 22:52:34 -0700, "Brenda G. Kent"
Post by Brenda G. Kent
snip...
Hold on there, this is not Anti-Semetic
Bren says: when you say that the six pointed star is the mark of the
beast...that is anti-semetic to me.
Bren
"Anti-semetic" has been used so often, it no longer has any meaning,
other than that one has dared to disagree with a Jew.


Terrell
Brenda G. Kent
2004-08-07 06:21:23 UTC
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Terrell says:

"Anti-semetic" has been used so often, it no longer has any meaning,
other than that one has dared to disagree with a Jew.


Terrell


Bren says: I believe that the meaning of it is to put down someone based
on their semitic beliefs and practises period. I don't believe that the
meaning has changed.

Blessings
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Terrell D Lewis
2004-08-07 15:42:22 UTC
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On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 23:21:23 -0700, "Brenda G. Kent"
Post by Terrell D Lewis
"Anti-semetic" has been used so often, it no longer has any meaning,
other than that one has dared to disagree with a Jew.
Terrell
Bren says: I believe that the meaning of it is to put down someone based
on their semitic beliefs and practises period. I don't believe that the
meaning has changed.
Blessings
Bren
It has through mis-use and over-use, at one time, it referred to
people who were racists against Jews, but through mis-use, it
basically has come to mean, as I said, anyone who has dared to
disagree with a Jew.

Oddly, since Arabs are semites too, I wonder why they have never
picked up on it and started accusing those who disagree with Islam,
"anti-semetic."
Terrell
Brenda G. Kent
2004-08-07 17:18:03 UTC
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Terrell said:

It has through mis-use and over-use, at one time, it referred to
people who were racists against Jews, but through mis-use, it
basically has come to mean, as I said, anyone who has dared to
disagree with a Jew.

Oddly, since Arabs are semites too, I wonder why they have never
picked up on it and started accusing those who disagree with Islam,
"anti-semetic."
Terrell

**I don't believe it has been changed to mean disagreeing with a Jew. If
one uses that for that instance..then they are using the word incorrectly.
Many Arabs seem to just use the term Anti-Islamic or Anti-Muslim.


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Brenda G. Kent
2004-08-07 03:15:09 UTC
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The Star of David or six pointed star....is a symbol. Just as the
pentagram ( a sacred symbol to Wiccans) was once use in the Crusades and
called "Christ's foot" by the Christians....it has different groups laying
ownership to it...or symbols to it.

The Hexagram is two triangles interlocking. It means "as above..so
below"..the microcosm of the macrocosm....what happens in the
spirit...happens in the physical and so on. The Jews took the star as a
symbol for David. It is still...just a symbol that any will lay ownership
to. It is neither good nor bad..but just a symbol.

The swastika symbol is also used by Asians as a good luck symbol, safe
travel and by some folks as a symbol of the suns movement. It also can
mean either inwards or outwards (spirit to flesh) dependant on directions.

One really cannot just assume that a symbol means what they think it means
unless they understand who is using it and what they are using it for.


Symbolically yours...

Bren
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SteveZ176
2004-08-07 03:37:05 UTC
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On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 20:15:09 -0700, "Brenda G. Kent"
Post by Brenda G. Kent
The Star of David or six pointed star....is a symbol. Just as the
pentagram ( a sacred symbol to Wiccans) was once use in the Crusades and
called "Christ's foot" by the Christians....it has different groups laying
ownership to it...or symbols to it.
The Hexagram is two triangles interlocking. It means "as above..so
below"..the microcosm of the macrocosm....what happens in the
spirit...happens in the physical and so on. The Jews took the star as a
symbol for David. It is still...just a symbol that any will lay ownership
to. It is neither good nor bad..but just a symbol.
The swastika symbol is also used by Asians as a good luck symbol, safe
travel and by some folks as a symbol of the suns movement. It also can
mean either inwards or outwards (spirit to flesh) dependant on directions.
One really cannot just assume that a symbol means what they think it means
unless they understand who is using it and what they are using it for.
Symbolically yours...
Bren
Sorry to bust your falsehood:

The six pointed Star, is it the Star of David?


Dear reader, have you noticed the strong move to merge Christianity
into Judaism?

If you have not, we pray this issue of Despatch will make you aware. A
recent issue of a Christian newsletter, sent from an organization
which has been building bridges to the Jewish people for many years,
stated that the STAR OF DAVID was the most Christian symbol a believer
could wear!This is not so.

The SIX POINTED STAR is actually a New Age occult symbol.

QUESTIONS ??? We should ask about this Star are:



Is this star the Star of Solomon - not the star of David?
Is it an occult symbol, not a Christian Symbol?
Is it the sign of the New World Order under Lucifer?
Facts about the Six Pointed Star:
It has an amazing background, right back into ages past.
It is forbidden as a symbol, by the Word of God.
It may be the MARK OF THE BEAST
( I say MAY BE - we don't know. Remember that the Bible tells us in
Revelation 13:17 that there will be the mark, or the name of the
beast, or the number of his name).
.


HERE IS A SUMMARY OF information on the HEXAGRAM, or six-pointed star
and elements which bear relationship to our subject...
The star was mentioned and condemned by the God of Israel in Amos 5:26
and it was called by Him, `the star of your god, Moloch' or otherwise
called `Chiun'. Reference to Amos 5:26 and the Israelites having it in
the wilderness was also made in Acts 7:43. Here it was called the Star
of Remphan. All these names refer to the `god' Saturn.
The foregoing verifies that it was therefore in existence long before
the time of Solomon. He took this symbol upon himself when he went
into idolatry, and it became known as the `Seal of Solomon' in Arabic
magic and witchcraft.
There was no usage of it in Jewish circles until the 17th century when
the cabalist, Isaac Luria, introduced it in Germany.
Mayer Amschel Bauer then used it in Germany to identify his address,
consequently changing his family name to Rothschild, meaning `Red
Shield', and depicting the red hexagram hanging on his door. He later
incorporated it into his family coat of arms.
The six-pointed star or hexagram became the insignia of Zionism.
Hitler rose to power, using it as a badge of shame, forcing all Jews
to wear it during the Nazi regime.
It arrived at the Knesset of the newly formed State of Israel.
It became the logo of the Jewish `Red Cross' called the Magen David
Adom.
It became the centerpiece on the flag of Israel.
Surreptitiously, it has become the international symbol of the Jewish
people and saturates the world as the Jewish Star.

The Hexagram is 666.
The hexagram, or six pointed star, certainly has three sixes. It
contains a six, within a six, within a six: 666. (Count the sides of
each triangle facing the clockwise direction, the sides facing the
counter-clockwise direction, and the third six - the sides of the
inner hexagon).

And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and
they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image,
and whosoever receiveth THE MARK OF HIS NAME. (Revelation 14:11).

In the book ANCIENT PAGAN SYMBOLS,
the hexagram is called Solomon's Seal, not David's.
It says...

"The triangle, the geometrical emblem of three things, one above two,
the two lower uniting to produce the higher, or the union of the
positive and negative forces to produce the third, is the most complex
and mystical as it is the most UNCOMPROMISING of all symbols.
....Three has been called the very soul of magic, astrology and
divination." 1.

The book goes on to talk about the Hindu triad, the Buddhist triad and
others, but here we draw the line on the details.

Solomon's Seal was accepted as occult by the occult world. King
Solomon became involved in witchcraft and occultism. (Although Solomon
was greatly used of the Almighty God).

According to THE SORCERER'S HANDBOOK -

"King Solomon, traditionally known as an ARCH MAGICIAN [author's
italics], used a SPELL [author's italics] to banish infernal beings
sent by the king of demons to EXTRACT HUMAN HEARTS . . . [The names of
the demons are then given.]" 2.

"Solomon's Mirror. A mirror used for divination". It is described and
they go into what is done with the blood of A PIGEON.

In the book THE HISTORY AND PRACTICE OF MAGIC, Vol. 2, the six-pointed
star is called the talisman of Saturn. It is illustrated obverse and
reverse. The latter is the Seal of Solomon; the former is the five
pointed star, commonly called the pentagram. Details are given on how
to make these symbols and the materials to use. 2.
.


The Hexagram - 666 - Sign of Satan.
The insignia of the Globalists, Cabalism, the Rothschilds and Zionism
- The Hexagram.

SHOULD CHRISTIANS WEAR THE SIX POINTED STAR, THE HEXAGRAM?
SURELY NOT! TO DO SO IS AN ABOMINATION TO OUR GOD!

At the time of publication of the book, "The Six Pointed Star", by
O.J. GRAHAM, in the 1980's, these figures were given. 30% of the Jews
living in Israel were not religious at all, even atheists. Of the
remaining 70%, the majority were religious only formally, few were
deeply committed. O.J. Graham, himself of Jewish ancestry, now a
Christian journalist writes...

"The Jewish Almanac does not explain which Jews decided to make the
six-pointed star the symbol of Jewry, nor does it state when such a
vote took place.

Some Jews will have nothing to do with this symbol; others do not care
to check it out. The majority of people could not care less. Some are
shocked to learn it is pagan, but do not think that the matter is
important."

What then is the Real Symbol of the Hebrew People?


The number seven, not the number six is God's perfect number. The
symbol given to God's chosen race, as far back as Exodus is the
Menorah, or seven branched candle-stick.

Read all about this Menorah, which played such a vital role in the
Tabernacle and was placed in the Holy Place in Exodus 25. More verses
about the Menorah are, 1 Kings 7:49; 11 Chronicles 4:7. Also in the
New Testament, Matthew 5:15 ; Rev. 1, 2 & 19:16.

RECOMMENDED READING ON THE STAR:
The Six Pointed Star, by O.J. GRAHAM. Published by New Puritan
Library.


References:
1. Elizabeth Goldsmith, ANCIENT PAGAN SYMBOLS (New York: The
Knickerbocker Press, 1929, reprinted by A.M.S. Press Inc., New York),
p.150.
2. Baskin, p.544.
3. Paul Christian, THE HISTORY AND PRACTICE OF MAGIC (Secaucus, NJ:
University Books, published by arrangement with Lyle Stewart, 1979),
Vol.II, p.304.



New Age - Universal Brotherhood



...Six-pointed Star worship.


"...The light and love of God is within every human heart. It is
called by some `the inner light' and by others `the atman'. White
Eagle, our own teacher...,who directs us in this particular work of
prayer, calls it `the Christ light'

We focus our efforts to pray by visualising a powerful symbol: the
symbol of a six-pointed star, shining like the sun and radiating God's
healing light to all the world.

The six-pointed star is a symbol which actually works in a magical way
to help stimulate the light within every human heart.

It is a symbol for the new age, portraying men and women, , working in
partnership with God, as creator as, of the Golden Age which is surely
coming..."

New Age quote also from the same material...
"There are many ways open to man, but there is one unfailing, one
certain true way for man to establish God's kingdom on earth.
[Emphasis Despatch] This is by the light which is within himself.
Daily endeavour to realise your true self which is buried deep in your
innermost being. Remember always the quiet, pure true contact within
the sanctuary of your own being. Be true to your own spirit, and in
being true to yourself you will be true also to God and the universal
brotherhood. Practice this daily realisation of the great white light
within your own being and project it forth into the world of men. Then
my friends, the mists around the earth will gradually be dispelled. Do
not look to others of do the work for you. Every man is his own
saviour, and every man is the saviour of all mankind...White Eagle "
Terrell D Lewis
2004-08-07 04:29:14 UTC
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Post by SteveZ
Is this star the Star of Solomon - not the star of David?
Is it an occult symbol, not a Christian Symbol?
The cross is a pagan symbol.
Post by SteveZ
Is it the sign of the New World Order under Lucifer?
It has an amazing background, right back into ages past.
The cross has been found in ancient cave drawings


Doesn't the scriptures state that we will be judged by the same
standards we use to judge others?
Post by SteveZ
It is forbidden as a symbol, by the Word of God.
It may be the MARK OF THE BEAST
( I say MAY BE - we don't know. Remember that the Bible tells us in
Revelation 13:17 that there will be the mark, or the name of the
beast, or the number of his name).
Terrell
SteveZ176
2004-08-07 05:00:34 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 04:29:14 GMT, Terrell D Lewis
Post by Terrell D Lewis
Post by SteveZ
Is this star the Star of Solomon - not the star of David?
Is it an occult symbol, not a Christian Symbol?
The cross is a pagan symbol.
Post by SteveZ
Is it the sign of the New World Order under Lucifer?
It has an amazing background, right back into ages past.
The cross has been found in ancient cave drawings
Doesn't the scriptures state that we will be judged by the same
standards we use to judge others?
Post by SteveZ
It is forbidden as a symbol, by the Word of God.
It may be the MARK OF THE BEAST
( I say MAY BE - we don't know. Remember that the Bible tells us in
Revelation 13:17 that there will be the mark, or the name of the
beast, or the number of his name).
Terrell
Read my last post.

Steve
Terrell D Lewis
2004-08-07 05:53:11 UTC
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Post by SteveZ176
Read my last post.
I did and called for consistancy, if you are going to condemn the
Magen David for its pagan roots, then you need to condemn the cross
symbol adopted by CHristians for it too has pagan roots.

As to a merging of CHristianity and Judiasm, it needs to be remembered
that CHristianity began as a offshoot, indeed a reform movement of
Judiasm.

Also, if, as many CHristians believe, that Jesus fulfilled the Law,
thus "doing away with it" under that Law, Jesus deserved to be
executed, as was the penalty for anyone who taught against the Law --
so -- Jesus cannot have both "done away with" the Law and died without
sin.

Interestingly, in Revelation, Jesus said he was going to remove the
lampstands (menorrahs) from the apostate churches of Revelation, which
is why you don't see menorrahs in CHristian churches.

BUT ... and this use of pagan symbols was done in ignorance by both
modern Jews and CHristians, and it must be remembered that from the
time in the wilderness until the last faithful king of the precaptive
Judah, the Jews worshipped the bronze serpent in spite of the
commandment not to bow to graven images, and still YHWH blessed them
in spite of this. FUndamentalist CHristians and Orthodox Jews act
like you have a check list to "get to heaven" (so to speak), but God
has been more forgiving than that.

One of the things the Lord has impressed on me the last few years is
that scripture does not tell us there will be a pop quiz on doctrine
at the judgment seat, but rather our heart and motives will be
weighed.

There are many who have far less knowledge, and far simpler faith,
that fundamentalists believe aren't correct, who will see the Kingdom
of Heaven while many fundamentalists are left outside in wonderment.
To whom much is given, much is expected, which begs the corollary that
to whom little is given, little is expected.

You have been given much, but you spend it chasing conspiracies, when
what little time you have left would be far better used preaching the
simple gospel.




Terrell
SteveZ176
2004-08-07 13:01:59 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 05:53:11 GMT, Terrell D Lewis
Post by Terrell D Lewis
Post by SteveZ176
Read my last post.
I did and called for consistancy, if you are going to condemn the
Magen David for its pagan roots, then you need to condemn the cross
symbol adopted by CHristians for it too has pagan roots.
As to a merging of CHristianity and Judiasm, it needs to be remembered
that CHristianity began as a offshoot, indeed a reform movement of
Judiasm.
Also, if, as many CHristians believe, that Jesus fulfilled the Law,
thus "doing away with it" under that Law, Jesus deserved to be
executed, as was the penalty for anyone who taught against the Law --
so -- Jesus cannot have both "done away with" the Law and died without
sin.
Interestingly, in Revelation, Jesus said he was going to remove the
lampstands (menorrahs) from the apostate churches of Revelation, which
is why you don't see menorrahs in CHristian churches.
BUT ... and this use of pagan symbols was done in ignorance by both
modern Jews and CHristians, and it must be remembered that from the
time in the wilderness until the last faithful king of the precaptive
Judah, the Jews worshipped the bronze serpent in spite of the
commandment not to bow to graven images, and still YHWH blessed them
in spite of this. FUndamentalist CHristians and Orthodox Jews act
like you have a check list to "get to heaven" (so to speak), but God
has been more forgiving than that.
One of the things the Lord has impressed on me the last few years is
that scripture does not tell us there will be a pop quiz on doctrine
at the judgment seat, but rather our heart and motives will be
weighed.
There are many who have far less knowledge, and far simpler faith,
that fundamentalists believe aren't correct, who will see the Kingdom
of Heaven while many fundamentalists are left outside in wonderment.
To whom much is given, much is expected, which begs the corollary that
to whom little is given, little is expected.
You have been given much, but you spend it chasing conspiracies, when
what little time you have left would be far better used preaching the
simple gospel.
Terrell
You haven't changed brother, you seem to think that chasing
Conspriracies is a mistake, I see it as waking people up to the truth,
many have been saved and have gotten right with the Lord from my
postings, the group you gave me I closed and restarted under a similar
name and it has grown fast 850 members now, and they pass all the
Conspriracy fact articles to their lost loved ones, many have seen the
RCC as a Cult now and are coming out but we do need to make sure they
don't fall into more decptive Cults like the Hebrew Roots Cult which
many in that Cult start to deny the Apostle Paul's writings, I have
seen it time and time again.

I am doing what the Lord has called me to do.

Steve
Ed King
2004-08-07 14:08:33 UTC
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Post by SteveZ176
On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 05:53:11 GMT, Terrell D Lewis
<snip>
Post by SteveZ176
Post by Terrell D Lewis
Terrell
You haven't changed brother, you seem to think that chasing
Conspriracies is a mistake, I see it as waking people up to the truth,
But, of course, you have NO PROOF that any of these conspiracies are in
any way true. Yesterday you were quoting discredited William Cooper stuff
- stuff even HE had repudiated! How credible can anyone find you when you
do that?

And do you REALLY need to keep changing your address?

Isn't that AWFULLY immature?
Post by SteveZ176
many have been saved and have gotten right with the Lord from my
postings,
Can you name ONE? No?

Then go away!
Post by SteveZ176
the group you gave me I closed and restarted under a similar
name and it has grown fast 850 members now, and they pass all the
Conspriracy fact articles to their lost loved ones,
<ROFL> Don't hurt your arm patting yourself on the back!
Post by SteveZ176
many have seen the RCC as a Cult now and are coming out
<ROFL> PROOF!!!
Post by SteveZ176
but we do need to make sure they don't fall into more decptive
Cults like the Hebrew Roots Cult which many in that Cult start to
deny the Apostle Paul's writings, I have seen it time and time again.
Ah, the anti-Semitism rearing it's ugly head yet again.
Post by SteveZ176
I am doing what the Lord has called me to do.
How old are you Steve?

Ed King

http://www.masonicinfo.com -- Anti-Masonry: Points of View

Internet newsgroup posting. Copyright 2004. All rights reserved.
SteveZ176
2004-08-07 14:41:30 UTC
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Plonk
Post by Ed King
Post by SteveZ176
On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 05:53:11 GMT, Terrell D Lewis
<snip>
Post by SteveZ176
Post by Terrell D Lewis
Terrell
You haven't changed brother, you seem to think that chasing
Conspriracies is a mistake, I see it as waking people up to the truth,
But, of course, you have NO PROOF that any of these conspiracies are in
any way true. Yesterday you were quoting discredited William Cooper stuff
- stuff even HE had repudiated! How credible can anyone find you when you
do that?
And do you REALLY need to keep changing your address?
Isn't that AWFULLY immature?
Post by SteveZ176
many have been saved and have gotten right with the Lord from my
postings,
Can you name ONE? No?
Then go away!
Post by SteveZ176
the group you gave me I closed and restarted under a similar
name and it has grown fast 850 members now, and they pass all the
Conspriracy fact articles to their lost loved ones,
<ROFL> Don't hurt your arm patting yourself on the back!
Post by SteveZ176
many have seen the RCC as a Cult now and are coming out
<ROFL> PROOF!!!
Post by SteveZ176
but we do need to make sure they don't fall into more decptive
Cults like the Hebrew Roots Cult which many in that Cult start to
deny the Apostle Paul's writings, I have seen it time and time again.
Ah, the anti-Semitism rearing it's ugly head yet again.
Post by SteveZ176
I am doing what the Lord has called me to do.
How old are you Steve?
Ed King
http://www.masonicinfo.com -- Anti-Masonry: Points of View
Internet newsgroup posting. Copyright 2004. All rights reserved.
Ed King
2004-08-07 20:40:06 UTC
Permalink
Plonk
HEY! I've been plonked by the star troller! What an honor.

Guess Steve has no proof whatsoever that his internet rantings have
accomplished squat - and he clearly doesn't want to provide any explanation
for his bizarro cut and paste quotes.

Oh, well....

I'll just keep mentioning his absurdities from time to time as his immaturity
keeps his identities changing.

Must be tough, though: somebody converts to the 'Steve' concept of religion
but doesn't even know the name of the person who 'helped' them. Such a
loss....

as if....

Ed King

http://www.masonicinfo.com -- Anti-Masonry: Points of View

Internet newsgroup posting. Copyright 2004. All rights reserved.
Terrell D Lewis
2004-08-07 15:59:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by SteveZ176
You haven't changed brother, you seem to think that chasing
Conspriracies is a mistake, I see it as waking people up to the truth,
many have been saved and have gotten right with the Lord from my
postings, the group you gave me I closed and restarted under a similar
name and it has grown fast 850 members now, and they pass all the
Conspriracy fact articles to their lost loved ones, many have seen the
RCC as a Cult now and are coming out but we do need to make sure they
don't fall into more decptive Cults like the Hebrew Roots Cult which
many in that Cult start to deny the Apostle Paul's writings, I have
seen it time and time again.
I am doing what the Lord has called me to do.
Steve
As long as you're convinced in your own mind ... glad to hear about
the group, I've started many, but never hear about them.


Terrell
Brenda G. Kent
2004-08-07 05:55:38 UTC
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STeve said:

Sorry to bust your falsehood


Bren says: I don't agree with your take on the Star of David. The Star of
David has been around for thousands of years....a lot longer than the idea
of "New Age" used as a term came about.

That is like saying that the Celtic Cross is "new age"....or the equal
armed cross...or the question mark..or asterisk.

Bren
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on the back of an ass"


Old Japanese saying.

Come visit my webpage at http://www.victoria.tc.ca/~wt211


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Terrell D Lewis
2004-08-07 06:00:45 UTC
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On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 22:55:38 -0700, "Brenda G. Kent"
Post by SteveZ176
Sorry to bust your falsehood
Bren says: I don't agree with your take on the Star of David. The Star of
David has been around for thousands of years....a lot longer than the idea
of "New Age" used as a term came about.
That is like saying that the Celtic Cross is "new age"....or the equal
armed cross...or the question mark..or asterisk.
Bren
New Age is nothing more than old religions and philosophies repackaged
to appeal to affluent westerners who can afford to buy a lot of books
and attend seminars.


Terrell
Brenda G. Kent
2004-08-07 06:22:35 UTC
Permalink
TErrell said:

New Age is nothing more than old religions and philosophies repackaged
to appeal to affluent westerners who can afford to buy a lot of books
and attend seminars.


Terrell

Bren says: Could be!

:)

Bren
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"Knowledge without wisdom is like stacking books

on the back of an ass"


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SteveZ176
2004-08-07 13:03:01 UTC
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On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 22:55:38 -0700, "Brenda G. Kent"
Post by SteveZ176
Sorry to bust your falsehood
Bren says: I don't agree with your take on the Star of David. The Star of
David has been around for thousands of years....a lot longer than the idea
of "New Age" used as a term came about.
That is like saying that the Celtic Cross is "new age"....or the equal
armed cross...or the question mark..or asterisk.
Bren
The New Age is just named that to fool people, it is the same old age
Paganism that goes back to the Tower of Babel.

Steve
Brenda G. Kent
2004-08-07 17:07:42 UTC
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The New Age is just named that to fool people, it is the same old age
Paganism that goes back to the Tower of Babel.

Steve


Bren says: it is called that to "fool people" ? How would that "fool
people"? Paganism goes far beyond the Tower of Babel....back to the
ancient days when people just called it life. It was referred to as
"paganus" by the Romans because they saw the countryfolk worshipping in
the old ways and it was a bit of a snobbery thing....because they were not
up-to-date with the city folk ..worshipping how they worshipped. Strange
that things really have not changed much.


Blessings
Bren
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"Knowledge without wisdom is like stacking books

on the back of an ass"


Old Japanese saying.

Come visit my webpage at http://www.victoria.tc.ca/~wt211


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Terrell D Lewis
2004-08-07 04:25:06 UTC
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Post by SteveZ176
We believe that both Israel and Christians have been deceived by
occultists who would have them believe that the six-pointed star is a
Jewish symbol. Nothing could be further from the truth. It is not a
Jewish symbol, but an occult symbol. The six-pointed star is a
hexagram - a curse mark - no matter what name it may have: Star of
David, Solomon's Seal, Double Triangle, Shield of David, etc. When the
occult practitioner puts a curse on someone, he uses the hexagram!
Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they
might be saved. For I bear them record, that they have a zeal for God,
but not according to knowledge. (Rev. 10:1,2)
The use of the six-pointed star's use as an "occult" symbol dates
pretty much to the middle ages as does this branch of the occult which
was an abuse of the Jewish mystical system of Kabbalah.

The six pointed star (or Magen David) is actually much older and has
been found in ancient Hindu Temples where it was likely used as a
mandala (a pictoral device used for meditation).

The most probable origin of the Magen David is as a symbol for the
planet Saturn, know in that area as Moloch, who, the Jews kept
slipping into worship of throughout their history.

But, in the context of this article, CHristians are guilty of the same
thing that Jews are here being accused of, in the adoption of the
Mystic Tau, a symbol of Tammuz, by CHristians as the "cross."

If one pagan symbol is wrong for the goose, the other is wrong for the
gander (so to speak).


Terrell
SteveZ176
2004-08-07 04:59:41 UTC
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On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 04:25:06 GMT, Terrell D Lewis
Post by Terrell D Lewis
Post by SteveZ176
We believe that both Israel and Christians have been deceived by
occultists who would have them believe that the six-pointed star is a
Jewish symbol. Nothing could be further from the truth. It is not a
Jewish symbol, but an occult symbol. The six-pointed star is a
hexagram - a curse mark - no matter what name it may have: Star of
David, Solomon's Seal, Double Triangle, Shield of David, etc. When the
occult practitioner puts a curse on someone, he uses the hexagram!
Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they
might be saved. For I bear them record, that they have a zeal for God,
but not according to knowledge. (Rev. 10:1,2)
The use of the six-pointed star's use as an "occult" symbol dates
pretty much to the middle ages as does this branch of the occult which
was an abuse of the Jewish mystical system of Kabbalah.
The six pointed star (or Magen David) is actually much older and has
been found in ancient Hindu Temples where it was likely used as a
mandala (a pictoral device used for meditation).
The most probable origin of the Magen David is as a symbol for the
planet Saturn, know in that area as Moloch, who, the Jews kept
slipping into worship of throughout their history.
But, in the context of this article, CHristians are guilty of the same
thing that Jews are here being accused of, in the adoption of the
Mystic Tau, a symbol of Tammuz, by CHristians as the "cross."
If one pagan symbol is wrong for the goose, the other is wrong for the
gander (so to speak).
Terrell
Terrell,

You are correct about the Cross symbol, I did take down the cross
symbol from my website about a year ago because of God showing me the
truth in this, but Jesus was crucified on what would have looked like
a Cross, which is what many see as reason for using the cross symbol,
but knowing we are not to make graven images we should not wear
crosses on our necks of in our churches, the church I attend does not
have a cross in it. They are just full Gospel and Born again believers
of Jesus Christ.

Steve
http://www.genevabible.org/
Pastor Dave
2004-08-08 15:30:23 UTC
Permalink
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Sat, 07 Aug 2004 02:34:25 GMT, SteveZ176
Post by SteveZ176
A. RESEARCH PROCESS USED TO DISCOVER THE MARK OF THE BEAST
Based on five principles, our study will demonstrate that the
six-pointed star fulfills all requirements of the Mark of the Beast.
I'm sorry, this is too funny. :)
--
Pastor Dave Raymond

"Were they ashamed when they made an abomination?
They were not at all ashamed, nor did they know
to blush. So they shall fall among those who fall.
At the time I visit them, they shall be cast down,
says Jehovah." - Jeremiah 6:15

"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17

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"Few paleontologists have, I think ever supposed that
fossils, by themselves, provide grounds for the
conclusion that evolution has occurred. An examination
of the work of those paleontologists who have been
particularly concerned with the relationship between
paleontology and evolutionary theory, for example that
of G. G. Simpson and S. J. Gould, reveals a mindfulness
of the fact that the record of evolution, like any
other historical record, must be construed within a
complex of particular and general preconceptions not
the least of which is the hypothesis that evolution has
occurred. ...The fossil record doesn't even provide any
evidence in support of Darwinian theory except in the
weak sense that the fossil record is compatible with
it, just as it is compatible with other evolutionary
theories, and revolutionary theories and special
creationist theories and even historical theories."
(Kitts, David B., "Search for the Holy Transformation,"
review of Evolution of Living Organisms, by Pierre-P.
Grassé, Paleobiology, vol. 5, 1979, pp. 353-354)



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2004-08-08 16:25:00 UTC
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Post by Pastor Dave
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Sat, 07 Aug 2004 02:34:25 GMT, SteveZ176
Post by SteveZ176
A. RESEARCH PROCESS USED TO DISCOVER THE MARK OF THE BEAST
Based on five principles, our study will demonstrate that the
six-pointed star fulfills all requirements of the Mark of the Beast.
I'm sorry, this is too funny. :)
Steve is either a clone of Dolf, a perfect husband for Dore, or both. My
money is on the latter.
Bob<><

SteveZ176
2004-08-07 18:34:45 UTC
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http://www.fillthevoid.org/SpiritualWarfare/DavidBenoitreferencestovictory.html

References to Victory

. . . by David Benoit

"Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever
committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant abideth not in
the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore
shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." (John 8:34-36)

Should we be afraid of the devil? "Ye are of God, little children, and
have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that
is in the world" (1 John 4:4).
Why should I fight this battle? "Fight the good fight of faith, lay
hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast
professed a good profession before many witnesses " (1 Tim. 6:12).
Are demons active today? "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood,
but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the
darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places"
(Eph. 6:12).
Does a Christian fight the battle by himself? "Likewise also these
filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of
dignities. Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil
he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a
railing accusation, but said. The Lord rebuke thee " (Jude 8-9).


THE FLESH

Can a carnal-minded Christian be at peace? "For to be carnally minded
is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the
carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of
God, neither indeed can be" (Rom. 8:6-7).
Can we trust our heart? "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts,
murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies"
(Matt. 15:19).
"For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts,
adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness,
deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
All these evil things come from within, and defile the man" (Mark
7:21-23).
Where did sin come from? "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into
the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for
that all have sinned" (Rom. 5:12).
How can a person be free from sin's hold? "For if by one man's offence
death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace
and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus
Christ" (Rom. 5:17).
Should we give place to the devil? "Neither give place to the devil"
(Eph. 4:27).
What are the works of the flesh? "Now the works of the flesh are
manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness,
lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations,
wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness,
revellings, and suchlike: of the which I tell you before, as I have
also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not
inherit the kingdom of God" (Gal. 5:19-21).
What are the fruits of the Spirit? "But the fruit of the Spirit is
love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law" (Gal. 5:22-23).
What should we as Christians do to the flesh? "And they that are
Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we
live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit" (Gal. 5:24-25).
Should a Christian debate with endless questions? "But foolish and
unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes" (2
Tim. 2:23).
Does the devil have a trap set for you? "And that they may recover
themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him
at his will" (2 Tim. 2:26).
Can Satan hinder you? "Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye
should not obey the truth? " (Gal. 5:7).
Is there a war between the flesh and the spirit? "For the flesh
lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the
flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot
do the things that ye would" (Gal. 5:17).
How can one overcome the lust of the flesh? "This I say then, Walk in
the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh" (Gal.
5:16).
Are Christians dead to sin? "Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be
dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our
Lord" (Rom. 6:11).
What are the benefits of being crucified with Christ? "I am crucified
with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me:
and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the
Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me " (Gal. 2:20).
Can a man be free of sin? "Knowing this, that our old man is crucified
with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we
should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin" (Rom.
6:6-7).
What will the love of this world do to our love for God? "Love not the
world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the
world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the
world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride
of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world" (1 John 2:15-16).
Will the world love you? "If ye were of the world, the world would
love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen
you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you" (John 15:19).
How do Christians avoid the darkness of this world? "Then Jesus said
unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye
have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in
darkness knoweth not whither he goeth. While ye have light, believe in
the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake
Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them" (John 12:35-36).
What are the three steps to overcoming the world?
"And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny
himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me" (Luke 9:23).
What two things does Christ promise to do for the believer?
A. Keep them
B. Pray for them
"I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of
the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have
kept thy word. . . . I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but
for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine " (John 17:6,9).
Does Christ make provision for His own? "I have given them thy word;
and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even
as l am not of the world. I pray not that thou shouldest take them out
of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. They
are not of the world, even as I am not of the world" (John 17:14-16).
Should we look like the world to win the world? "And be not conformed
to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind,
that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will
of God" (Rom. 12:2).
How will the world try to trap you? "Beware lest any man spoil you
through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after
the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ" (Col. 2:8).
Should we test the spirits? "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but
try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets
are gone out into the world" (1 John 4:1).
What is our advantage over the world? "For whatsoever is born of God
overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the
world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he
that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? " (1 John 5:4-5).
What is our weapon? "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and
sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder
of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner
of the thoughts and intents of the heart" (Heb. 4:12).



SATAN'S BACKGROUND

"Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say
unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of
wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of
God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and
the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the
emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets
and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast
created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set
thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up
and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy
ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in
thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst
of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast
thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, 0
covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Thine heart was
lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by
reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay
thee before kings, that they may behold thee" (Ezek. 28:12-17).
Why did Lucifer fall? "How art thou fallen from heaven, 0 Lucifer, son
of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst
weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend
into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit
also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I
will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most
High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit"
(Isa. 14:12-15).
Can Satan cast himself out? "And he was casting out a devil, and it
was dumb. And it came to pass, when the devil was gone out, the dumb
spake; and the people wondered. But some of them said. He casteth out
devils through Beelzebub the chief of the devils. And others, tempting
him, sought of him a sign from heaven. But he, knowing their thoughts,
said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to
desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth. If Satan also
be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand? because ye
say that I cast out devils through Beelzebub " (Luke 11:14-18).
Has Satan been permitted into heaven since the fall? "Now there was a
day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD,
and Satan came also among them" (Job 1:6).
What is the devil's final outcome? "And there was war in heaven:
Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon
fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place
found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old
serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world:
he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and
strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for
the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before
our God day and night" (Rev. 12:7-10).
How will the saints overcome the devil during the Tribulation period?
"And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of
their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death" (Rev.
12:11).
Can Christians come against Satan in their own strength? "Yet Michael
the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the
body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but
said, The Lord rebuke thee" (Jude9).
Does Satan have limited access to the believer? "Hast not thou made an
hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on
every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance
is increased in the land. But put forth thine hand now, and touch all
that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. And the LORD said
unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon
himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the
presence of the LORD" (Job 1:10-12).
Does the devil have power to cause sickness? "How God anointed Jesus
of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing
good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was
with him" (Acts 10:38).
How did Jesus conquer death? "Forasmuch then as the children are
partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of
the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power
of death, that is, the devil" (Heb.2:14).
How does Satan attack young leadership in the church? "Not a novice,
lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the
devil. Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without;
lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil" (1 Tim. 3:6-7).
Can Satan control the very actions of people? "And supper being ended,
the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's
son, to betray him " (John 13:2).
Can Satan personally possess a person? "And after the sop Satan
entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, that thou doest, do
quickly" (John 13:27).
Will Christians suffer direct persecution from Satan? "Fear none of
those things which thou shalt suffer: behold the devil shall cast some
of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have
tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give
thee a crown of life " (Rev. 2:10).
Can Satan hinder the believer from doing the work of God? "Wherefore
we would have come unto you, even I Paul,:once and again; but Satan
hindered us " (1 Thess. 2:18).
Will Satan be bound? "And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having
the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he
laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and
Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the
bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he
should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be
fulfilled:and after that he must be loosed a little season" (Rev.
20:1-3).
What will the end ultimately be for the devil? "And the devil that
deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the
beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night
for ever and ever" (Rev. 20:10).
Is Christ capable of destroying the work of Satan? "He that committeth
sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For
this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the
works of the devil" (1 John 3:8).
How did Christ destroy sin in a believer's life? "And you, being dead
in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened
together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out
the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary
to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having
spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly,
triumphing over them in it" (Col. 2:13-15).
"Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he
also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he
might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And
deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject
to bondage " (Heb. 2:14-15).
Are Christians free? "To open their eyes, and to turn them from
darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may
receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are
sanctified by faith that is in me "(Acts 26:18).
Why does the devil try to blind the unbeliever? "In whom the god of
this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the
light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God,
should shine unto them" (2 Cor. 4:4).
Are Christians made alive? "And you hath he quickened, who were dead
in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to
the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the
air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts
of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and
were by nature the children of wrath, even as others " (Eph. 2:1-3).
Do Christians have power over darkness? "Who hath delivered us from
the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his
dear Son" (Col. 1:13).
Are Christians redeemed? "In whom we have redemption through his
blood, even the forgiveness of sins" (Col. 1:14).
Must a Christian resist the devil? "Submit yourselves therefore to
God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you"' (Jam. 4:7). '
Must a Christian be sober and vigilant? "Be sober, he vigilant;
because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about,
seeking whom he may devour" (1 Pet. 5:8).
Should a Christian be strong in the Lord? "Finally, my brethren, be
strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might "(Eph.6:10).
Is Christ going to crush the devil? "And the God of peace shall bruise
Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be
with you. Amen " (Rom. 16:20).
Should a Christian fear the devil? "For God hath not given us the
spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind" (2
Tim. 1:7).
Should we trust a Satanist? "Ye are of your father the devil, and the
lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning,
and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he
speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the
father of it" (John 8:44).
Is it important to forgive? "To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive
also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes
forgave I it in the person of Christ; Lest Satan should get an
advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices" (2 Cor.
2:10-11).
Is pride a dangerous foe of the Christian? "Not a novice, lest being
lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil" (1
Tim. 3:6).
Is anger a popular tool against unbelievers? "Be ye angry, and sin
not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: Neither give place to
the devil" (Eph. 4:26-27).
Can a Christian be oppressed by Satan and why? "And lest I should be
exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there
was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet
me, lest I should be exalted above measure. For this thing I besought
the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. And he said unto me, My
grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in
weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities,
that the power of Christ may rest upon me. Therefore I take pleasure
in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in
distresses for Christ's sake: for when l am weak, then am I strong" (2
Cor. 12:7-10).
Can possession occur in children? "And he asked his father, How long
is it ago since this came unto him? And he said, Of a child" (Mark
9:21).
Is the Christian in battle? "For though we walk in the flesh, we do
not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are not
carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds)" (2
Cor. 10:3-4).
Can Christians have the power to take prisoners? "Casting down
imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the
knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the
obedience of Christ" (2 Cor. 10:5).
What happens if you do not specifically cast demons into the pit?
"When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry
places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto
my house whence I came out" (Luke 11:24).
What happens when a person who was possessed decides to turn over a
new leaf without asking Christ to be their Savior? "And when he
cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished. Then goeth he, and taketh
to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter
in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the
first" (Luke 11:25-26).
Will Christ protect the believer? ". . . but he that is begotten of
God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not "(I John
5:18).
Does Satan have power to work miracles? "For there shall arise false
Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders;
insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Behold, I have told you before" (Matt. 24:24-25).
What is the Christian's reward for battle scars? "Blessed is the man
that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the
crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him "
(Jam. 1:12).
Are we to consult Christ and not the occult? "Thus saith the LORD, the
Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning
my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me. I have
made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have
stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. I have
raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he
shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price
nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts" (Isa. 45:11-13).NOTE: Should a
person pay per-visit for information that is supposed to come directly
from God? "Not for price nor reward" (vs. 13).
Can a person be of the devil yet be very like a Christian? "Having a
form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away"
(2 Tim. 3:5).
Who is of the spirit of the Antichrist? "And every spirit that
confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God:
and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it
should come; and even now already is it in the world" (1 John 4:3).
NOTE: Jesus was God who became man, not man who became God.
Does Satan have the power on earth to make one rich and famous if they
worship him? "Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high
mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory
of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if
thou -wilt fall down and worship me " (Matt. 4:8-9). NOTE: "For what
is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own
soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?" (Matt.
16:26).
Can the devil use the name of Jesus to deceive people? Yes. "For if he
that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if
ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another
gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him " (2
Cor. 11:4). NOTE: Mormons have another Jesus; the occultist have
another Jesus-but not the Jesus as taught in the Word.
Can a demon acknowledge Jesus as the Son of God? "And cried with a
loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of
the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not"
(Mark 5:7).
"And there was in their synagogue a man with an unclean spirit; and he
cried out, Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou
Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou
art, the Holy One of God" (Mark 1:23-24). NOTE: They even acknowledged
Him as the Son of God, therefore they know who He is. However, there
is a big difference in knowing someone and submitting to that person.
Will Jesus come back again as a man? No. "And Jesus answering them
began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you: For many shall come
in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many" (Mark
13:5-6).
Are the devil's workers outwardly vicious? No. "Beware of false
prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are
ravening wolves " (Matt. 7:15).
How can you discern a false prophet? "Ye shall know them by their
fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so
every good tree bringeth forth good fruit;
but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring
forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast
into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them " (Matt.
7:16-20). NOTE: Make sure you inspect all the fruit, not just a few
that look good. Satan's fruits are not always easily detected.
Can a worker of Satan prophesy in Jesus' name? "Many will say to me in
that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? ..." (Matt.
7:22).
Can they cast out devils? ". . . and in thy name have cast out devils?
..." (Matt 7:22). NOTE: Jesus said a devil cannot cast out a devil and
this is not a contradiction. A demon cannot cast another demon into
the pit; however, a demon will leave at the request of another demon.
The purpose is this: when a demon is cast out by another
demon-possessed person, the victim is then in bondage to the one who
cast it out. When a Christian casts out a demon, the victim is totally
in bondage to Jesus Christ, not the Christian involved in the
exorcism.
Can a follower of Satan work miracles in Jesus' name? ". . . and in
thy name done many wonderful works? " (Matt. 7:22). NOTE: Remember
that the works are done for only one purpose, and that is to deceive.
Because a person's dreams come true, does that mean a Christian should
follow them? "If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of
dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, And the sign or the wonder
come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after
other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Thou
shall not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of
dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the
LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Ye shall
walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments,
and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him"
(Deut. 13:1-4).NOTE: Edgar Cayce was known as the "sleeping prophet."
What was the penalty for this crime against God? "And that prophet, or
that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken
to turn you away from the LORD your God. . . But thou shalt surely
kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and
afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with
stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from
the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from
the house of bondage" (Deut. 13:5, 9-10).
What is the purpose of these dreams and visions? "... Because he hath
spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God... to thrust thee out
of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt
thou put the evil away from the midst of thee" (Deut. 13:5).
Should a person remain loyal to family members who encourage you to
serve other gods? "If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son,
or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as
thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve
other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers. . . .
Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall
thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou
conceal him" (Deut. 13:6,8).
Should a Christian read the horoscopes? "Thou art wearied in the
multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the star gazers,
the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things
that shall come upon thee. Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire
shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of
the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit
before it" (Isa. 47:13-14).
Can we rely on the answers given by a devil worshipper? "Ye are of
your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was
a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because
there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his
own: for he is a liar, and the father of it" (John 8:44). NOTE:
Christians believe telling the truth pleases God. A Satanist believes
that by lying they obey their god.
Are Satanists supposed to perform murder? See John 8:44. They must
obey their father, who was a murderer "from the beginning."
With the rise of suicides, could some be blamed on demon possession?
"And ofttimes it hath cast him into the fire, and into the waters, to
destroy him: but if thou canst do any thing, have compassion on us,
and help us " (Mark 9:22). NOTE: The purpose for being thrown into the
water and fire was to kill him. This boy was not suicidal by his own
will, not suffering from severe depression. (In Mark 5:13 swine were
destroyed.)
How does a Christian deal with this particular demon? "And he said
unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and
fasting" (Mark 9:29).
Is a person demon-possessed if he enjoys inflicting pain on others or
himself? "And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in
the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones" (Mark 5:5). NOTE:
There are those who enjoy cutting themselves, burning their skin with
cigarettes, attending slam dances, etc. A doctor does not make a
diagnosis by only one symptom; they run a series of tests. So not
everyone that hurts himself is demon possessed.
People sell their souls to the devil in return for pleasure, but are
all demon-possessed people happy? "And always, night and day, he was
in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with
stones" (Mark 5:5). NOTE: This man probably would be diagnosed today
as suffering from severe anxiety. As you see the worship of demons
more and more in America, you also find a greater number of young
people in mental wards. (Again, not every case is one of
demon-possession.)



NEW AGE


What does the Scripture say about astrology? "Thou art wearied in the
multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the star gazers,
the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things
that shall come upon thee. Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire
shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of
the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit
before it" (Isa. 47:13-14).
Concerning reincarnation, the New Age teaches that man will become as
gods. Is this true? "For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof,
then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good
and evil" (Gen. 3:5).
Should a person consult channellers? (Channelling is a New Age term
for possession. People like Shirley MacLaine and Linda Evans advocate
going to channellers who speak by "spirit guides.") "Then said Saul
unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I
may go to her, and enquire of her. And his servants said to him,
Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor. And
Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two
men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray
thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom
I shall name unto thee " (1 Sam. 28:7-8). NOTE: When Saul was right
with God, he was against such things.
Can a channeller say good things of Christians? Can they tell the
future? "And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel
possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her
masters much gain by soothsaying" (Acts 16:16). NOTE: Paul spoke to
the spirit, not the woman. "And this did she many days. But Paul,
being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the
name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same
hour" (vs. 18).
Should your children watch cartoons with wizards? "Regard not them
that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled
by them: I am the LORD your God" (Lev. 19:31).
Does God tolerate or endorse a witch when he claims to be a Christian?
"A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard,
shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their
blood shall be upon them " (Lev. 20:27). NOTE: God is "the same
yesterday, today, and forever."
What about tarot cards, Ouija boards, crystal balls, and other
occultic tools? "If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of
dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, And the sign or the wonder
come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after
other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Thou
shall not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of
dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the
LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul "(Deut.
13:1-3).NOTE: People who use the devil's tools will never lead you to
a saving knowledge of God.
Should Christians run to places where people claimed Jesus or Mary
have appeared? "Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is
Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs,
and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch
that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold,
I have told you before" (Matt 24:23-25).
How will Christ appear when He comes again? "For as the lightning
cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also
the coming of the Son of man be " (Matt. 24:27). NOTE: He will not
appear on screens and walls; He will come in glory.
What is the danger in following the New Age teaching that man will
become as a god? "Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and
worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is
blessed for ever. Amen " (Rom. 1:25). NOTE: Romans 1:26-31 tells of
people who made themselves to be as God.
Should a person try to contact those who are dead? "And when they
shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and
unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto
their God? for the living to the dead?" (Isa. 8:19). NOTE: Our God is
a living God; therefore, those who seek the dead must go to the god of
death rather than the God of the Living.
"There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his
daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an
observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a
consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For
all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because
of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before
thee " (Deut. 18:10-12).
NOTE PROBLEM: "And he made his son pass through the fire, and observed
times, and used enchantments, and dealt with familiar spirits and
wizards: he wrought much wickedness in the sight of the LORD, to
provoke him to anger" (2 Kings 21:6).
NOTE PENALTY: "Because Manasseh king of Judah hath done these
abominations, and hath done wickedly above all that the Amorites did,
which were before him, and halh made Judah also to sin with his idols:
Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Behold, lam bringing such
evil upon Jerusalem and Judah, that whosoever heareth of it, both his
ears shall tingle " (2 Kings 21:11-12).
Can Satan's disciples perform miracles? "Then Pharaoh also called the
wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did
in like manner with their enchantments. For they cast down every man
his rod, and they became serpents: but Aaron 's rod swallowed up their
rods" (Exod. 7:11-12). NOTE: Miracles are not always a sign from the
Lord.
What is the purpose of a sorcerer? To turn a man's heart from God?
"And when they had gone through the isle unto Paphos, they found a
certain sorcerer, a false prophet, a Jew, whose name was Barjesus:
Which was with the deputy of the country, Sergius Paulus, a prudent
man; who called for Barnabas and Saul, and desired to hear the word of
God. But Elymas the sorcerer (for so is his name by interpretation)
withstood them, seeking to turn away the deputy from the faith. Then
Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his
eyes on him, And said, Ofull of all subtilty and all mischief, thou
child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not
cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?" (Acts 13:6-10).
Should a person who claims to be a Christian follow mediums and
wizards? "Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek
after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God. . . .
And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and
after wizards, to go a
whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and
will cut him off from among his people" (Lev. 19:31;20:6).
Will people in the latter days turn to the Lord for guidance? 'Now the
Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart
from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of
devils" (1 Tim. 4:1).
Can Christians have victory over these spirits? "Now thanks be unto
God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest
the savour of his knowledge by I us in every place " (2 Cor. 2:14).
Should we as Christians be ignorant of Satan's devices? "Lest Satan
should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices
" (2 Cor. 2:11).
How do Christians overcome the devil? "And they overcame him by the
blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved
not their lives unto the death " (Rev. 12:11).
What does the Bible say about the dragon? "And the great dragon was
cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which
deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his
angels were cast out with him " (Rev. 12:9).
What was Satan like before the fall? "Son of man, take up a
lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the
Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in
beauty" (Ezek. 28:12).
Can we rebuke the devil in our own strength? "Yet Michael the
archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body
of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said,
The Lord rebuke thee " (Jude 9).
What about guardian angels (angels that minister to saints)? "Are they
not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall
be heirs of salvation? " (Heb. 1:14).
Can the devil reward his followers? "And the devil, taking him up into
an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a
moment of time. And the devil said unto him, All this power will I
give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and
to whomsoever 1 will I give it" (Luke 4:5-6). NOTE: "For what is a man
profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or
what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? " (Matt. 16:26).
Do those who follow astrology disobey the commands of the Lord? "And
they left all the commandments of the LORD their God, and made them
molten images, even two calves, and made a grove, and worshipped all
the host of heaven, and served Baal. And they caused their sons and
their daughters to pass through the fire, and used divination and
enchantments, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD,
to provoke him to anger" (2 Kings 17:16-17). NOTE: It started with
astrology and ended with human sacrifice.
What should be done with former objects of astrology and witchcraft?
"And the king commanded Hilkiah the high priest, and the priests of
the second order, and the keepers of the door, to bring forth out of
the temple of the LORD all the vessels that were made for Baal, and
for the grove, and for all the host of heaven: and he burned them
without Jerusalem in the fields of Kidron, and carried the ashes of
them unto Bethel" (2 Kings 23:4).
Did God tolerate astrology in Old Testament times? "If there be found
among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee,
man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD
thy God, in transgressing his covenant, And hath gone and served other
gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host
of heaven, which I have not commanded; And it be told thee, and thou
hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true,
and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel:
Then shall thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have
committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that
woman, and shall stone them with stones, till they die" (Deut.
17:2-5).
Should Christians have graven images in their homes (i.e., zodiac
signs, favorite rock albums, etc.)? "Thou shalt not make thee any
graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or
that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the
earth" (Deut. 5:8).
Is it God's will for us to know all about the future? "And he said
unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which
the Father hath put in his own power. But ye shall receive power,
after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses
unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto
the uttermost part of the earth" (Acts 1:7-8).
Should a Christian practice and teach reading tea leaves, palm
reading, tarot cards, witching for water, etc.? "When thou art come
into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn
to do after the abominations of those nations. There shall not be
found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass
through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times,
or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with
familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these
things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these
abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee"
(Deut. 18:9-12).
What about reincarnation? "And as it is appointed unto men once to
die, but after this the judgment" (Heb. 9:27).

* This article was used by permission from David Benoit's book,
"Fourteen Things Witches Hope Parents Never Find Out" Chapter 6. For
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Witches and Satanists Use the Media to Recruit
. . .by David Benoit





"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools." (Rom. 1:22)


Witches and Satanists use the media to recruit. This is an entry in
the The U.S. Chaplain 's Manual from the Church of Satan on ethics,
recruiting, and relationships. They were questioned concerning how the
Church of Satan recruits new members. They responded with the
following:

"The church does not proselytize but welcomes inquiries from honest
potential Satanists who hear about the church from the various books
about it, the mass media, or word-of-mouth. "1

This is also from the U.S. Chaplain ' s Manual. This entry is from the
American Council of Witches, and they were asked the same question. It
was answered thusly:

"Witches do not proselytize, but welcome inquiries from those who hear
about the craft by either word-of-mouth or the media."2

For two totally different organizations and two totally different
entries, they surely have some definite similarities. If two totally
separate and different people wrote these two documents, without one
another's knowledge, they must have been led by the same spirit. So,
in essence, they say they do not proselytize, but they both have one
thing in common. They both have their religion propagated by the
media.



THREE WAYS THAT THE MEDIA HELPS WITCHCRAFT


By giving a distorted view of witchcraft. They make a witch look like
a wicked, ugly old hag, so that when an attractive woman claims
witchcraft as her religion, people become more curious and let their
guard down.

They introduce good witches to combat the bad, ugly witches. This
gives an image that some witches can be trusted as allies for good.
You notice that good magic always wins over bad magic. This leads a
person to believe that it is okay to practice witchcraft, if it is for
good. If I were to ask you, "Are all witches bad?"-what would you say?

You may think back to Bewitched and Samantha -she wasn't a bad witch,
was she? Then you might think of Sabrina, the teenage witch from the
Archie comic books. But probably one of the strongest images may have
come from The Wizard of Oz. Anyone who saw the beautiful witch of the
north would not have one thing bad to say about her.

Just to prove my point, let's talk about The Wizard of Oz. Is this
family classic just a family classic, or could it be classic
witchcraft?

First, you notice that all the witches in the movie are actually
directional. For example, the house landed on the wicked witch of the
east. Dorothy was hounded by the wicked witch of the west. Then she
was helped by the good witch of the north. Logic would have us believe
that if the wicked witches were from the east and west, then the good
witches would be from the north and south. Yet, you are never
introduced to the "good witch" from the south. Not once in the movie
does the "good witch" from the south appear. Why?

The answer may lie near the end of the movie. Do you remember how the
good witch of the north helped Dorothy get home? Dorothy was
discouraged because she found that the Wizard of Oz was really a fake,
and all hope of her returning home was gone. Then the witch of the
north told Dorothy that she had the power latent inside her to go home
all the time. According to satanic teaching, it says, "Say unto thine
own heart, ' l am mine own redeemer. ' '' Would we dare think that
sweet, little Dorothy may have learned that everyone has a latent
power to perform good magic? Could she have subtly been the fourth
witch? The "good witch" of the south? Do you remember the first
question that was asked of Dorothy by the good witch of the north?
"Are you a good witch, or are you a bad witch?" Dorothy said, "I'm not
a witch at all. Witches are ugly." The Munchkins laughed, and Glynda,
the good witch of the north, said, "Oh, no, only evil witches are
ugly. I am a good witch." See, she was beautiful. Do you know what
that image evokes? It gives a false security that if a witch is
attractive, he or she can be trusted as good and not evil. Could she,
Dorothy, have subtly been the fourth witch? You know where her house
came from-the south. Keep in mind that good witches are from the south
and were beautiful. I would say that Judy Garland, or Dorothy, was
very attractive. Was she possibly the witch of the south ?

Witches do believe in directional spirits which we will talk about a
little later in the section on The Magic Circle.

Remember in the beginning of the movie, Dorothy runs away from home to
save Toto, and finds herself seeking spiritual guidance from a
professor and a crystal ball. He looked into the crystal point. A very
important point is that Dorothy sought occult guidance before she ever
went on her journey to Oz. Now we know the professor was a fake at
that point, but he said that this crystal ball came from Isis and was
used by the Egyptians. Again, Isis was a goddess worshipped in Egypt.
How convenient it was that Dorothy would just so happen to stumble
upon a person who claimed to have the spirit of divination.

Dorothy finds herself seeking occult guidance throughout the whole
movie. Who could ever think one bad thought about the sweet, innocent
girl who would sing, "Somewhere Over the Rainbow," before the rainbow
was used as a symbol for the New Age movement? By the way, for some of
you who do not know what the rainbow means in the New Age movement, it
means basically the arch or bridge that leads from the natural to the
supernatural. Without a doubt, Dorothy crossed the bridge in The
Wizard of Oz. The sad thing about it is that Judy Garland, who played
Dorothy, died of suicide. Miss Garland may have found the rainbow, but
she never found the light of the world.

Let me prove my point of how the media promotes witchcraft. Right now
some of you are angry that I would bring up The Wizard of Oz while
talking about real witchcraft. Some of you are thinking that I am,
excuse the expression, "witch hunting." Right now, some of you would
like to debate me on all the good wholesomeness of this movie. All I
can say is that witches are right-the media can be their best source
of recruitment. The media has craftily changed your biblical
perspective of witchcraft. Not one time is witchcraft mentioned in a
good context in the Bible. Philosophically you might say that witches
are not all bad. But biblically they are always bad. As a matter of
fact, in Exodus 22:18, the Bible says that "Thou shalt not suffer a
witch to live."




SYMBOLISM BEHIND THE WIZARD OF OZ


1. They followed the yellow brick road. Yellow is often used as a
color to refer to gold. There is only one place I have ever heard
about golden streets- that is Heaven. (Remember, her house did spiral
northward.)

2. This golden road led Dorothy and her friends to the Emerald City,
where the all-powerful and all-knowing wizard lived. Omnipotence and
omniscience are two attributes that belong only to God. They found
that the all-powerful and all-knowing wizard was a fake. He was just a
man that people had elevated to become a supreme being. In a world
filled with agnostics who are confused about the existence of God,
could this be a reference to God? See, God is all-knowing,
all-powerful, and yet many would have us to believe God does not
exist; that He is just an elevated person that we created to be a
supreme being.

3. The final thing to consider is the pure dose of humanism as the end
result. After finding out that the wizard was a man, they found out
that they had all the power inside themselves. The Tin Man really did
have a heart; the Cowardly Lion really was not a coward; the Scarecrow
had the ability to think the whole time; and Dorothy had the ability
within herself to go home any time.

Humanism teaches that there is no God, and that we all have the power
within ourselves to succeed. There may be those who say I am making
too much out of The Wizard of Oz. Witches are just make-believe.
Before you make that statement, maybe you might want to read about how
witches are gearing up to change your mind:


"But in Wiccan circles, Cabot is considered a high priestess of the
religion and a leader. In 1986, she and other witches formed the
Witches League for Public Awareness, a non-profit, tax-deductible
organization dedicated to correcting misinformation about their
religion. They publish a newsletter and pamphlets, like law memorandum
that outlines the 1985 U. S. District Court decision that ruled
witchcraft is a legitimate religion. The most recent newsletter
discusses an Air Force ruling that approved religious holidays for
witches and a U.S. District Court case in which a federal judge ruled
against the Salvation Army because it fired a woman who practiced
witchcraft." (3)

To illustrate how witchcraft is viewed from God's perspective, not
media perspective, we must look at Nineveh. You remember Nineveh. It
was the city Jonah went to. It was the city that God cared so much
about that he sent Jonah, special third-day delivery, via whale. This
city was so big, it took three days to walk around it. The walls were
one hundred feet high and broad enough to drive a chariot on. It had
more than twelve hundred towers that people could adorn. Yet, it was a
wicked city. Jonah 3:4 says, "And Jonah began to enter into the city a
day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh
shall be overthrown. " These words convicted the whole city and they
all repented.


Then one hundred and fifty years after one of the greatest revivals in
history. God sent another prophet whose name was Nahum, to Nineveh.
Even though Nahum means "the comforter," his message was anything but
comforting. It was a message of doom. Yet the people would not repent.
Why? The answer is found in Nahum 3:4: "Because of the multitude of
the whoredoms of the well-favoured harlot, the mistress of
witchcrafts, that selleth nations through her whoredoms, and families
through her witchcrafts." This verse tells us that witchcraft destroys
nations as well as homes.



THREE DANGEROUS SIMILARITIES BETWEEN
NINEVEH THEN AND OUR WORLD NOW


Witchcraft became not only accepted, but well-favored. My nephew, some
time ago, was cutting out some pictures in his class. The teacher then
handed out some pictures of witches and told the students to cut out
these witches. My nephew looked at his teacher and said, "I can't cut
out pictures of witches; I don't believe in witches." The teacher told
him he didn't understand-these were good witches. Talk about lacking
in discernment.

There are many Christian people who would be ready to defend The
Wizard of Oz. If it were just an entertaining movie and not an
indoctrinating movie, why are Christians so mad when I suggest it to
be bad? It all depends on what you use as your plumb line. If you use
the Bible, you will probably have no trouble with making the right
decision. But if you use philosophical ideas, you will be headed in
the wrong direction.

The Bible says it sells nations-that means it is marketable. Today,
everything on the market has something to do with witchcraft.
Witchcraft today is a very marketable commodity. In fact, it is so bad
that I have a lot of parents say to me, "Everything I've got for my
children is bad, bad, bad. What can my children play with?" Understand
that before the Antichrist sets up his kingdom, he's going to have to
set up an Antichrist society. Everything you hear today is dealing
with magic-it's like magic, it works like magic, magic this, magic
that. Witchcraft is very marketable.

Finally, the Bible says that Nineveh's families were sold into
witchcraft. Did you know that witchcraft is family oriented? That's
right, witchcraft today is rated "G." Top family movies, like Witch
Mountain, Escape to Witch Mountain, and Return to Witch Mountain, by
Disney are all family oriented.

The Care Bear Movie had a witch in it, as did The Little Mermaid.
(Again, don't say they were bad witches unless you believe there are
such things as good witches.) These are just a few of the hundreds of
"G" rated movies that do not have vulgarity and nudity, but are loaded
with witchcraft. Did you know that the Billy Graham film , The
Prodigal, was rated PG by the Motion Picture Industry of America? Do
you know why? Because the Motion Picture Industry said that children
should not be exposed to Christianity without the consent of their
parents. Yet, witchcraft today is all rated "G," but is it family
oriented? Please understand, Satan has a family-oriented program. He
wants desperately to reach your family. Those involved in witchcraft
are also referred to those who study the craft. Strangely enough,
craft is the root word for "crafty." And one would have to admit that
they live up to their name.

The third way the media encourages witchcraft and Satanism is they
give a distorted view of Christianity. Let's look again at some quotes
from the U.S. Chaplain 's Manual. What is witchcraft's role in
relationship with other religions? According to the American Council
of Witches,


". . . cooperation with other religions are cordial, except those
groups which have sought to persecute and defame the Craft. "4


Can anyone guess what religion they are talking about ? The answer is
Christianity. To my knowledge, Christianity is the only religion that
has ever come out against witchcraft. This is a quotation from the
U.S. Chaplain's Manual, submitted by the Church of Satan. Their
relationship with other religions is as follows:



"The Church of Satan stands as a gathering point for all those who
believe in what the Christian Church opposes. "5


In essence, witchcraft and Satanism stand with open arms, and gathers
all those who oppose Christianity. Here's a test to see if our society
holds to the Christian belief or the satanic or witchcraft belief, via
the media:
Does the Bible teach homosexuality is wrong? Yes.
Does the Church of Satan teach homosexuality is wrong? No
Does the Church of Wicca teach homosexuality is wrong? No.
Does the Bible teach that adultery and fornication are wrong? Yes.
Does the Church of Satan teach that adultery and fornication are
wrong? No.
Does the Church of Wicca teach that adultery and fornication are
wrong? No.
Does the Bible teach that we have only one true God, Jehovah? Yes.
Does the Church of Satan teach there is one true God, Jehovah? No,
they make themselves god.
Does the Church of Wicca believe in the one true God, Jehovah? No,
they have many gods. Does the media believe in the one true God,
Jehovah? No, they adhere to the god of humanism.
Does the Bible teach that occult powers are bad? Yes.
Does the Church of Satan teach that occult powers are bad? No.
Does the Church of Wicca teach that occult powers are bad? No.

So you see, practicing Satanism and witchcraft is not putting on a
black robe, praying to the devil, or burning candles at midnight. It
is a value system that is totally contrary to Christianity. You must
understand that everything that we believe as Christians is opposed by
Satan.

How does the media encourage anti-Christian views? When was the last
time you saw a movie that made a Christian look sensible? The movie
Footloose made the villain of the town a preacher who was against
teenagers dancing.
The movie Cape Fear (1991) made the psychopathic killer a born-again
Christian. In one scene of the movie, the villain tells a young lady
he doesn't hate her father; he prays for her father. Then he proceeds
to molest her.

The NBC made-for-TV movie which aired on Monday, September 7, 1992,
was titled In the Best Interest of the Children. It portrayed the
mother of the children as being men tally ill. When they were coming
to get her to put her in a mental institution, she huddled up with her
children asking Jesus to help her. They all cried and again she looked
at the children and told them to get down on their knees and pray to
Jesus. Then she looked at her little daughter and called her a Judas
and told her that she had betrayed her! The daughter told the mother
that she had not betrayed her. She had not said anything at all.

Again we see the Christian portrayed in a negative fashion. She was
mentally ill. You know that is not the first time Christians have been
called mentally ill. That is the image that the media is putting out
toward Christianity today.

Again we see the Christian portrayed in a negative fashion in the
movie about Jim Jones and the Guyana tragedy. This movie portrayed Jim
Jones as a fundamentalist preacher gone crazy. Jim Jones was never a
fundamentalist preach He was a socialist New Ager. But you have to
understand this was a perfect opportunity to put Christianity in a
negative context.

How about David Koresh? Hollywood could not even wait until the end of
the stand-off before they went into production on the
made-for-television movie. From the very beginning, this group was
referred to as the Davidian cult. The key word here is "cult." There
is an extreme hatred in our country for cults. People in America are
more tolerant of drug dealers than they are of cults. I must admit, I,
too, have a low tolerance level for extremist cults. The thing is,
where does the government or the media get off calling a religious
group a cult? A cult is a religion that does not hold to the basic
doctrines of the Christian faith. Neither the government nor the media
adhere to the Christian faith. So why do they have the right to call
any religion a cult?

Will the government and the media one day declare their religion of
humanism to be the true religion? Will they one day declare that any
other religion is a cult? Will this give them the right to kill
people? Will people of the future accept this kind of barbarianism?
The answer is YES!

Revelation 13:4-7 says, "And they worshipped the dragon which gave
power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is
like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? And there was
given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and
power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he
opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and
his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto
him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was
given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations."

If we say the Bible teaches us to kill witches, we would be cruel,
non-tolerating bigots. Yet, during the Tribulation it will be totally
accepted to kill saints. It is amazing how many Americans believe the
government was right to kill some innocent women and children because
the media called them cultists.

These are just a few blatant misrepresentations of Christianity. When
was the last time you heard a news report putting the Christian Church
in a good light? Not lately. Yet who has not heard about Jim Bakker
and Jimmy Swaggert? Since those scandals have been exposed, people
look at Christians a little bit differently. When I tell people that I
am an evangelist, the first thought is not that I am a Christian
serving God, but that I am a charlatan and a dishonest person. This
was not the view ten years ago. Ten years ago, if you told someone you
were an evangelist, they would call you "Reverend." Now they grab
their wives, hide their children, and hold their back pocket!

How has this affected Christianity? It has made people hostile toward
Christianity. Women who have prayed for years for their husbands to go
to church, now find themselves hearing the words, "I told you all
those people at church were hypocrites." And their husbands are going
to die and go to hell, because the media has given a misrepresentation
of Christianity. Yes, there is a Jim Bakker, and yes, there is a Jimmy
Swaggert, but if the media would spend as much time showing all of the
Christians who have served God and all that we have done over the last
thousands of years for communities, the Jimmy Swaggerts and Jim
Bakkers would just be a drop in the bucket!

You used to be able to talk to people about the Lord and even if they
did not agree with it, they would still hear you out. Today, the
tolerance level toward Christianity is near zero. You might say the
worse Christianity looks, the better witchcraft and Satanism look. So
the next time you see Christians being laughed at and made fun of,
understand that it is a planned deception to turn the hearts away from
God, which automatically turns their hearts toward Satan.

* This article was used by permission from David Benoit's book,
"Fourteen Things Witches Hope Parents Never Find Out" Chapter 6. For
information on how to obtain this excellent book see:

Glory Ministries http://www.gloryministries.com
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Brenda G. Kent
2004-08-07 19:10:36 UTC
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Recruit?

What witches?

Wiccans are not allowed to proselytize or recruit. So please don't slap
this on all witches.

As far as Satanists go...not being in that faith..I have no idea.

Blessings
Bren
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SteveZ176
2004-08-07 19:28:03 UTC
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On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:10:36 -0700, "Brenda G. Kent"
Post by Brenda G. Kent
Recruit?
What witches?
Wiccans are not allowed to proselytize or recruit. So please don't slap
this on all witches.
As far as Satanists go...not being in that faith..I have no idea.
Blessings
Bren
Wicca is all the same, Witches are Wiccans.
Terrell D Lewis
2004-08-07 20:13:48 UTC
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Post by SteveZ176
On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:10:36 -0700, "Brenda G. Kent"
Post by Brenda G. Kent
Recruit?
What witches?
Wiccans are not allowed to proselytize or recruit. So please don't slap
this on all witches.
As far as Satanists go...not being in that faith..I have no idea.
Blessings
Bren
Wicca is all the same, Witches are Wiccans.
Not necessarily, there are a few "denominations" of Wicca, and not all
witches are Wiccans. There are satanists who call themselves witches,
and other groups as well, I believe.

Terrell
SteveZ176
2004-08-07 20:31:38 UTC
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On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 20:13:48 GMT, Terrell D Lewis
Post by Terrell D Lewis
Post by SteveZ176
On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:10:36 -0700, "Brenda G. Kent"
Post by Brenda G. Kent
Recruit?
What witches?
Wiccans are not allowed to proselytize or recruit. So please don't slap
this on all witches.
As far as Satanists go...not being in that faith..I have no idea.
Blessings
Bren
Wicca is all the same, Witches are Wiccans.
Not necessarily, there are a few "denominations" of Wicca, and not all
witches are Wiccans. There are satanists who call themselves witches,
and other groups as well, I believe.
Terrell
Terrell, are you getting into Wicca?

Don't you know that all Wicca, Satanism and the New Age are of
Satan/Lucifer the fallen one, no matter how you look at it.

Steve
Terrell D Lewis
2004-08-07 20:50:05 UTC
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Post by SteveZ176
Terrell, are you getting into Wicca?
Don't you know that all Wicca, Satanism and the New Age are of
Satan/Lucifer the fallen one, no matter how you look at it.
LOL, no.

I have studied comparative religion all my life...in a post I just
sent prior to reading this, I covered why wicca and christianity are
incompatable, but I felt your post was inaccurate and don't believe
the cause of christ is served by inaccurate attacks on other religions
... read Paul's address to the Athenians to see a better way.


Terrell
Jani
2004-08-07 22:19:00 UTC
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Post by Terrell D Lewis
Post by SteveZ176
Terrell, are you getting into Wicca?
Don't you know that all Wicca, Satanism and the New Age are of
Satan/Lucifer the fallen one, no matter how you look at it.
LOL, no.
I have studied comparative religion all my life..
Hon, I think you might have missed a few salient points :) See my other post
..

Jani
The Last Church
2004-08-08 05:44:48 UTC
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On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 20:50:05 GMT, Terrell D Lewis
<I covered why wicca and christianity are
<incompatable,
.
"You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards, witches,
demons, sticks turning into snakes, burning bushes, food falling
from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical,
absurd and primitive stories, and you say that WE are the ones
that need help?" - Mark Twain

The Christianity of organized religion is not compatible with any
thing but money, politics, and power. How ever Organized religion is
not the Christianity Jesus teaches. Christ says, " I am all things to
all people." To Witch he might be a witch. To Wicca he is all things
of nature.

.


In the mind of Christ,
Michael


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leading the blind...

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Brenda G. Kent
2004-08-08 06:15:11 UTC
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Christ says, " I am all things to
all people." To Witch he might be a witch. To Wicca he is all things
of nature.

Bren says: thankyou! totally in agreement.
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Brenda G. Kent
2004-08-07 21:42:30 UTC
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STeve said:

Don't you know that all Wicca, Satanism and the New Age are of
Satan/Lucifer the fallen one, no matter how you look at it.

Steve

Bren says: prove it Steve. Wicca does not believe in Satan.

Blessings
Bren
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Brenda G. Kent
2004-08-07 21:39:15 UTC
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Terrell is correct!

Wicca is the religion of SOME witches...not all.

Blessings
Bren
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Brenda G. Kent
2004-08-07 21:31:28 UTC
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that is like saying that a doctor is a Christian....just because you say
he is.

Not all Witches are Wiccan...but all Wiccans ARE witches.

Please learn before you post inaccuracies about my other faith.

thanks
Bren
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Jani
2004-08-07 21:37:40 UTC
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Post by SteveZ176
On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:10:36 -0700, "Brenda G. Kent"
Post by Brenda G. Kent
Recruit?
What witches?
Wiccans are not allowed to proselytize or recruit. So please don't slap
this on all witches.
As far as Satanists go...not being in that faith..I have no idea.
Blessings
Bren
Wicca is all the same, Witches are Wiccans.
Steve, do go and read your bible. Wicca was invented in the 1950s, and most
of it has devolved into newage silliness. The witches described in the
scriptures have nothing to do with Christianity, and very few of them would
be interested in Wicca, never mind newage wikka.

Jani
Reaper
2004-08-07 20:03:03 UTC
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Post by Brenda G. Kent
Recruit?
What witches?
Wiccans are not allowed to proselytize or recruit. So please don't slap
this on all witches.
As far as Satanists go...not being in that faith..I have no idea.
Blessings
Bren
Brenda, what you have done for a long long time is to keep the false
religion of Wicca are part of Christian groups, you have done your best
to make friends of good christians so that they would accept or at least
tolerate your false religion and told and continue to tell a huge lie
that a person can be wiccian and christian at the same time. The truth
of what you have done and continue to do is a shameful in the eyes of God.
Terrell D Lewis
2004-08-07 20:44:59 UTC
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Post by Reaper
Post by Brenda G. Kent
Recruit?
What witches?
Wiccans are not allowed to proselytize or recruit. So please don't slap
this on all witches.
As far as Satanists go...not being in that faith..I have no idea.
Blessings
Bren
Brenda, what you have done for a long long time is to keep the false
religion of Wicca are part of Christian groups, you have done your best
to make friends of good christians so that they would accept or at least
tolerate your false religion and told and continue to tell a huge lie
that a person can be wiccian and christian at the same time. The truth
of what you have done and continue to do is a shameful in the eyes of God.
It's amazing how much witchcraft is performed in many CHristian
churches ... example:

several years ago I attended a church where the preacher told people
to take an offerring envelope and write their "need" on it, then to
put some money in it and "plant it" (his words) in the collection
plate and expect to reap a return. This is what is called
"sympathetic magic."

A lot of the "name it and claim it" and prosperity churches and
preachers are practicising "Christian" witchcraft.

I also remember the last televised thing of Joyce Myers I listened to.
During her "talk" she started having the audience repeat a mantra
straight out of the SIlva Mind Control method, when she did that, my
wife and I looked at each other and turned it off, we were both
familiar with Silva, and have never watched her since. Silva's
literature mentions that many "pastors" have taken the "course."

THe religion of Wicca, and witchcraft are not entirely the same thing.
Neither are compatible with CHristianity, but there is more to be
concerned about from less subtile enroads.

As for Wicca, Wicca worships a higher being that is believed to be
incomprehensible, but, they surmise, that this diety must have female
and male attributes, hence, they worship a horned god (the male) and a
goddess, since the majority (not all) of Wiccans are female, emphasis
is given to the goddess. As such, Wicca and CHristianity are
incompatible because CHristianity holds that one cannot worship any
God but the Creator. As predominately a nature religion, WIcca
worships the created instead of the Creator.

Most of what you see in popular books and movies that feature
"witches" is total BS. Either made up to make a good story or lifted
from confessions made under torture during periods of inquisition ...
mostly innocent people were tortured until they "confessed" to what
the Catholic church wanted them to confess to.




Terrell
Brenda G. Kent
2004-08-07 21:47:43 UTC
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Terrell said:


THe religion of Wicca, and witchcraft are not entirely the same thing.
Neither are compatible with CHristianity, but there is more to be
concerned about from less subtile enroads.


Bren says: Don't agree Terrell. There are so many different interps on
Christianity and what Christ talks about..that one cannot say with any
validity that it is at odds with Wicca.
Wiccans don't just worship the creation as you have said. We worship the
Creator WITHIN all creation as well as without.

I've been a Witch for 14 years and a Wiccan one for about 11 of those
fourteen years. I have led a coven and have been a solitary. I am now a
first degree Priestess for the Correllian tradition (last year was
initiated) and we have never just worshipped the creation and not the
creator.

Blessings
Bren
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Jani
2004-08-07 22:17:25 UTC
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Post by Terrell D Lewis
Post by Reaper
Post by Brenda G. Kent
Recruit?
What witches?
Wiccans are not allowed to proselytize or recruit. So please don't slap
this on all witches.
As far as Satanists go...not being in that faith..I have no idea.
Blessings
Bren
Brenda, what you have done for a long long time is to keep the false
religion of Wicca are part of Christian groups, you have done your best
to make friends of good christians so that they would accept or at least
tolerate your false religion and told and continue to tell a huge lie
that a person can be wiccian and christian at the same time. The truth
of what you have done and continue to do is a shameful in the eyes of God.
It's amazing how much witchcraft is performed in many CHristian
several years ago I attended a church where the preacher told people
to take an offerring envelope and write their "need" on it, then to
put some money in it and "plant it" (his words) in the collection
plate and expect to reap a return. This is what is called
"sympathetic magic."
*chuckle* No, it's not. Sounds like a mishmash of the Christian parable of
the talents and the neo-wiccan rule of three, but it ain't magic. Fair play
to the chap for his attempt at headology, though.
Post by Terrell D Lewis
A lot of the "name it and claim it" and prosperity churches and
preachers are practicising "Christian" witchcraft.
There's no such thing. The Christian paradigm, quite aside from the
debatable lands of the KJV scriptures, totally removes any *need* for craft,
because all power comes only from the Christian god.
Post by Terrell D Lewis
I also remember the last televised thing of Joyce Myers I listened to.
During her "talk" she started having the audience repeat a mantra
straight out of the SIlva Mind Control method, when she did that, my
wife and I looked at each other and turned it off, we were both
familiar with Silva, and have never watched her since. Silva's
literature mentions that many "pastors" have taken the "course."
Heh. Silva's clever. A lot of the people who spat and froth about witches
and demons would do *much* better to look at psychology, rather than
religion.
Post by Terrell D Lewis
THe religion of Wicca, and witchcraft are not entirely the same thing.
Neither are compatible with CHristianity, but there is more to be
concerned about from less subtile enroads.
As for Wicca, Wicca worships a higher being that is believed to be
incomprehensible, but, they surmise, that this diety must have female
and male attributes, hence, they worship a horned god (the male) and a
goddess, since the majority (not all) of Wiccans are female, emphasis
is given to the goddess.
Close, but no cigar. The best summary of the theology is probably Dion
Fortune's "all Gods are one God, all Goddesses are one Goddess, and there is
one Initiator". The cyclical interaction between the aspects of the God and
Goddess is best discussed with Wiccan theologians. I find it at least as
complex as the interaction between Son and Father, in Christianity.


As such, Wicca and CHristianity are
Post by Terrell D Lewis
incompatible because CHristianity holds that one cannot worship any
God but the Creator. As predominately a nature religion, WIcca
worships the created instead of the Creator.
Almost ... Christianity states that Jesus is Lord, and does indeed
distinguish between the creator and the created. Wicca asserts the "divine
spark" in the created, but also acknowledges the superiority of the Creator.
Post by Terrell D Lewis
Most of what you see in popular books and movies that feature
"witches" is total BS. Either made up to make a good story or lifted
from confessions made under torture during periods of inquisition ...
mostly innocent people were tortured until they "confessed" to what
the Catholic church wanted them to confess to.
'Scuse me, the Pendle witches were dragged off, tried and hanged by
*Protestants*. Most of the so-called "burning times" were down to Christians
not liking other Christians.

Jani
Terrell D Lewis
2004-08-07 22:32:14 UTC
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Post by Jani
Post by Terrell D Lewis
several years ago I attended a church where the preacher told people
to take an offerring envelope and write their "need" on it, then to
put some money in it and "plant it" (his words) in the collection
plate and expect to reap a return. This is what is called
"sympathetic magic."
*chuckle* No, it's not. Sounds like a mishmash of the Christian parable of
the talents and the neo-wiccan rule of three, but it ain't magic. Fair play
to the chap for his attempt at headology, though.
It is a form of what's called "sympathetic magic" whichh is a form of
imatative magic or role-play, where one imitates the desired action.
In this case, pretending to plant the offerring as if it were a seed
(comes from a misuse of the parable about the seed being planted on
different kinds of ground with varying results, which CHrist explains
a few verses later as applying to the gospel).

By witchcraft here, I do not mean "Wiccan-craft" but witchcraft,
nonetheless.

Wicca, itself, is a fairly new religion based on interpretations of
folklore, folk medicine, etc.


Terrell
Terrell D Lewis
2004-08-07 22:32:56 UTC
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Post by Jani
Post by Terrell D Lewis
A lot of the "name it and claim it" and prosperity churches and
preachers are practicising "Christian" witchcraft.
There's no such thing. The Christian paradigm, quite aside from the
debatable lands of the KJV scriptures, totally removes any *need* for craft,
because all power comes only from the Christian god.
That's why I put quotation marks around the word "Christian."

Terrell
Brenda G. Kent
2004-08-08 05:49:25 UTC
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Post by Jani
There's no such thing. The Christian paradigm, quite aside from the
debatable lands of the KJV scriptures, totally removes any *need* for craft,
because all power comes only from the Christian god.
Bren says: In my opinion all magick comes from God. We merely focus it or
shape it...but seeing that all is God..then magick comes from...and is
God.
That is one Wiccans belief. This is why I see Christianity and Wicca not
being at odds with one another...well one of the reasons anyway.

Blessings
Bren
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Terrell D Lewis
2004-08-08 15:22:16 UTC
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On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 22:49:25 -0700, "Brenda G. Kent"
No I didn't
Post by SteveZ176
Post by Jani
There's no such thing. The Christian paradigm, quite aside from the
debatable lands of the KJV scriptures, totally removes any *need* for
craft,
Post by Jani
because all power comes only from the Christian god.
Bren says: In my opinion all magick comes from God. We merely focus it or
shape it...but seeing that all is God..then magick comes from...and is
God.
That is one Wiccans belief. This is why I see Christianity and Wicca not
being at odds with one another...well one of the reasons anyway.
Even within Wicca there is a sense of "good" magic, that which harms
none, and "bad" magic, that which causes harm ... and some Wiccans
realize that even magic intended for good can cause harm even
unintentionally.

Wicca and Christianity are incompatable from the standpoint that
CHristianity forbids the worship of any other God than YHWH.


Terrell
Terrell D Lewis
2004-08-07 22:35:43 UTC
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Post by Jani
Post by Terrell D Lewis
Most of what you see in popular books and movies that feature
"witches" is total BS. Either made up to make a good story or lifted
from confessions made under torture during periods of inquisition ...
mostly innocent people were tortured until they "confessed" to what
the Catholic church wanted them to confess to.
'Scuse me, the Pendle witches were dragged off, tried and hanged by
*Protestants*. Most of the so-called "burning times" were down to Christians
not liking other Christians.
Agreed

Most of it had a lot to do with the property of the accused being
forfeited.


Terrell
Jani
2004-08-08 00:03:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Terrell D Lewis
Post by Jani
Post by Terrell D Lewis
Most of what you see in popular books and movies that feature
"witches" is total BS. Either made up to make a good story or lifted
from confessions made under torture during periods of inquisition ...
mostly innocent people were tortured until they "confessed" to what
the Catholic church wanted them to confess to.
'Scuse me, the Pendle witches were dragged off, tried and hanged by
*Protestants*. Most of the so-called "burning times" were down to Christians
not liking other Christians.
Agreed
Most of it had a lot to do with the property of the accused being
forfeited.
Yup, if you look at the Salem transcripts, that comes over very clearly -
but so does the breeding-ground for hysteria amongst the isolated
communities of puritans. With the Pendle trials, there was only one accused
with any property worth forfeiting - the Nutter family, some of whom were
Catholic - and most of it is sheer neighbourly vindictiveness amongst the
poor, and the magistrates taking advantage of that. They *totally* missed
the real witch families in Lancashire, who are still there :)

Jani
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2004-08-08 15:47:15 UTC
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In article <***@4ax.com>,
***@sbcglobal.net sez the following stuff in this here li'l
ole news'froup...!
Post by Terrell D Lewis
Post by Reaper
Post by Brenda G. Kent
Recruit?
What witches?
Wiccans are not allowed to proselytize or recruit. So please don't slap
this on all witches.
As far as Satanists go...not being in that faith..I have no idea.
Blessings
Bren
Brenda, what you have done for a long long time is to keep the false
religion of Wicca are part of Christian groups, you have done your best
to make friends of good christians so that they would accept or at least
tolerate your false religion and told and continue to tell a huge lie
that a person can be wiccian and christian at the same time. The truth
of what you have done and continue to do is a shameful in the eyes of God.
It's amazing how much witchcraft is performed in many CHristian
several years ago I attended a church where the preacher told people
to take an offerring envelope and write their "need" on it, then to
put some money in it and "plant it" (his words) in the collection
plate and expect to reap a return. This is what is called
"sympathetic magic."
True, and it is indeed nothing but witchcraft.
Post by Terrell D Lewis
A lot of the "name it and claim it" and prosperity churches and
preachers are practicising "Christian" witchcraft.
'Christian' in name only, Terrell...... REAL Christianity is not
compatible with witchery.
Post by Terrell D Lewis
I also remember the last televised thing of Joyce Myers I listened to.
During her "talk" she started having the audience repeat a mantra
straight out of the SIlva Mind Control method, when she did that, my
wife and I looked at each other and turned it off, we were both
familiar with Silva, and have never watched her since. Silva's
literature mentions that many "pastors" have taken the "course."
Strange, isn't it? I have enjoyed reading some of her books, but I DO NOT
like her on television. She appears arrogant, and struts, instead of
merely walking across the stage, and there should be no need for that.

If she follows 'silvania'---- she's flipped her coconut.
Post by Terrell D Lewis
THe religion of Wicca, and witchcraft are not entirely the same thing.
Neither are compatible with CHristianity, but there is more to be
concerned about from less subtile enroads.
As for Wicca, Wicca worships a higher being that is believed to be
incomprehensible, but, they surmise, that this diety must have female
and male attributes, hence, they worship a horned god (the male) and a
goddess, since the majority (not all) of Wiccans are female, emphasis
is given to the goddess. As such, Wicca and CHristianity are
incompatible because CHristianity holds that one cannot worship any
God but the Creator. As predominately a nature religion, WIcca
worships the created instead of the Creator.
RIGHT. We cannot serve TWO masters.... as the Bible states.
If we love and serve GOD, then we can't practice witchcraft, and vice
versa.
Post by Terrell D Lewis
Most of what you see in popular books and movies that feature
"witches" is total BS. Either made up to make a good story or lifted
from confessions made under torture during periods of inquisition ...
mostly innocent people were tortured until they "confessed" to what
the Catholic church wanted them to confess to.
Terrell
Sad, but true.
Now there was a comedy show that still is aired on DejaView, called
'Bewitched', starring Elizabeth Montgomery, who plays a witch who pulls a
lot of innocent pranks, and often 'teaches enemies a good lesson' by her
spells... the show is a comedy, however, and needs to be treated as
such..... same as "I dream of Jeannie", another sitcom which depicts a
2000-year old beautiful genie who was locked in the bottle until Captain
Anthony Nelson found her on the seashore, and released her-- from there
on, he became Major; he, his friend, Major Healey and Jeannie were the
best of friends, who could obtain whatever they desired through Jeannie's
magical powers.......... again, we need to remember that is COMEDY!

But I often wonder-- how many really think Harry Potter is 'the real
thing'? !!!!

Perspective plays a major role here.

As for those poor innocent people who were so hideously tortured into
'confessing' anything the abusers wanted, that history certainly IS true.
The denominaton involved has, unfortunately, tried to 'doctor up' its
sordid history, all to no avail. The truth will always rise to the
surface, just like the grease scum comes to the top of the soup....

All their efforts in trying to hide what they did will be eventually
exposed regardless, so let 'em try.
God bless :o)
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2004-08-07 20:54:13 UTC
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Post by Reaper
Post by Brenda G. Kent
Recruit?
What witches?
Wiccans are not allowed to proselytize or recruit. So please don't slap
this on all witches.
As far as Satanists go...not being in that faith..I have no idea.
Blessings
Bren
Brenda, what you have done for a long long time is to keep the false
religion of Wicca are part of Christian groups, you have done your best
to make friends of good christians so that they would accept or at least
tolerate your false religion and told and continue to tell a huge lie
that a person can be wiccian and christian at the same time. The truth
of what you have done and continue to do is a shameful in the eyes of God.
It's not very well received by the Wiccans and pagans she pretends to belong
to, either.

Jani
Brenda G. Kent
2004-08-07 21:35:31 UTC
Permalink
said:

Brenda, what you have done for a long long time is to keep the false
religion of Wicca are part of Christian groups, you have done your best
to make friends of good christians so that they would accept or at least
tolerate your false religion and told and continue to tell a huge lie
that a person can be wiccian and christian at the same time. The truth
of what you have done and continue to do is a shameful in the eyes of God.



Bren said: I don't do this to be accepted by others as it is obviously not
the best way to be. I am a Christian and a Wiccan. I post on these two
newsgroups because I am these two things.

The truth is for God to decide.

Who is feeling shame? I am not.

Blessings
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2004-08-08 15:33:27 UTC
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In article <XzaRc.12211$***@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
***@yahoo.com sez the following stuff in this here li'l ole
news'froup...!
Post by Reaper
Post by Brenda G. Kent
Recruit?
What witches?
Wiccans are not allowed to proselytize or recruit. So please don't slap
this on all witches.
As far as Satanists go...not being in that faith..I have no idea.
Blessings
Bren
Brenda, what you have done for a long long time is to keep the false
religion of Wicca are part of Christian groups, you have done your best
to make friends of good christians so that they would accept or at least
tolerate your false religion and told and continue to tell a huge lie
that a person can be wiccian and christian at the same time. The truth
of what you have done and continue to do is a shameful in the eyes of God.
AMEN.

Witchcraft and CHRISTIANITY are NOT compatible in any way, shape or form.

Unfortunately, Brenda continues to try to convince herself, through her
own rationalization, that it is, and the sad thing is, she damns herself
in so doing.
Sadder still, she is attempting to promulgate wiccan lies here in
Christian groups, and may well succeed in fooling some people who will
fall for her tall tales.

and yes, the SADDEST thing is, she does disgrace God in promoting
witchery.
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2004-08-07 21:08:05 UTC
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Post by Brenda G. Kent
Recruit?
What witches?
Wiccans are not allowed to proselytize or recruit. So please don't slap
this on all witches.
*Not allowed*? I thought you said all witches were individuals, and could do
what they want?
Post by Brenda G. Kent
As far as Satanists go...not being in that faith..I have no idea.
Ah. We'll just push your "embracing Satanism" under the rug then, shall we?

Jani
Jani
2004-08-07 19:57:48 UTC
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Post by SteveZ176
http://www.fillthevoid.org/Entertainment/14-things.html
Witches and Satanists Use the Media to Recruit
. . .by David Benoit
"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools." (Rom. 1:22)
Witches and Satanists use the media to recruit. This is an entry in
the The U.S. Chaplain 's Manual from the Church of Satan on ethics,
recruiting, and relationships. They were questioned concerning how the
Church of Satan recruits new members. They responded with the
"The church does not proselytize but welcomes inquiries from honest
potential Satanists who hear about the church from the various books
about it, the mass media, or word-of-mouth. "1
This is also from the U.S. Chaplain ' s Manual. This entry is from the
American Council of Witches, and they were asked the same question. It
"Witches do not proselytize, but welcome inquiries from those who hear
about the craft by either word-of-mouth or the media."2
For two totally different organizations and two totally different
entries, they surely have some definite similarities. If two totally
separate and different people wrote these two documents, without one
another's knowledge, they must have been led by the same spirit. So,
in essence, they say they do not proselytize, but they both have one
thing in common. They both have their religion propagated by the
media.
OK, I've been through all of the relevant sections of the Chaplain's
Handbook in etext, and I can't find these quotes anywhere. Got a ref?

Jani
SteveZ176
2004-08-07 20:26:34 UTC
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Post by Jani
Post by SteveZ176
http://www.fillthevoid.org/Entertainment/14-things.html
Witches and Satanists Use the Media to Recruit
. . .by David Benoit
"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools." (Rom. 1:22)
Witches and Satanists use the media to recruit. This is an entry in
the The U.S. Chaplain 's Manual from the Church of Satan on ethics,
recruiting, and relationships. They were questioned concerning how the
Church of Satan recruits new members. They responded with the
"The church does not proselytize but welcomes inquiries from honest
potential Satanists who hear about the church from the various books
about it, the mass media, or word-of-mouth. "1
This is also from the U.S. Chaplain ' s Manual. This entry is from the
American Council of Witches, and they were asked the same question. It
"Witches do not proselytize, but welcome inquiries from those who hear
about the craft by either word-of-mouth or the media."2
For two totally different organizations and two totally different
entries, they surely have some definite similarities. If two totally
separate and different people wrote these two documents, without one
another's knowledge, they must have been led by the same spirit. So,
in essence, they say they do not proselytize, but they both have one
thing in common. They both have their religion propagated by the
media.
OK, I've been through all of the relevant sections of the Chaplain's
Handbook in etext, and I can't find these quotes anywhere. Got a ref?
Jani
Google for it, it is there.
Jani
2004-08-07 20:51:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by SteveZ176
Post by Jani
Post by SteveZ176
http://www.fillthevoid.org/Entertainment/14-things.html
Witches and Satanists Use the Media to Recruit
. . .by David Benoit
"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools." (Rom. 1:22)
Witches and Satanists use the media to recruit. This is an entry in
the The U.S. Chaplain 's Manual from the Church of Satan on ethics,
recruiting, and relationships. They were questioned concerning how the
Church of Satan recruits new members. They responded with the
"The church does not proselytize but welcomes inquiries from honest
potential Satanists who hear about the church from the various books
about it, the mass media, or word-of-mouth. "1
This is also from the U.S. Chaplain ' s Manual. This entry is from the
American Council of Witches, and they were asked the same question. It
"Witches do not proselytize, but welcome inquiries from those who hear
about the craft by either word-of-mouth or the media."2
For two totally different organizations and two totally different
entries, they surely have some definite similarities. If two totally
separate and different people wrote these two documents, without one
another's knowledge, they must have been led by the same spirit. So,
in essence, they say they do not proselytize, but they both have one
thing in common. They both have their religion propagated by the
media.
OK, I've been through all of the relevant sections of the Chaplain's
Handbook in etext, and I can't find these quotes anywhere. Got a ref?
Jani
Google for it, it is there.
I did, and it isn't. The entire 2000 edition of the Handbook is available
online, and those quotes are not there. If you have a more up-to-date
version, please post the URL.

Jani
Terrell D Lewis
2004-08-07 20:11:35 UTC
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Post by SteveZ176
Just to prove my point, let's talk about The Wizard of Oz. Is this
family classic just a family classic, or could it be classic
witchcraft?
Did it ever occur to you that L Frank Baum who wrote the wizard of oz
and other stories after several failures in business was encouraged to
write down the stories he made up for his own children simply was
writing children's stories?


Terrell
SteveZ176
2004-08-07 20:30:14 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 20:11:35 GMT, Terrell D Lewis
Post by Terrell D Lewis
Post by SteveZ176
Just to prove my point, let's talk about The Wizard of Oz. Is this
family classic just a family classic, or could it be classic
witchcraft?
Did it ever occur to you that L Frank Baum who wrote the wizard of oz
and other stories after several failures in business was encouraged to
write down the stories he made up for his own children simply was
writing children's stories?
Terrell
Terrell, are you ok?

The Wizard of Oz is rich in demonic Wicca, don't even tell me you have
fallen for the Wicca lies.

Steve
Terrell D Lewis
2004-08-07 20:54:33 UTC
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Post by SteveZ176
On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 20:11:35 GMT, Terrell D Lewis
Post by Terrell D Lewis
Post by SteveZ176
Just to prove my point, let's talk about The Wizard of Oz. Is this
family classic just a family classic, or could it be classic
witchcraft?
Did it ever occur to you that L Frank Baum who wrote the wizard of oz
and other stories after several failures in business was encouraged to
write down the stories he made up for his own children simply was
writing children's stories?
Terrell
Terrell, are you ok?
The Wizard of Oz is rich in demonic Wicca, don't even tell me you have
fallen for the Wicca lies.
Steve
It would help if you knew something about the subject, I have been a
student of comparative religion my whole life, Wicca is incompatable
with CHristianity, but the Wizard of OZ has nothing to do with Wicca,
L Frank Baum was just a sickly kid who was terrified of the fairy
tales popular in his day and wanted to write something less scary for
children...he probably didn't know anything about wicca either.


Terrell
SteveZ176
2004-08-07 21:04:47 UTC
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On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 20:54:33 GMT, Terrell D Lewis
Post by Terrell D Lewis
Post by SteveZ176
On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 20:11:35 GMT, Terrell D Lewis
Post by Terrell D Lewis
Post by SteveZ176
Just to prove my point, let's talk about The Wizard of Oz. Is this
family classic just a family classic, or could it be classic
witchcraft?
Did it ever occur to you that L Frank Baum who wrote the wizard of oz
and other stories after several failures in business was encouraged to
write down the stories he made up for his own children simply was
writing children's stories?
Terrell
Terrell, are you ok?
The Wizard of Oz is rich in demonic Wicca, don't even tell me you have
fallen for the Wicca lies.
Steve
It would help if you knew something about the subject, I have been a
student of comparative religion my whole life, Wicca is incompatable
with CHristianity, but the Wizard of OZ has nothing to do with Wicca,
L Frank Baum was just a sickly kid who was terrified of the fairy
tales popular in his day and wanted to write something less scary for
children...he probably didn't know anything about wicca either.
Terrell
I do know what I am talking about, in the Oz movie they use so much
symbolgy that witches use it is sickening.

Steve
JB
2004-08-07 21:28:46 UTC
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Post by SteveZ176
I do know what I am talking about, in the Oz movie they use so much
symbolgy that witches use it is sickening.
Steve
...and it's got witches in it! How much more proof do you need!!!
Brenda G. Kent
2004-08-07 21:54:15 UTC
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...and it's got witches in it! How much more proof do you need!!!


Bren says: heh...well that cinches it!

;)

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Brenda G. Kent
2004-08-07 21:49:33 UTC
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STeve said:
I do know what I am talking about, in the Oz movie they use so much
symbolgy that witches use it is sickening.

Steve


Bren asks: please show this "symbology" Steve. I wanna see this..heh.

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Gene Goldman
2004-08-07 22:05:37 UTC
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Post by SteveZ176
I do know what I am talking about, in the Oz movie they use so much
symbolgy that witches use it is sickening.
And you say this as an expert on witchcraft, or sickeningness?
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On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 20:54:33 GMT, Terrell D Lewis
Post by Terrell D Lewis
Post by SteveZ176
On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 20:11:35 GMT, Terrell D Lewis
Post by Terrell D Lewis
Post by SteveZ176
Just to prove my point, let's talk about The Wizard of Oz. Is this
family classic just a family classic, or could it be classic
witchcraft?
Did it ever occur to you that L Frank Baum who wrote the wizard of oz
and other stories after several failures in business was encouraged to
write down the stories he made up for his own children simply was
writing children's stories?
Terrell
Terrell, are you ok?
The Wizard of Oz is rich in demonic Wicca, don't even tell me you have
fallen for the Wicca lies.
Steve
It would help if you knew something about the subject, I have been a
student of comparative religion my whole life, Wicca is incompatable
with CHristianity, but the Wizard of OZ has nothing to do with Wicca,
L Frank Baum was just a sickly kid who was terrified of the fairy
tales popular in his day and wanted to write something less scary for
children...he probably didn't know anything about wicca either.
Terrell
I do know what I am talking about, in the Oz movie they use so much
symbolgy that witches use it is sickening.
Steve
Oh, don't be silly. Go and learn about semiotics, or something. Everything
you *see* is a symbol. If you can't cope with movies, don't watch 'em.

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SteveZ176
2004-08-07 21:16:29 UTC
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http://www.crossroad.to/News/oz.html


The Wizard of Oz


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<http://www.theosophical.org/theosophy/oz/notabletheosophist/> A
Notable
Theosophist - L. Frank Baum...is best known as the author of the
popular
children's book The Wizard of Oz, on which the 1939 movie starring
Judy
Garland was based.... He firmly believed in reincarnation... and
believed
that he and his wife had been together in many past states....
Theosophical
ideas permeate his work and provided the inspiration for it. Indeed,
The
Wizard can be regarded as Theosophical allegory... The story came to
Baum as
an inspiration, and he accepted it with a certain awe as a gift from
outside, or perhaps from deep within, himself. Frank Baum... was our
first
and perhaps greatest Theosophical writer for children." Read about
Theosophy
in
<file:///C:/crossroad.to/Books/BraveNewSchools/2-International.htm#1>
The International Agenda and
<http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/2003/occult-rpg.htm> Popular
Occultism



<http://www.balaams-ass.com/journal/homemake/wizardoz.htm> L. Frank
Baum
and the Not-So-Wonderful Wizard of Oz: "L. Frank Baum... was
interested in
Theosophy (which he and his wife joined in 1896), and The Wonderful
Wizard
of Oz is on page 36 of the Theosophical University Press 1989-90
catalogue,
which features 'the principle source-writings of the modern
Theosophical
movement and seeks to provide a...comprehensive presentation of the
ancient
wisdom-tradition.' ...

"Concerning Theosophy, Baum pronounced, 'God is Nature, and
Nature
God," and in the Aberdeen, South Dakota Saturday Pioneer (January 25,
1890)
he wrote of 'an eager longing to penetrate the secrets of Nature -- an
aspiration for knowledge we have thought is forbidden.'

"...the Theosophists are 'searchers for truth' and 'admit the
existence of God -- not necessarily a personal God.' He believed in
the
theory of elementals (invisible, vapory beings) popularized in Madame
Blavatsky's Isis Unveiled (1877), and like the Rosicrucians' belief in
the
combining of God and nature, and not unlike William Butler Yeats'
(Mason and
Fabian) search for a new mysticism.

"Baum believed in reincarnation, in karma, that there was no
devil,
and 'that man on earth was only one step on the ladder that passed
through
many states of consciousness, through many universes, to a final state
of
Enlightenment,' according to Michael Patrick Hearn in his book, The
Annotated Wizard of Oz (1973). Hearn is also quoted in Children's
Literature
Review (CLR), vol. 15, as saying 'The author of The Wonderful Wizard
of Oz
was...well read in the occult sciences.....

"In the Saturday Pioneer (October 18, 1890), Baum wrote that 'the
absurd and legendary devil is the enigma of the Church,' and in the Oz
books, he said there were both 'good' and 'bad' demons and witches....

"Before meeting the Wizard in Oz, the cowardly lion says he will
do
what's necessary until the Wizard 'promises to give us what we
desire'; in
Masonic initiation, the individual is asked, 'What do you most
desire?'"

<http://www.rpg.net/news+reviews/columns/archetypology27nov01.html>
Fact,
Fiction, & Fallacies: "Neither The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, nor the
film it
inspired, have anything to do with wizards; in both cases, the deep,
dark
secret is that the Wizard of Oz isn't a wizard, and that Dorothy's
magical
slippers, nabbed from a witch's corpse, actually hold the power to get
home.
It is the witches in the story who have all the power; those of East
and
West being evil, they must be defeated in turn by Dorothy, with help
from
the good witches of the North and South. Dorothy herself is arguably a
witch, for in keeping with some magical legends, in killing the bad
witches
she takes part of their power."

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Jani
2004-08-07 22:37:59 UTC
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Nice links, if I ever have to teach Oz as part of a lit syllabus ..
seriously, Steve, do you actually read any of these sites, and understand
them, or do you just hurl them out as gospel?

Jani
Post by SteveZ176
http://www.crossroad.to/News/oz.html
The Wizard of Oz
Atlantis <http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/Atlantis.htm> , Trapped in
the
<http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/2003/matrix.htm> Matrix,
<file:///C:/crossroad.to/Books/BraveNewSchools/2-International.htm#1>
The
International Agenda and Star Wars Joins
<http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles/starwar6-99.html> United
Religions
<http://www.crossroad.to/index.html> Home ~ News Index
<http://www.crossroad.to/News/1-News&Summaries.html> ~ Articles
<http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles.html>
_____
May
<http://www.theosophical.org/theosophy/oz/notabletheosophist/> A
Notable
Theosophist - L. Frank Baum...is best known as the author of the
popular
children's book The Wizard of Oz, on which the 1939 movie starring
Judy
Garland was based.... He firmly believed in reincarnation... and
believed
that he and his wife had been together in many past states....
Theosophical
ideas permeate his work and provided the inspiration for it. Indeed,
The
Wizard can be regarded as Theosophical allegory... The story came to
Baum as
an inspiration, and he accepted it with a certain awe as a gift from
outside, or perhaps from deep within, himself. Frank Baum... was our
first
and perhaps greatest Theosophical writer for children." Read about
Theosophy
in
<file:///C:/crossroad.to/Books/BraveNewSchools/2-International.htm#1>
The International Agenda and
<http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/2003/occult-rpg.htm> Popular
Occultism
<http://www.balaams-ass.com/journal/homemake/wizardoz.htm> L. Frank
Baum
and the Not-So-Wonderful Wizard of Oz: "L. Frank Baum... was
interested in
Theosophy (which he and his wife joined in 1896), and The Wonderful
Wizard
of Oz is on page 36 of the Theosophical University Press 1989-90
catalogue,
which features 'the principle source-writings of the modern
Theosophical
movement and seeks to provide a...comprehensive presentation of the
ancient
wisdom-tradition.' ...
"Concerning Theosophy, Baum pronounced, 'God is Nature, and
Nature
God," and in the Aberdeen, South Dakota Saturday Pioneer (January 25,
1890)
he wrote of 'an eager longing to penetrate the secrets of Nature -- an
aspiration for knowledge we have thought is forbidden.'
"...the Theosophists are 'searchers for truth' and 'admit the
existence of God -- not necessarily a personal God.' He believed in
the
theory of elementals (invisible, vapory beings) popularized in Madame
Blavatsky's Isis Unveiled (1877), and like the Rosicrucians' belief in
the
combining of God and nature, and not unlike William Butler Yeats'
(Mason and
Fabian) search for a new mysticism.
"Baum believed in reincarnation, in karma, that there was no
devil,
and 'that man on earth was only one step on the ladder that passed
through
many states of consciousness, through many universes, to a final state
of
Enlightenment,' according to Michael Patrick Hearn in his book, The
Annotated Wizard of Oz (1973). Hearn is also quoted in Children's
Literature
Review (CLR), vol. 15, as saying 'The author of The Wonderful Wizard
of Oz
was...well read in the occult sciences.....
"In the Saturday Pioneer (October 18, 1890), Baum wrote that 'the
absurd and legendary devil is the enigma of the Church,' and in the Oz
books, he said there were both 'good' and 'bad' demons and witches....
"Before meeting the Wizard in Oz, the cowardly lion says he will
do
what's necessary until the Wizard 'promises to give us what we
desire'; in
Masonic initiation, the individual is asked, 'What do you most
desire?'"
<http://www.rpg.net/news+reviews/columns/archetypology27nov01.html>
Fact,
Fiction, & Fallacies: "Neither The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, nor the
film it
inspired, have anything to do with wizards; in both cases, the deep,
dark
secret is that the Wizard of Oz isn't a wizard, and that Dorothy's
magical
slippers, nabbed from a witch's corpse, actually hold the power to get
home.
It is the witches in the story who have all the power; those of East
and
West being evil, they must be defeated in turn by Dorothy, with help
from
the good witches of the North and South. Dorothy herself is arguably a
witch, for in keeping with some magical legends, in killing the bad
witches
she takes part of their power."
_____
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SteveZ176
2004-08-07 22:47:56 UTC
Permalink
yes, I have read all this info, and have archived it to future uses,
like today when I needed to prove what I was saying.
Post by Jani
Nice links, if I ever have to teach Oz as part of a lit syllabus ..
seriously, Steve, do you actually read any of these sites, and understand
them, or do you just hurl them out as gospel?
Jani
Post by SteveZ176
http://www.crossroad.to/News/oz.html
The Wizard of Oz
Atlantis <http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/Atlantis.htm> , Trapped in
the
<http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/2003/matrix.htm> Matrix,
<file:///C:/crossroad.to/Books/BraveNewSchools/2-International.htm#1>
The
International Agenda and Star Wars Joins
<http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles/starwar6-99.html> United
Religions
<http://www.crossroad.to/index.html> Home ~ News Index
<http://www.crossroad.to/News/1-News&Summaries.html> ~ Articles
<http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles.html>
_____
May
<http://www.theosophical.org/theosophy/oz/notabletheosophist/> A
Notable
Theosophist - L. Frank Baum...is best known as the author of the
popular
children's book The Wizard of Oz, on which the 1939 movie starring
Judy
Garland was based.... He firmly believed in reincarnation... and
believed
that he and his wife had been together in many past states....
Theosophical
ideas permeate his work and provided the inspiration for it. Indeed,
The
Wizard can be regarded as Theosophical allegory... The story came to
Baum as
an inspiration, and he accepted it with a certain awe as a gift from
outside, or perhaps from deep within, himself. Frank Baum... was our
first
and perhaps greatest Theosophical writer for children." Read about
Theosophy
in
<file:///C:/crossroad.to/Books/BraveNewSchools/2-International.htm#1>
The International Agenda and
<http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/2003/occult-rpg.htm> Popular
Occultism
<http://www.balaams-ass.com/journal/homemake/wizardoz.htm> L. Frank
Baum
and the Not-So-Wonderful Wizard of Oz: "L. Frank Baum... was
interested in
Theosophy (which he and his wife joined in 1896), and The Wonderful
Wizard
of Oz is on page 36 of the Theosophical University Press 1989-90
catalogue,
which features 'the principle source-writings of the modern
Theosophical
movement and seeks to provide a...comprehensive presentation of the
ancient
wisdom-tradition.' ...
"Concerning Theosophy, Baum pronounced, 'God is Nature, and
Nature
God," and in the Aberdeen, South Dakota Saturday Pioneer (January 25,
1890)
he wrote of 'an eager longing to penetrate the secrets of Nature -- an
aspiration for knowledge we have thought is forbidden.'
"...the Theosophists are 'searchers for truth' and 'admit the
existence of God -- not necessarily a personal God.' He believed in
the
theory of elementals (invisible, vapory beings) popularized in Madame
Blavatsky's Isis Unveiled (1877), and like the Rosicrucians' belief in
the
combining of God and nature, and not unlike William Butler Yeats'
(Mason and
Fabian) search for a new mysticism.
"Baum believed in reincarnation, in karma, that there was no
devil,
and 'that man on earth was only one step on the ladder that passed
through
many states of consciousness, through many universes, to a final state
of
Enlightenment,' according to Michael Patrick Hearn in his book, The
Annotated Wizard of Oz (1973). Hearn is also quoted in Children's
Literature
Review (CLR), vol. 15, as saying 'The author of The Wonderful Wizard
of Oz
was...well read in the occult sciences.....
"In the Saturday Pioneer (October 18, 1890), Baum wrote that 'the
absurd and legendary devil is the enigma of the Church,' and in the Oz
books, he said there were both 'good' and 'bad' demons and witches....
"Before meeting the Wizard in Oz, the cowardly lion says he will
do
what's necessary until the Wizard 'promises to give us what we
desire'; in
Masonic initiation, the individual is asked, 'What do you most
desire?'"
<http://www.rpg.net/news+reviews/columns/archetypology27nov01.html>
Fact,
Fiction, & Fallacies: "Neither The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, nor the
film it
inspired, have anything to do with wizards; in both cases, the deep,
dark
secret is that the Wizard of Oz isn't a wizard, and that Dorothy's
magical
slippers, nabbed from a witch's corpse, actually hold the power to get
home.
It is the witches in the story who have all the power; those of East
and
West being evil, they must be defeated in turn by Dorothy, with help
from
the good witches of the North and South. Dorothy herself is arguably a
witch, for in keeping with some magical legends, in killing the bad
witches
she takes part of their power."
_____
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1 Corinthians 14:8 And also if the trumpet give an uncertain sound,
who
shall prepare himself to battle?
"Let not Geneva be forgotten or despised. Religious liberty owes it
most
respect." John Adams, the second president of the United States
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[
Jani
2004-08-07 23:48:56 UTC
Permalink
Reading it and bookmarking it is not the same as understanding it. All
you're "proving" is that you can cut and paste websites. Have you actually
read Baum's books, and looked at them in the context that two of the quotes
you have below actually *contradict* each other? If you want to prove you're
right, *you* have to do it, with the cites to back you up. Otherwise, people
will just laugh at you, and dismiss you as an idiot.

Does it really matter to you, to get your point across? Then learn how to do
it. Otherwise, you're pretty much indicating that your religion isn't even
worth learning about, or presenting in an intelligent way. At the moment,
you're fighting fire with a wet kleenex, which doesn't say a great deal for
whatever you're supposed to be fighting *for*.

Jani
Post by SteveZ176
yes, I have read all this info, and have archived it to future uses,
like today when I needed to prove what I was saying.
Post by Jani
Nice links, if I ever have to teach Oz as part of a lit syllabus ..
seriously, Steve, do you actually read any of these sites, and understand
them, or do you just hurl them out as gospel?
Jani
Post by SteveZ176
http://www.crossroad.to/News/oz.html
The Wizard of Oz
Atlantis <http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/Atlantis.htm> , Trapped in
the
<http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/2003/matrix.htm> Matrix,
<file:///C:/crossroad.to/Books/BraveNewSchools/2-International.htm#1>
The
International Agenda and Star Wars Joins
<http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles/starwar6-99.html> United
Religions
<http://www.crossroad.to/index.html> Home ~ News Index
<http://www.crossroad.to/News/1-News&Summaries.html> ~ Articles
<http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles.html>
_____
May
<http://www.theosophical.org/theosophy/oz/notabletheosophist/> A
Notable
Theosophist - L. Frank Baum...is best known as the author of the
popular
children's book The Wizard of Oz, on which the 1939 movie starring
Judy
Garland was based.... He firmly believed in reincarnation... and
believed
that he and his wife had been together in many past states....
Theosophical
ideas permeate his work and provided the inspiration for it. Indeed,
The
Wizard can be regarded as Theosophical allegory... The story came to
Baum as
an inspiration, and he accepted it with a certain awe as a gift from
outside, or perhaps from deep within, himself. Frank Baum... was our
first
and perhaps greatest Theosophical writer for children." Read about
Theosophy
in
<file:///C:/crossroad.to/Books/BraveNewSchools/2-International.htm#1>
The International Agenda and
<http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/2003/occult-rpg.htm> Popular
Occultism
<http://www.balaams-ass.com/journal/homemake/wizardoz.htm> L. Frank
Baum
and the Not-So-Wonderful Wizard of Oz: "L. Frank Baum... was
interested in
Theosophy (which he and his wife joined in 1896), and The Wonderful
Wizard
of Oz is on page 36 of the Theosophical University Press 1989-90
catalogue,
which features 'the principle source-writings of the modern
Theosophical
movement and seeks to provide a...comprehensive presentation of the
ancient
wisdom-tradition.' ...
"Concerning Theosophy, Baum pronounced, 'God is Nature, and
Nature
God," and in the Aberdeen, South Dakota Saturday Pioneer (January 25,
1890)
he wrote of 'an eager longing to penetrate the secrets of Nature -- an
aspiration for knowledge we have thought is forbidden.'
"...the Theosophists are 'searchers for truth' and 'admit the
existence of God -- not necessarily a personal God.' He believed in
the
theory of elementals (invisible, vapory beings) popularized in Madame
Blavatsky's Isis Unveiled (1877), and like the Rosicrucians' belief in
the
combining of God and nature, and not unlike William Butler Yeats'
(Mason and
Fabian) search for a new mysticism.
"Baum believed in reincarnation, in karma, that there was no
devil,
and 'that man on earth was only one step on the ladder that passed
through
many states of consciousness, through many universes, to a final state
of
Enlightenment,' according to Michael Patrick Hearn in his book, The
Annotated Wizard of Oz (1973). Hearn is also quoted in Children's
Literature
Review (CLR), vol. 15, as saying 'The author of The Wonderful Wizard
of Oz
was...well read in the occult sciences.....
"In the Saturday Pioneer (October 18, 1890), Baum wrote that 'the
absurd and legendary devil is the enigma of the Church,' and in the Oz
books, he said there were both 'good' and 'bad' demons and witches....
"Before meeting the Wizard in Oz, the cowardly lion says he will
do
what's necessary until the Wizard 'promises to give us what we
desire'; in
Masonic initiation, the individual is asked, 'What do you most
desire?'"
<http://www.rpg.net/news+reviews/columns/archetypology27nov01.html>
Fact,
Fiction, & Fallacies: "Neither The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, nor the
film it
inspired, have anything to do with wizards; in both cases, the deep,
dark
secret is that the Wizard of Oz isn't a wizard, and that Dorothy's
magical
slippers, nabbed from a witch's corpse, actually hold the power to get
home.
It is the witches in the story who have all the power; those of East
and
West being evil, they must be defeated in turn by Dorothy, with help
from
the good witches of the North and South. Dorothy herself is arguably a
witch, for in keeping with some magical legends, in killing the bad
witches
she takes part of their power."
_____
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1 Corinthians 14:8 And also if the trumpet give an uncertain sound,
who
shall prepare himself to battle?
"Let not Geneva be forgotten or despised. Religious liberty owes it
most
respect." John Adams, the second president of the United States
Yahoo Group Owner
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Watchmen-on-the-wall/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Geneva_Bible/
[
SteveZ176
2004-08-07 23:58:22 UTC
Permalink
Well here is a big WHATEVER, I do understand it, so go bark on someone
else.
Post by Jani
Reading it and bookmarking it is not the same as understanding it. All
you're "proving" is that you can cut and paste websites. Have you actually
read Baum's books, and looked at them in the context that two of the quotes
you have below actually *contradict* each other? If you want to prove you're
right, *you* have to do it, with the cites to back you up. Otherwise, people
will just laugh at you, and dismiss you as an idiot.
Does it really matter to you, to get your point across? Then learn how to do
it. Otherwise, you're pretty much indicating that your religion isn't even
worth learning about, or presenting in an intelligent way. At the moment,
you're fighting fire with a wet kleenex, which doesn't say a great deal for
whatever you're supposed to be fighting *for*.
Jani
Post by SteveZ176
yes, I have read all this info, and have archived it to future uses,
like today when I needed to prove what I was saying.
Post by Jani
Nice links, if I ever have to teach Oz as part of a lit syllabus ..
seriously, Steve, do you actually read any of these sites, and understand
them, or do you just hurl them out as gospel?
Jani
Post by SteveZ176
http://www.crossroad.to/News/oz.html
The Wizard of Oz
Atlantis <http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/Atlantis.htm> , Trapped in
the
<http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/2003/matrix.htm> Matrix,
<file:///C:/crossroad.to/Books/BraveNewSchools/2-International.htm#1>
The
International Agenda and Star Wars Joins
<http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles/starwar6-99.html> United
Religions
<http://www.crossroad.to/index.html> Home ~ News Index
<http://www.crossroad.to/News/1-News&Summaries.html> ~ Articles
<http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles.html>
_____
May
<http://www.theosophical.org/theosophy/oz/notabletheosophist/> A
Notable
Theosophist - L. Frank Baum...is best known as the author of the
popular
children's book The Wizard of Oz, on which the 1939 movie starring
Judy
Garland was based.... He firmly believed in reincarnation... and
believed
that he and his wife had been together in many past states....
Theosophical
ideas permeate his work and provided the inspiration for it. Indeed,
The
Wizard can be regarded as Theosophical allegory... The story came to
Baum as
an inspiration, and he accepted it with a certain awe as a gift from
outside, or perhaps from deep within, himself. Frank Baum... was our
first
and perhaps greatest Theosophical writer for children." Read about
Theosophy
in
<file:///C:/crossroad.to/Books/BraveNewSchools/2-International.htm#1>
The International Agenda and
<http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/2003/occult-rpg.htm> Popular
Occultism
<http://www.balaams-ass.com/journal/homemake/wizardoz.htm> L. Frank
Baum
and the Not-So-Wonderful Wizard of Oz: "L. Frank Baum... was
interested in
Theosophy (which he and his wife joined in 1896), and The Wonderful
Wizard
of Oz is on page 36 of the Theosophical University Press 1989-90
catalogue,
which features 'the principle source-writings of the modern
Theosophical
movement and seeks to provide a...comprehensive presentation of the
ancient
wisdom-tradition.' ...
"Concerning Theosophy, Baum pronounced, 'God is Nature, and
Nature
God," and in the Aberdeen, South Dakota Saturday Pioneer (January 25,
1890)
he wrote of 'an eager longing to penetrate the secrets of Nature -- an
aspiration for knowledge we have thought is forbidden.'
"...the Theosophists are 'searchers for truth' and 'admit the
existence of God -- not necessarily a personal God.' He believed in
the
theory of elementals (invisible, vapory beings) popularized in Madame
Blavatsky's Isis Unveiled (1877), and like the Rosicrucians' belief in
the
combining of God and nature, and not unlike William Butler Yeats'
(Mason and
Fabian) search for a new mysticism.
"Baum believed in reincarnation, in karma, that there was no
devil,
and 'that man on earth was only one step on the ladder that passed
through
many states of consciousness, through many universes, to a final state
of
Enlightenment,' according to Michael Patrick Hearn in his book, The
Annotated Wizard of Oz (1973). Hearn is also quoted in Children's
Literature
Review (CLR), vol. 15, as saying 'The author of The Wonderful Wizard
of Oz
was...well read in the occult sciences.....
"In the Saturday Pioneer (October 18, 1890), Baum wrote that 'the
absurd and legendary devil is the enigma of the Church,' and in the Oz
books, he said there were both 'good' and 'bad' demons and witches....
"Before meeting the Wizard in Oz, the cowardly lion says he will
do
what's necessary until the Wizard 'promises to give us what we
desire'; in
Masonic initiation, the individual is asked, 'What do you most
desire?'"
<http://www.rpg.net/news+reviews/columns/archetypology27nov01.html>
Fact,
Fiction, & Fallacies: "Neither The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, nor the
film it
inspired, have anything to do with wizards; in both cases, the deep,
dark
secret is that the Wizard of Oz isn't a wizard, and that Dorothy's
magical
slippers, nabbed from a witch's corpse, actually hold the power to get
home.
It is the witches in the story who have all the power; those of East
and
West being evil, they must be defeated in turn by Dorothy, with help
from
the good witches of the North and South. Dorothy herself is arguably a
witch, for in keeping with some magical legends, in killing the bad
witches
she takes part of their power."
_____
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1 Corinthians 14:8 And also if the trumpet give an uncertain sound,
who
shall prepare himself to battle?
"Let not Geneva be forgotten or despised. Religious liberty owes it
most
respect." John Adams, the second president of the United States
Yahoo Group Owner
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Watchmen-on-the-wall/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Geneva_Bible/
[
JB
2004-08-07 22:51:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jani
Nice links, if I ever have to teach Oz as part of a lit syllabus ..
seriously, Steve, do you actually read any of these sites, and
understand them, or do you just hurl them out as gospel?
Jani
Don't forget this is the geezer who doesn't believe in
extraterrestrials... but does believe that the US military are flying
around in "alien" space craft!
SteveZ176
2004-08-07 22:55:27 UTC
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Post by Jani
Nice links, if I ever have to teach Oz as part of a lit syllabus ..
seriously, Steve, do you actually read any of these sites, and
understand them, or do you just hurl them out as gospel?
Jani
Don't forget this is the geezer who doesn't believe in
extraterrestrials... but does believe that the US military are flying
around in "alien" space craft!
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Stop twisting what I said, the Military is flying craft that the
military built.
Jani
2004-08-07 23:49:05 UTC
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Post by Jani
Nice links, if I ever have to teach Oz as part of a lit syllabus ..
seriously, Steve, do you actually read any of these sites, and
understand them, or do you just hurl them out as gospel?
Jani
Don't forget this is the geezer who doesn't believe in
extraterrestrials... but does believe that the US military are flying
around in "alien" space craft!
He seems to believe in an awful lot of things, all of which he finds
threatening. Not a pleasant way to live :(

Jani
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SteveZ176
2004-08-08 12:16:35 UTC
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http://www.balaams-ass.com/journal/homemake/wizardoz.htm

L. Frank Baum
and the
Not-So-Wonderful Wizard of Oz



The Wonderful Wizard of Oz movie starring Judy Garland has become a
classic. The series of books that it is founded upon and the life of
the author however point very strongly to an occult and/or Luciferian
connection. Whatever Baum's actual beliefs may have been it is
obvious from a look at his work that he was full of evil ideas, and he
apparently made no pretense of being a Christian. His writings are
boldly Anti-christ as we may see even from the title of the his main
book, for Wonderful is one of the Lord Jesus Christ's proper names.
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and
the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be
called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father,
The Prince of Peace.

Psalm 68:1 Let God arise, let his enemies be scattered: let them also
that hate him flee before him. 2 As smoke is driven away, so drive
them away: as wax melteth before the fire, so let the wicked perish at
the presence of God.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The following information is taken from--
Now Is the Dawning of the New Age New World Order,
By Dennis Laurence Cuddy, Ph.D.

{Editorial comments in brackets by Steve Van Nattan.}

Masons are supposed to be engaged in a search for "light" (Ahura-Mazda
is the "spirit of light") with all of their "heart, mind, and
strength." In L. Frank Baum's The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, the tin man
wants a heart, the scarecrow a mind, and the lion wants strength or
courage (the master Mason uses the "strong grip of the lion's paw").
In the occult, the heart represents the female (or emotion), the mind
represents the male (or reason), and strength stands for action.

L. Frank Baum (possibly a Buddhist) was interested in Theosophy (which
he and his wife joined in 1896), and The Wonderful Wizard of Oz is on
page 36 of the Theosophical University Press 1989-90 catalogue, which
features "the principle source-writings of the modern Theosophical
movement and seeks to provide a...comprehensive presentation of the
ancient wisdom-tradition."

Concerning Theosophy, Baum pronounced, 'God is Nature, and Nature
God," and in the Aberdeen, South Dakota Saturday Pioneer (January 25,
1890) he wrote of "an eager longing to penetrate the secrets of Nature
-- an aspiration for knowledge we have thought is forbidden." the
Theosophists are "searchers for truth" and "admit the existence of God
-- not necessarily a personal God." He believed in the theory of
elementals (invisible, vapory beings) popularized in Madame
Blavatsky's Isis Unveiled (1877), and like the Rosicrucians' belief in
the combining of God and nature, and not unlike William Butler Yeats'
(Mason and Fabian) search for a new mysticism.

Baum believed in reincarnation, in karma, that there was no devil, and
"that man on earth was only one step on the ladder that passed through
many states of consciousness, through many universes, to a final state
of Enlightenment," according to Michael Patrick Hearn in his book, The
Annotated Wizard of Oz (1973). Hearn is also quoted in Children's
Literature Review (CLR), vol. 15, as saying "The author of The
Wonderful Wizard of Oz was...well read in the occult
sciences...Paraclesus, the sixteenth century Swiss alchemist and
physician, divided all spirits into four categories: Air, sylphs;
Water, nymphs or undines; Earth, gnomes; Fire, salamanders. These
could be expanded to the ancient idea of the four states of matter --
gas, liquid, solid, and energy....A quick glance at Baum's fairy tales
reveals that he wrote about each Paraclesian classification of
spirits. his sylphs are the 'winged fairies' (Lulea of Queen Zixie of
Is; Lurline of The Tin Woodman of Oz); the undines are the mermaids
(Aquareine of The Sea Fairies; the water fairies of the first chapter
of The Scarecrow of Oz); the gnomes are the Nomes (the Nome king of
The Life and Adventures of Santa Claus and Ozma of Oz); and the
salamanders are the fairies of energy (the Demon of Electricity of The
Master Key; the Lovely Lady of Light of Tik-Tok of Oz). Baum seems to
have created a highly sophisticated cosmology by interpreting this
theory of spirits of 'elementals' in terms of traditional fairies.
This is basically a religion of Nature. Modern science itself has its
origin in the occult sciences, in the search for the secrets of
nature.... It is not by mistake that the Shaggy Man in The Patchwork
Girl of Oz refers to Oz as being a fairyland 'where magic is a
science.' Both science and magic have the same ends." {1Timothy 6:20
O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane
and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:}

In many of Baum's works, there are revealing references. In The Master
Key, a boy summons up the "Demon of Electricity,' and A Kidnapped
Santa Claus refers to a "Demon of Repentance." The Tin Woodsman of Oz
has a giantess skilled in transformations, and in Dorothy and the
Wizard of Oz, there is a climb up "Pyramid Mountain." Baum was a
pacifist, and in Ozma of Oz, Dorothy is shipwrecked, and Princess Ozma
(close friend of Glinda, "the greatest of sorceresses") is threatened
by the attack from the Nome king, but he is powerless is the face of
her faith and love as she states, "No one has the right to destroy any
living creatures, however evil they may be, or to hurt them or make
them unhappy. I will not fight -- even to save my kingdom." {Editor's
note: This is not non-resistance of the Anababists. It is mind control
to break down self-defense.}

In the Saturday Pioneer (October 18, 1890), Baum wrote that "the
absurd and legendary devil is the enigma of the Church," and in the Oz
books, he said there were both "good" and "bad" demons and witches.
(Baum also wrote a play, The Uplift of Lucifer, or Raising Hell in
1915.) Remember when you read Revelation 4:3 ("...there was a rainbow
round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald"), that in life
Satan tries to imitate God. Could this be why Dorothy sings "Somewhere
Over the Rainbow," while the rainbow looks green in some Oz books
because green glasses are worn in the emerald City where the Wizard is
upon his throne? {Editor's note: 1John 2:18 Little children, it is the
last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now
are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.}

Women were extremely influential upon Baum. Osmond Beckwith points out
in CLR, vol. 15, that "in Oz, the principle boy always wears skirts,"
and "true love is love between girls." [Editor's note: Deuteronomy
22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man,
neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are
abomination unto the LORD thy God. This kind of gross portrayal can't
but make us wonder at what Baum really is conveying. It certainly
plays into the Sodomizing of our culture.] According to the Dictionary
of Literary Biography, vol. 22, "Baum complained of being grabbed by
spirits when in bed asleep," and his wife, Maud, and his
mother-in-law, the radical feminist Matilda Gage, had clairvoyants and
seances in their home. Mrs. Gage was also interested in astronomy and
palmistry. In 1890, because she felt the mainstream suffragists were
too conservative, she founded the Woman's National Liberal Union
dedicated to the seperation of church and state.

Baum emphasized the need for "harmony of heart and mind," which sounds
like today's New Agers' promotion of harmony through "right human
relations" and Ted Turner's "Better World Society" (which also
advocates population control). Dorothy in Oz is like the "Earth
Mother" of mythology (CLR, vol.15). There are "transformations" of
character, and Ozma's magical belt transports people to Oz, where the
Wizard has revealed that the"power" to accomplish important things
individuals want already resides within themselves. {Editor's note:
This is self-acutalization. Proverbs 18:2 A fool hath no delight in
understanding, but that his heart may discover itself.}

A similar message ("The Power Is Yours") is delivered today by Ted
Turner's (1990 Humanist of the Year) "Captain Planet" cartoon program
on television, where Gaia (the spirit of "Mother Earth") gives five
"planeteers," separately the powers of fire, wind, earth, water, and
heart (communicated telepathically). Captain Planet himself is
actually a crystal in human form, and the five planeteers use the
power of their occult magic rings, (with crystals) working together
(in harmony) to save "Mother Earth." An episode of ABC television's
MacGyver"...had a similar segment where the four elements were used
together to find "the eye of Osiris." Another two-part episode of
"MacGyver" involved using the Mummer's rhyme "Ring Around the Rosie"
in a search for the Holy Grail.

It is also possible that Baum chose the name "Oz" from the "O" in
Oscar Wilde (famous author {, Sodomite,}and Mason, born just two years
before Baum and died in the year 1900, when the Oz books began) and
from the "Z" in Zoroaster (founder of the an ancient religion in
Persia, now Iran). This is because in Dorothy and the Wizard of Oz,
the Wizard said that his father named him Oscar Zoroaster Phadrig
Isaac Norman Henkle Emmanuel Ambroise Diggs, which he shortened to
O.Z. (the remaining initials spell "pinhead"). The Wizard was bald,
and James Hastings has noted that Egyptian priests shaved their heads
to retain their "super-natural power." The Wizard in called "Oz the
Terrible" by those around him, and when one of them asks Dorothy, "Are
you really going to look upon the face of Oz the Terrible?" the
biblical symbolism seems clearly an attempt to portray Oz as Adonay (a
judgmental God), whom Masons also find "terrible" in contrast to their
view of Lucifer as the "Light of Illumination." {Editor's note:
Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring
forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being
interpreted is, God with us.}

A third possibility for Baum's selection of the word "Oz" is that
according to writer Jack Snow, Baum once wrote that he always enjoyed
stories that caused the reader to exclaim with "Ohs" and "Ahs" of
"wonder," thus the title The Wonderful Wizard of Oz. Another example
of Baum's word-play and letter-play are that according to Michael
Patrick Hearn, Ozma may be Oz and Maud's (Baum's wife) name
abbreviated, and the Rose Princess "Ozga" maybe Oz and Maud's maiden
name (Gage) abbreviated.

Baum dedicated The Wonderful Wizard of Oz (1900) to his wife, whom he
called "my good friend and comrade." When Baum and his wife traveled
in Europe in 1906, they also went on to Egypt, where Maud went up the
Great Pyramid. In Baum's books, the land of Oz contains four
triangular-shaped countries pointing inward (like a Masonic rose
croix, or Rosicrucian cross), and the name "Emerald" was possibly
selected because that was Baum's birthstone. However, the emerald is
also supposedly the stone of prophecy, and that leads to another
interpretation of the journey to the Emerald City as a journey to the
center of ourselves (to the center of "us," because the Emerald City
was the center of "Oz," which Baum pronounced as "was"), to "the god
within" where the Wizard said we would find the answer to what we are
looking for. This is like the New Agers' search for "the god within."

The land of Oz, with its four countries, is rectangular in shape like
the state of Kansas. In the city of Wichita in south central Kansas,
about ten years ago a pyramid was built at 3100 North Hillside Street.
It was sponsored by the philanthropist Olive Gravey, and designed by
Phillip Callahan, author of Ancient Mysteries, Modern Visions. New
Ager Buckminster Fuller (1969 Humanist of the Year) designed the domes
near the pyramid, where today children are sold the comic book, Knight
of the White Light. The first issue of the comic was called "The Tale
of the Kingdom of Light," as the author (Pamela Wunder Myers) says: "A
paradigm [refering to a cultural change] shift occurs when a 'better
way' becomes known and understood by the majority of people....Such a
shift is now occurring in our culture. John Sir Cosmic on his
adventures as he travels to other worlds to discover the New Order and
a better way."

In the first comic issue, Sir Cosmic searches for the Land of "Awes"
where he finds the Wonderful Wizard who describes the "Divine Science
of Nature" and gives a riddle to Merlin that says, "...there is a bit
of moon in the rose...." Merlin says, "that which was thought to be
sin is but error," so there should be no guilt or blame. The king
renames the Kingdom of White to the "Kingdom of Light" and says: "The
New Order is born...the Enlightenment of all and in the twinkling of
an eye the world became unexpectedly divine!" It should be remembered
here that the "New Order" is what Hitler called his Nazi regime.

To reach the Emerald City in Baum's land of Oz, one has to fallow the
yellow brick road which snakes its way through a blue countryside.
(the Masonic colors are blue gold and yellow. Golden snakes and Osiris
[sun god] are at the entrance of the "Temple of Supreme Council of the
Thirty-Third and Last Degree of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish
Rite" in Washington, D.C. where there are many serpents upon the walls
beneath a dark blue, starry domed ceiling.) On the road through the
land of Oz, Dorothy and her acquaintances come upon a meadow of red
poppies which cause them to sleep (Hearn says this is an allusion to
opium.)

Love and cooperation rule in Oz, and Masons seek light and harmony.
Before meeting the Wizard in Oz, the cowardly lion says he will do
what's necessary until the Wizard "promises to give us what we
desire"; in Masonic initiation, the individual is asked, "What do you
most desire?"

There is also a certain existentialist and gnostic (transcendental
"self") aspect to The Wonderful Wizard of Oz. The Wizard in Oz tells
Dorothy's companions that what they most desire is already within
themselves, which is similar to M.L. Franz's analysis in Carl Jung's
Man and His Symbols (1964) that "the problem of an individual's
imperfection can only be solved within himself." Hearn says: "Baum's
concern is with the presentation of reality and worth and of the power
of Self....In terms of the Rogerian [Carl Roger, 1946 Humanist of the
Year] method of treatment...a faith in the eventual cure of the
individual must be established within himself before any treatment may
begin." {Galatians 2:20, I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I
live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now
live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me,
and gave himself for me.}

Just as in The Wonderful Wizard of Oz individuals are told they'll
find the power to solve problems within themselves, the same is true
in the more recent book and movie Star Wars. Similarly, just as the
small, shaggy Toto helps Dorothy in Oz (where there are "Winkies"),
Chewbacca (a large, shaggy "Wookie") helps the good side in Star Wars.
"The Force" in Star Wars has a good and bad side, and in the motion
picture The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, the struggle between the "good"
white magic of the witches of the north and south and the "bad" black
magic of the wicked witches of the east and west occurs in Dorothy's
imagination.

What Masons say they desire most is "light," which is also very
important in the Oz books. In Tik-Tok of Oz, there is the palace of
the Queen of Light, and when Dorothy enters the Wizard's throne room
in The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, "in the center of the roof was a great
light, as bright as the sun." Another wizard in A New Wonderland has a
similar light, and these could be called "points of light." Regarding
the Oz books and the more recent Star Wars and other similar books,
remember that 2 Timothy 4:4 says, "And they shall turn away their ears
from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." {2Corinthians 11:14
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light.}

pp. 61-68, Now Is the Dawning of the New Age New World Order, by
Dennis Laurence Cuddy, Ph.D.; published by Hearthstone Publishing Ltd.










Steve
SteveZ176
2004-08-07 21:17:51 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 20:54:33 GMT, Terrell D Lewis
Post by Terrell D Lewis
Post by SteveZ176
On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 20:11:35 GMT, Terrell D Lewis
Post by Terrell D Lewis
Post by SteveZ176
Just to prove my point, let's talk about The Wizard of Oz. Is this
family classic just a family classic, or could it be classic
witchcraft?
Did it ever occur to you that L Frank Baum who wrote the wizard of oz
and other stories after several failures in business was encouraged to
write down the stories he made up for his own children simply was
writing children's stories?
Terrell
Terrell, are you ok?
The Wizard of Oz is rich in demonic Wicca, don't even tell me you have
fallen for the Wicca lies.
Steve
It would help if you knew something about the subject, I have been a
student of comparative religion my whole life, Wicca is incompatable
with CHristianity, but the Wizard of OZ has nothing to do with Wicca,
L Frank Baum was just a sickly kid who was terrified of the fairy
tales popular in his day and wanted to write something less scary for
children...he probably didn't know anything about wicca either.
Terrell
http://www.crossroad.to/News/oz.html
Brenda G. Kent
2004-08-07 21:41:34 UTC
Permalink
STeve said:

The Wizard of Oz is rich in demonic Wicca, don't even tell me you have
fallen for the Wicca lies.

Steve


Bren says: Steve...to say demonic Wicca is like saying Demonic
Christianity. Wicca has nothing to do with the "demons" you believe in.
Wizard of Oz....has nothing to do with Wicca.

The only thing that even remotely sounds slightly familiar is the use of
directions...Witch of the North..or East...etc.

Blessings
Bren
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on the back of an ass"


Old Japanese saying.

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BringerOfLight
2004-08-08 00:11:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by SteveZ176
http://www.fillthevoid.org/Entertainment/14-things.html
Witches and Satanists Use the Media to Recruit
. . .by David Benoit
<Fundie paranoid nonsense snipped>

No one gives a shit. Your propaganda doesn't work anymore, get used
to it, people won't swallow it apart from a hardcore minority of
inbred fuckwits who'll believe any old trash shoved down their throat.
If people are turning away from your religion and going into other
things like Wicca or other spiritual practices or religions, perhaps
you should investigate why your religions a flop and why ever-growing
numbers are turning away from it.
SteveZ176
2004-08-08 00:26:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by BringerOfLight
Post by SteveZ176
http://www.fillthevoid.org/Entertainment/14-things.html
Witches and Satanists Use the Media to Recruit
. . .by David Benoit
<Fundie paranoid nonsense snipped>
No one gives a shit. Your propaganda doesn't work anymore, get used
to it, people won't swallow it apart from a hardcore minority of
inbred fuckwits who'll believe any old trash shoved down their throat.
If people are turning away from your religion and going into other
things like Wicca or other spiritual practices or religions, perhaps
you should investigate why your religions a flop and why ever-growing
numbers are turning away from it.
Hell is real, and the witches hate David, I know why because he
exposes the truth, I knew I'd get the extreme Wiccans on this post.

Steve
Brenda G. Kent
2004-08-08 05:55:40 UTC
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Steve says:

Hell is real, and the witches hate David, I know why because he
exposes the truth, I knew I'd get the extreme Wiccans on this post.


Bren says: Witches hate David? like..all of them? or just some? This David
guy...is lying for one and slandering for another. What Extreme Wiccans?
what the heck is an Extreme Wiccan? one who snowboards their circle going
50km downhill?
I don't hate David. I don't have anyone.


Blessings
Bren
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"Knowledge without wisdom is like stacking books

on the back of an ass"


Old Japanese saying.

Come visit my webpage at http://www.victoria.tc.ca/~wt211


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unknown
2004-08-08 06:47:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Brenda G. Kent
I don't hate David. I don't have anyone.
Was this the Truth, a Typo or Fruedian slip ?

Malcolm
23ºS 30ºE
BringerOfLight
2004-08-08 14:59:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by SteveZ176
Post by BringerOfLight
Post by SteveZ176
http://www.fillthevoid.org/Entertainment/14-things.html
Witches and Satanists Use the Media to Recruit
. . .by David Benoit
<Fundie paranoid nonsense snipped>
No one gives a shit. Your propaganda doesn't work anymore, get used
to it, people won't swallow it apart from a hardcore minority of
inbred fuckwits who'll believe any old trash shoved down their throat.
If people are turning away from your religion and going into other
things like Wicca or other spiritual practices or religions, perhaps
you should investigate why your religions a flop and why ever-growing
numbers are turning away from it.
Hell is real, and the witches hate David, I know why because he
exposes the truth, I knew I'd get the extreme Wiccans on this post.
Steve
Extreme Wiccans???!!!! You're making assumptions based on no evidence
whatsoever (which doesn't surprise me, you're lot usually do). Ive
never stated anywhere that Im a Wiccan, and if you'd care to actually
peruse my past posts you would see that Im primarily an atheist. Hell
is real huh? Well go ahead and prove it to me. You're the one who
wants us to believe in your nonsense, go ahead and give us your proof!

Your problem is the typical fundie need of "demonising" other
practices or religions, its one of your favourite propaganda tricks,
and one of the most lowest I might add (and all because you can't
stand to see people who aren't under the control freakery of your
religion). And I suspect that the real reason why Benoit gets such a
hard time is because of his inane bigotry and bugger all evidence
except anecdotal against anything which doesn't come under the realm
of his "one true god" dogma, ah but why should that worry people like
you. If you and others like you had their way we'd still be living in
the fucking dark ages, where the churches were always right and
everyone else who dared go against them we're wrong. Is that what
people like yourself wanna go back to huh Steve? Thankfully the world
has moved on. I suggest that you people get with the program instead
of falling back on the old tried and tested method of "demonising"
others who you inherently disagree with.
BringerOfLight
2004-08-08 00:18:57 UTC
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Post by SteveZ176
http://www.fillthevoid.org/SpiritualWarfare/DavidBenoitreferencestovictory.html
References to Victory
. . . by David Benoit
<snips more bullshit>

David Benoit is a clown, rock albums graven images???!!!!!! Oh dear I
never knew that everytime I played Bruce Springsteen or a Megadeth
album I was bowing down before one of Satan's minions. Gimme a
fucking break. Its people like Benoit that make your religion a
laughing stock.
SteveZ176
2004-08-08 00:24:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by BringerOfLight
Post by SteveZ176
http://www.fillthevoid.org/SpiritualWarfare/DavidBenoitreferencestovictory.html
References to Victory
. . . by David Benoit
<snips more bullshit>
David Benoit is a clown, rock albums graven images???!!!!!! Oh dear I
never knew that everytime I played Bruce Springsteen or a Megadeth
album I was bowing down before one of Satan's minions. Gimme a
fucking break. Its people like Benoit that make your religion a
laughing stock.
Well I bet you won't be laughing in Hell.
BringerOfLight
2004-08-08 15:10:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by SteveZ176
Post by BringerOfLight
Post by SteveZ176
http://www.fillthevoid.org/SpiritualWarfare/DavidBenoitreferencestovictory.html
References to Victory
. . . by David Benoit
<snips more bullshit>
David Benoit is a clown, rock albums graven images???!!!!!! Oh dear I
never knew that everytime I played Bruce Springsteen or a Megadeth
album I was bowing down before one of Satan's minions. Gimme a
fucking break. Its people like Benoit that make your religion a
laughing stock.
Well I bet you won't be laughing in Hell.
Is that the best you can do? Of course when I go to your "hell" Steve,
I'll gladly keep you a front-row seat.
David Simpson
2004-08-08 13:19:52 UTC
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Post by SteveZ
http://www.angelfire.com/in/HisName/Biblical.html
The Judaising of the Christian Church.
There is only one problem with this, Steve. Jesus was a Jew.
--
Regards
David Simpson (Remove "farook" to reply)
(Unattached MM)
Bad manners should not be a capital crime ...
for a first offence.
Paraphrasing Robert Heinlein,
SteveZ176
2004-08-08 13:43:29 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 22:49:52 +0930, David Simpson
Post by David Simpson
Post by SteveZ
http://www.angelfire.com/in/HisName/Biblical.html
The Judaising of the Christian Church.
There is only one problem with this, Steve. Jesus was a Jew.
And so were the Satan serving Pharisees, Scribes and Saducees.

So what's your point.

Steve
SteveZ176
2004-08-08 15:08:03 UTC
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http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/freemson.htm


FREEMASONRY



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We include Freemasonry as a cult because it is a religion,
and it claims to honor the God of the Bible.
If you are a Freemason, don't bother to try to straighten us out.
We have massive proofs that you are in a pagan cult.
If you want to "demit," we would be happy to help you.


Material on this page is rated PG-18.



Weapon of the Maryland snipers:
Bushmaster .223


Reverse it:
Master Bush 322
Masonic ruler: "Worshipful Master"
Master <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/9946/mm.html> Mason
We are told that there are always 322 members in the Skull and Bones
<http://www.parascope.com/articles/0997/skullbones.htm> Club
at Yale, of which George W and his father are members

Albert Pike writes: "If our conceptions of God are those of the
ignorant,
narrow minded, and vindictive Israelite.we feel that it is an affront
and an
indignity to [God]" (Morals and Dogma page 223). Freemasonry hates
Jews.

In September 1977 an article appeared in the US magazine Esquire
regarding
the Skull and Bobes initiation. Antony Sutton explains and detailed
much of
the mumbo-jumbo associated with the Bonesmen. When a new member is
initiated
into the order "Tonight", he is told, "he will die to the world and be
born
again into The Order as he will thenceforth refer to it. The Order is
a
world unto itself in which he will have a new name and fourteen new
blood
brothers, also with new names."

Thus, we know what George W. Bush means when he says he is "born
again."

It has been my experience over the years to learn that virtually every
Freemason I have known has been a pretty decent good old boy. But, I
find
that all Freemasons have no zeal for anything, and they don't have a
clue
what they believe. The ones who claim to be Christians are obsessed
with not
being a hypocrite, and they are so mellow that you could not stir any
emotions from them for Jesus Christ. They are absolute disasters as
soul
winners. Bob Jones Sr. loaded his board at Bob Jones Unifarsity with
Freemasons, and they were dead beats. Some believers who knew Bob
Jones Sr.
believe that he was also a closet Freemason. The moral and spiritual
malaise
which has fallen over that university in these present days is the
direct
result of founding the school on sinking sand.

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ARTICLES:


THE MYSTIC
<http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/shrine.htm>
SHRINE-- The Shriners

<http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/rcmason.htm>
FREEMASONS
IN THE VATICAN
Will one of these pagans become the next Pope?

CRITIQUE
<http://www.angelfire.com/oh/jude3and4homepage/alpikecritique.html> OF
ALBERT PIKE'S TEACHING IN MORALS AND DOGMA


SECRET <http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/cooper.htm>
SOCIETIES AND THE NEW WORLD ORDER
By Milton William Cooper


LETTER <http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/msonltr.htm>
FROM
THE LODGE
See how the typical Freemason talks.


FREEMASON
<http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/handshak.htm>
HANDSHAKE
This man tried it, and it worked.


<http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/masnphlc.htm> PROOF
FREEMASONRY IS A PHALLIC CULT
Source- Supreme Pontiff Albert Pike in
Morals and Dogma
Text at right is from page 321 of Morals and Dogma.


MICROSOFT'S
<http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/masnpray.htm>
IDEA OF THE LORD'S PRAYER
LIST OF FAMOUS FREEMASONS
Their brag list


OUR <http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/famous.htm>
PERSONAL
"FAMOUS MASON" LIST


DEMIT <http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/masndmit.htm>
FORM
LETTER
For Freemasons who wish to leave the lodge


FAMOUS AND
<http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/demolay.htm>
INFAMOUS DEMOLAYS






<Loading Image...> ASK A FREEMASON WHAT
THIS
SYMBOL IS.
HE WILL DO A SPIEL ABOUT TUBAL CAIN, THE
INVENTOR OF MUSIC BLAH BLAH BLAH.
IN FACT, THIS IS THE MALE ORGANS,
WHICH ALBERT PIKE SAID IS THE GOD OF FREEMASONRY




WHAT DO FREEMASONS BELIEVE (According to them)?



Although Freemasonry recognizes each man is different, there are
certain
traits all Masons have in common:


Masons believe in the existence of God. No atheist can become a Mason.
Masons do not care what your individual faith is.


Masons include Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc.


Masons believe in responsibility, honor, morality, and ethics.


Masons believe the world should be a better place because they passed
through it.


Masons believe a person should strive to be a good citizen and that he
has a
moral duty to be true to the country in which he lives, and uphold and
maintain the principles of good government.


Masons see brotherhood as a form of wisdom, a sort of bond that holds
men
together. A private friendship that tells him he owes it to each of
his
fellow Masons to be just in his dealings.


Freemasonry is far from indifferent to religion. Without interfering
in
religious practice it expects each member to follow his own faith, and
to
place above all other duties his duty to God by whatever name He is
known.
Its moral teachings are acceptable to all religions.




A Masonic authority comments on the custom of lodges of displaying a
version
of the Bible on the lodge altar:



The Bible is not displayed on our altars now and has never been for
the
reason that Masons are required to believe its teachings. We know that
there
is a very large element of the Craft the world over who do not believe
the
teachings of the New Testament. We know that many individual Masons do
not
believe portions of the Old Testament. Hence, unless we are
perpetrating a
grim mockery, we do not employ the Bible as as a profession that we as
a
Society accept all its teachings and doctrines... Masonry as an
organized
society does not and has never exacted this belief of its members. It
can,
therefore, have no other place in our lodges than that of a symbol...
It is
a symbol of Truth, of Divine Truth, of all Truth, whether drawn from
some
book of Revelation or from the Great Book of Nature.




BILLY GRAHAM AND THE FREEMASONRY QUESTION:

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On Thursday 2nd of May 1996 Billy Graham and his wife Ruth received
the
Congressional Gold Medal, in the Rotunda of the US Capitol in
Washington,
D.C.
It is the highest honor which Congress can bestow upon a citizen. The
front
row
of the photograph below, consisted of powerful 33rd Degree Freemasons.
In the front row of the photo are: House Speaker Newt Gingrich, Vice
President Al Gore,
Senator Storm Thurmond, Bob Dole, Senator Jesse Helms and Franklin
Graham,
all of them are 33rd Degree Freemasons.

Why did those seating guests put 33rd drgree Freemasons in the front
row,
the
place of honor, if Billy Graham was not also worthy of that honor?



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LINKS:


AN EXCEPTIONAL COMPARISON BETWEEN
FREEMASONY'S DOCTRINES AND THE WORD OF GOD:
http://www.orthodox.net/ecumenism/free-masonry-vs-christianity.html
<http://www.orthodox.net/ecumenism/free-masonry-vs-christianity.html>


VERY GOOD DISCUSSION OF SKULL AND BONES:
http://www.bilderberg-mirror.org.uk/skulbone.htm
Second site:
<http://www.afrocentricnews.com/html/order_of_skull_and_bones.html>
http://www.afrocentricnews.com/html/order_of_skull_and_bones.html





<http://www.ctrl.org/essay1/ESB1.html>





SKULL AND BONES <http://www.ctrl.org/essay1/ESB1.html>
A history we may not ignore


GEORGE W. BUSH'S
<http://www.redrat.net/blackhole/56skullandbones.htm>
HERITAGE
OF GRAVE ROBBERS FOR THE BONESMEN
See Masonic Skull and Bones club tomb
on Yale campus at right.


BUSH FAMILY, BARONS OF
<http://www.ctrl.org/boodleboys/boddlesboys2.html>
OPIUM TRADE
This is the heritage of several 33rd degree Bushes







ROBERT SCHULER SPEAKS:
This fellow thinks he really hit pay dirt. What Schuler said is very
old
stuff and not a bit startling. But, if you want to hear Schuler saying
a
person can
be a Christian and a Freemason, here it is:
http://www.geocities.com/endtimedeception/robert2.htm


BIBLE BELIEVER EXAMINES FREEMASONRY:
http://cnview.com/on_line_resources/should_a_christian_become_a_mason.htm
<http://cnview.com/on_line_resources/should_a_christian_become_a_mason.htm>


Amazing and brazen statements of Masonry
http://grandlodgeaum.org/


Very long list of Famous Masons-- Much mockery of non-Masons.
http://www.masonicinfo.com/famous.htm
<http://www.masonicinfo.com/famous.htm>


Freemason attack on the local church --
Emphasis on the "Music Ministry"-- Real Audio
http://www.ephesians5-11.org/audio/sb-ga.ram


Rael and Freemasonry
http://www.geocities.com/endtimedeception/rael.htm
<http://www.geocities.com/endtimedeception/rael.htm>


Southern Baptist Pastor Stoney Shaw explains exactly
why he took a stand against Freemasonry.
Would he do it again? Absolutely.
http://www.ephesians5-11.org/audio/impdgos.ram

Militant Masonry
http://www.thelodgeroom.com/contents.html
<http://www.thelodgeroom.com/contents.html>

PLAIN JANE SITE, OBSCURE, BUT POWERFUL INFO:
http://www.redmoonrising.com/tm.htm
<http://www.redmoonrising.com/tm.htm>


Good page and study with graphical interest as well:
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Freemasonry.htm
<http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Freemasonry.htm>


EASTERN STAR: <http://www.easternstar.org/>
http://www.easternstar.org/

"Me thinketh he protesteth too much":
http://www.masonicinfo.com/famousnon.htm
<http://www.masonicinfo.com/famousnon.htm>

TOP TEN INTERNET SITES
EXPOSING FREEMASONRY

* David Icke <http://www.davidicke.com/>


* Chick <http://www.chick.com/> Publications


* Cutting Edge <http://www.cuttingedge.org/> Ministries


* Freemasonry Watch
<http://freemasonwatch.freepress-freespeech.com/>


* Ankerg Theolgical <http://www.ankerberg.com/> Institute


* Power of <http://www.texemarrs.com/> Prophesy


* Cephas <http://www.cephasministry.com/> Ministry


* Ephesians 5:11 Inc. <http://www.ephesians5-11.org/>


* Saints Alive In Jesus <http://www.saintsalive.com/>


* Holy <http://www.holywar.org/> War.org



BY FAR THE RICHEST AND MOST TERRIFYING EXPOSURE OF FREEMASONRY:
http://www.freemasonwatch.freepress-freespeech.com/index.html


"Mercy Baby, please" Listen to them try to explains these "Good Godly"
Masons:
http://www.masonicinfo.com/blksheep.htm
<http://www.masonicinfo.com/blksheep.htm>


WATCH THE FREEMASON SITE AS THEY SQUIRM :-)
These people talk like the First Amendment has been suspended.
They don't like the power in just our link list, let alone our
exposure of
their secret works.
http://www.masonicinfo.com/others_pg2.htm


We have learned that a Masonic Lodge changed their page, to which we
had
linked,
to a Porn page to make fools of us. Our readers caught it, and the
fools
are these
tender hearted men who claim they are saving the world from evil. Oh
Yes!!!
:-)


Supreme Pontiff of the Southeastern Jurisdiction of Freemasonry,
Albert
Pike, was earlier
Confederate Brigadier General Albert Pike. Read how he commended a
troop of
Indians
and encouraged them to scalp and kill all their prisoners--
This man, in his book, Morals and Dogma, taught that Jehovah is the
phallus,
Jesus is the vagina,
and the Holy Ghost is the sperm of the Godhead-- What a dog:
http://www.us-civilwar.com/acwd.html


HARRY S. TRUMAN
This site shows that a common sense and, otherwise, decent man, could
be
suckered into this paganism:
http://www.trumanlibrary.org/places/gv36.htm


LODGE ROOM EXPLAINED:
http://www.tvl1048.org/tour.html


ANOTHER SOURCE FOR THE PHALLIC ASPECT OF MASONRY:
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/masonph.htm


ONE BIBLE BELIEVER'S DISCOVERY AND ESCAPE FROM BLASPHEMY:
http://www.fatherheart.org/page16.html
<http://www.fatherheart.org/page16.html>


OFFICIAL POSITION ON MASONRY BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH:
This shows that they did get it right long ago, though John Paul II is
himself a Freemason:
http://www.staycatholic.com/freemasons.htm


INTERESTING REPORT ON A FAMOUS EVANGELIST:
Disclaimer any other works by the source:
http://www.despatch.cth.com.au/Misc/Graham3.htM


A "GOOD GODLY" FREEMSAON AT WORK:
http://www.criminalgovernment.com/docs/bilkem/bilk_as_slumlord.html
<http://www.criminalgovernment.com/docs/bilkem/bilk_as_slumlord.html>


FREEMASONRY AND THE NEW WORLD ORDER:
http://www.devvy.com/9610.html


FREEMASONRY IS FOUNDATIONAL TO WORLD POLITICS:
http://eairc.boom.ru/library/path_to_apocalypse/apocalypse_III-5.html


CUTTING EDGE ON MASONRY:
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1165.cfm
<http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1165.cfm>


THE MOST SHALLOW DISCUSSION OF THE BIBLE YOU WILL EVER READ:
http://tracingboard.com/bible.htm


CATHOLIC ANGER AGAINST FREEMASONRY IN THE VATICAN:
http://www.holygrail-church.fsnet.co.uk/Freemasonry.htm
Second Site:
http://www.trosch.org/bks/rvw/poncins.html
<http://www.trosch.org/bks/rvw/poncins.html>


PIKE AND RITUAL ABUSE:
http://www.ritualabusefree.org/Immorals%20and%20Dogma.htm
<http://www.ritualabusefree.org/Immorals%20and%20Dogma.htm>


PRINCE HALL WORSHIPFUL MASTER HAS A THANK YOU JAVA. READ IT ALL, AND
YOU
WILL REALIZE HE HAS NO IDEA WHO GOD IS. THIS IS THE BLACK VERSION OF
MASONRY
WHICH WAS INVENTED BY WHITE RACIST MASONS TO GET THE BLACKS OUT OF
THEIR
LODGE.
http://arkphagrandlodge.com/


EXCEPTIONAL PAGE OF MASONIC SYMBOLS:
http://www.mastermason.com/BrotherGene/graphics/default.htm
<http://www.mastermason.com/BrotherGene/graphics/default.htm>


POWERFUL SITE REGARDING JEHOVAH'S WITNESS CONNECTION TO MASONRY,
AND US PRESIDENTS:
<http://web.archive.org/web/20000816013327/http://www.fortunecity.com/roswel
l/daniken/443/uspresidentasmasons.htm>
http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/daniken/443/uspresidentasmasons.htm


HERE IS THE SILLY APRON WHICH COVERS THE GENITALS OF EVERY MASON:
http://www.gower.net/Community/stjohn/


THE SHRINERS ARE MUSLIMS:
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Bunker/7583/
"The word Islam comes from the name of the Mohammedan religion.
While our order does not serve as a religious sect, the name Islam
shows
the relationship of the order to the Near East where it was first
instituted."


GERMANY BASED SITE: Has Many Masonic sites AND a good list of those
exposing Freemasonry:
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/8343/hyplink.htm


ISLAM HAS TAKEN OVER A BAPTIST CHURCH VIA THE SHRINE:
http://www.ephesians5-11.org/apostasy.htm


BIBLE BELIEVER TELLS THE SOURCE OF FREEMASONRY:
http://www.fastboot.com/mystery_babylon.html
<http://www.fastboot.com/mystery_babylon.html>


HOW FREEMASONS DESTROY A ZEALOUS PASTOR:
<http://www.ephesians5-11.org/stoney.htm>
http://www.ephesians5-11.org/stoney.htm


NEW PAGE OF FAMOUS MASONS:
<http://www.religion-cults.com/Secret/Freemasonry/Freemasonry-2.htm#FAMOUS
MASONS>
http://www.religion-cults.com/Secret/Freemasonry/Freemasonry-2.htm#FAMOUS
MASONS
AND LARGER DISCUSSION:
<http://www.religion-cults.com/Secret/Freemasonry/Freemasonry.htm>
http://www.religion-cults.com/Secret/Freemasonry/Freemasonry.htm


IS BILL CLINTON A FREEMASON: http://www.demolay.org/whatis.htm
<http://www.demolay.org/whatis/index.shtml>


A VERY REVEALING SITE- <http://www.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/> Showing
Associations of Freemasonry with the Occult in Europe and the UK.


PROOF THAT FREEMASONRY IS SUB-CHRISTIAN AND REJECTS SALVATION:
http://www.grandlodge-nc.org/religion.html Update: They dropped this
page
to hide from me.


LIST OF FAMOUS FREEMASONS,
http://www.chrysalis.org/masonry/famous.htm
<http://web.archive.org/web/19990218163349/http://www.chrysalis.org/masonry/
famous.htm> and http://www.chrysalis.org/masonry/default.htm This
one is
the Masonic Home Page. Here is another of interest:
http://mendocinomasons.org/famous.htm and,
http://www2.linknet.net/masonic/famous.htm#other Update: They
dropped
this page to hide from me. It is a blessing to know we hit the
target.


HERE IS A GOOD LINK TO DEAL WITH THE ZIONIST CONNECTIONS TO
FREEMASONRY:
This one disappeared. These guys are really running from us. Why?


REPRINTS OF RECENTLY DISCOVERED WORKS OF ALBERT PIKE AND OTHER MASONS
regarding rituals and oaths of Freemasonry:
http://diamondsports.com:80/nalybi/NewFreemasonry.html
<http://web.archive.org/web/19970630012321/http://www.diamondsports.com/naly
bi/NewFreemasonry.html>
Update: They dropped this page to hide from me.


SHOWING THE SIMILARITY BETWEEN FREEMASONRY AND WITCHCRAFT:
<http://home.ptd.net/~magog/apopage2.htm>
http://home.ptd.net/~magog/apopage2.htm


EPHESIANS 5:11-- Seems like a good group, and they have some good
material,
but they won't give the identity of their people, so I have to assume
that
this means some ecumenism as with anti-abortion ministries:
http://www.ephesians5-11.org/whower.htm



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<Loading Image...> LINKS VIA THE ENEMY'S
HARD
WORK


Never have we been so well served by our enemies.
Freemasons compiled a large site "exposing" us weird Bible believers
and a number of ungodly people who hate Freemasonry.
So, we have passed the links on to you. The sarcastic and hateful
comments
of the editor of the site are left as-is to show how Masons hate Bible
believers.
Thanks to Freemasons out there who let the cat out of the bag.


CAUTION: We have to add a disclaimer to the following since several
are odd or heretical regarding the Truth of the Word of God.
We added them since they may have content of use to you.
At the left is Baphomet, the Satanic Masonic symbol of power.




Freemasons worship Satan:
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/symbology/1o5.htm


Acacia: http://www.crocker.com/~acacia/index.html



Larry Kunk, Former Freemason: http://www.ephesians5-11.org/



Duane Washum: http://www.ephesians5-11.org/ex_masons_for_jesus/



Cephas Ministries: http://members.aol.com/litetomasn/



Chick Publications-- The Curse of Baphomet:
<http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0093/0093_1.htm>
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0093/0093_1.htm



Cutting Edge: http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1084.cfm
Also: http://www.cuttingedge.org/free11.html



Jim Shaw (According to my sources, Shaw claimed he came into
Freemasonry
at the highest degree with Ronald Reagan and Billy Graham,
and was later snuffed in a mysterious manner.):
<http://www.ephesians5-11.org/document.htm>
http://www.ephesians5-11.org/document.htm



David Icke: http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles/rense.html



Bill Schnoebelen (Member of Occult version of Freemasonry):
http://www.withoneaccord.org/



Demonbusters: http://www.demonbuster.com/z6masons.html



Cosmic Christmas-- Birth of the Sun God:
http://www.demonbuster.com/z6masons.htm
<http://www.demonbuster.com/z6masons.html>


William A. BeVier - The president of an organization called 'Religion
Analysis Service, Inc.' of Robbinsdale, Minnesota, USA. a supposedly
"non-profit interdenominational ministry dedicated to combating false
teachings through the printing and distributing of literature covering
a
large number of cults." Their organization lists anti-Mason Ron
Carlson on
their 'Board of Reference'. Apparently the business of deceit is
profitable
for them as their <http://www.ras.org/> web site


Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz- The evangelical Roman Catholic Bishop of
Lincoln,
Nebraska who in 1996 threatened mass excommunication of parishioners
if they
didn't terminate membership in or support of Freemasonry.


Lora Burton- A "former Rainbow girl" supposedly for nine years, she
claims
that she suffered spiritual and psychological abuse from her
membership. She
has founded "Rooftop Ministries" to counter cults, especially
Freemasonry.


Daniel D. Carlen- An anti-Masonic Baptist who had a bi-vocational
ministry.
ephesians5-11- here <http://www.ephesians5-11.org/carlen.htm> .


Ron Carlson- Pastor Carlson's tape about the 'evils' of Freemasonry
achieved
widespread distribution in the late 1980s-early 1990s.


Anton Chaitkin- Writing as a correspondent for Lyndon LaRouche, Mr.
Chaitkin
is described by the LaRouche camp as a "historian and investigative
reporter". <http://www.etext.org/Politics/LaRouche/pikefall.txt> Here


'Pastor' Tony Ciarlante- Leader of another of the many online
'Ministries',
appears to be a strong supporter of Jack Harris. You can find his
website
here <http://www.angelfire.com/pa/faithandfire/> .


Dan Cormer- With his <http://www.voicenet.com/~gospel/> Evangelical
Outreach website.


John Daniel- <http://www.inforamp.net/~jwhitley/scarlet1.htm> here


William Deagle- One of the 'leading lights' of
<http://www.prophecyclub.com/> "The Prophecy Club"


Pierce Dodson- here <http://www.ephesians5-11.org/dodson.htm>


Ralph Epperson- here <http://www.syninfo.com/Epperson/>


Billy Evertsen- <http://members.tripod.com/~cprm/> web site


Mark A. Flynn- 'Watcher' web <http://www.mt.net/~watcher/new.html>
site


Tony Gosling- web site <http://www.tlio.demon.co.uk/masons.htm>


Anthony Grigor-Scott- <http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/> "Bible
Believers"
in Australia.


Larry Edw Hall- <http://www.luciferlink.org/> here


Walton Hannah- Not a 'current' anti-Mason, Hannah's name during the
1950s
and 1960s was well recognized for his publication of "Darkness
Visible: A
Revelation & Interpretation of Freemasonry".


Chuck Helton-
<http://www.ephesians5-11.org/ex_masons_for_jesus/helton.htm>
here


Michael A. Hoffman, II- <http://www.hoffman-info.com/> website


Mark E. Howerter- ' <http://www.otherside.net/intoler.htm> Intolerance
International


Stan Johnson- The founder and a director of "The Prophecy Club"
<http://www.prophecyclub.com/> .


Jim Keith- <http://www.illuminetpress.com/ca3txt.html> Iluminet Press


Stan and Elizabeth Madrak- Self-described as "Demon-Busters"--
<http://www.demonbuster.com/> their web site


Thomas C. McKenney- this page
<file:///G%7C/website/journal/resource/shaw.htm> devoted to Jim Shaw
to
discredit Masonry.


Rick Miesel- Baptist who has created a web-based 'Bible Discernment
Ministries' <http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/> .


Robert E. Miner- Mr. Miner has written: "I, too, was a Master Mason
who had
never followed the admonishment given to me when I received the Bible
in the
lodge: "Masonry admonishes each of its votaries to diligently search
the
Scriptures, for therein they will find the way to everlasting life."
Finally, due to the love and prayers of a friend, and the working of
the
Holy Spirit as I read the Word of God, I was set free from sin and
made
alive to Christ! This is no secret! And all the world should about it!
I
thank God for those who are sharing truth for the unbeliever to find
God's
intended relationship with Him in Jesus Christ, and for those who are
educating the Church about the things done in darkness so that the
Church
may lead others into the True Light. May God bless this ministry as it
seeks
to glorify Him and win others to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ."


Gordon "Jack" Mohr- A 'work' of his can be found here
<http://home.arkansasusa.com/dlackey/Talmudintro.htm>


Dr. Stanley Monteith- This individual has spent some 37 years
researching
the supposed covert Illuminati movements that he thinks have shaped
the
twentieth century. He claims to be one of the world's leading
authorities on
Professor Caroll Quigley - U.S. President Clinton's mentor. He claims
to
know some "covert motivation" of those working to create world
government
with special emphasis on the supposed "Rhodes Scholar" secret society
which
Cecil Rhodes created in 1891. He also claims to know true origin of
communism and socialism and ties several groups together including the
Federal Reserve System, Int'l. Finance, tax-exempt foundations, the
Jesuits,
the Lucus Trust, the Masons, the Skull and Bones & Theosophy Society,
Ancient Mystical Order of the Rosicrucians, the Council on Foreign
Relations, The Bildebergers, the Trilateral Commission, and more.


Michael Jerome Pardo- His 'Universalway <http://www.universalway.org/>
'
site has his essays.


Rev. David Pawson- During the early 1970's, tape copies of a series of
programs about cults, probably in 1969, received wide distribution.


Zander Raines-- Compuserve members will recognize Mr. Raines' posts by
his
closing signature of "MARANATHA". An employee of a state affiliate of
the
Christian Coalition


Raybert- An online 'buddy' of Greg Lambert, A Raybert post- "In my
research,
I have found that the masonic lodge is out to destroy all forms of
religion,
from within, and bring about a one world religion. Their religion.
This I do
not agree with. And I will do all I can to prevent it. If masonry
wants to
be a religion, that's fine with me. But I have seen much evidence that
masons are members of say, a Christian Church. Are preacher or elders
and
yet they admit that they are Witches. They say that the bible is not
God's
word. They say it is nothing but man's work. They say that what is
written
in it is not true. Only stories made up by men. Now, a person like
this,
that is a member and hierarchy of a Christian Church is teaching
others
religion. What exactly are they teaching them. Not Christianity! In my
opinion, the lodge has infiltrated all forms of religions and is
pushing the
occult, pagan mystery religions, which they are taught and brainwashed
into
believing in the masonic degree work and the masonic literature. You
can
pick up any book written by any masonic author and they compare the
ancient
mystery religions of Egypt with Christianity and tell the readers that
these
mystery religions are the true religion. They tell the reader that
these
pagan mystery religions had two worships. One for the masses and one
for the
initiates. The tell the readers that only the initiates learned the
true
religion. They tell the reader that masonry teaches the true religion.
Most
masonic authors admit that masonry is a religion and that it is the
true
religion. Anyway, you get the point. I am against anyone out to
destroy any
religion. And that, IMHO, is exactly what the lodge is trying to do.
Their
agenda. Now the masons will say I am lying and that I am nuts. The
problem
is that it is all out there for anyone to see if you know where to
look. All
it takes is the effort to look. Their worst enemy is their own masonic
authors. That is why, when I quote one of them, I give the book title
and
page. That way, anyone that wants the truth, can see for themselves."


Stoney Shaw- A pastor, this individual had a major problem with his
first
church - He claims he was attacked by 'witchcraft' of Freemasonry.
He's
found support from the <http://www.ephesians5-11.org/stoney.htm>
Ephesians5-11.org web site.


Harmon Taylor- This individual was one of the several Grand Chaplains
of the
Grand Lodge of New York a couple of decades ago and his Testimony
circulates
on the Internet.


Roger Thibault- A New World Order exposer, Politics, heretical
religion; you
can find his 'take' on his web site. Freemasonry is, in his mind, also
part
of the One World plan. His <http://www.yellowstone.com/> Yellowstone
web
site


John Whitley- Another of the conspiracy theorists, Whitley has for
some time
had a web site <http://www.inforamp.net/~jwhitley> featuring all
sorts of
things.


Charles W. (Charlie) Wiley- Given credit
<http://www.ephesians5-11.org/howwhy.htm> by Larry Kunk for having
started
the "Ministries to Masons" conference.


Matthew Williams- Another of the conspiracy theory group, this
individual is
from the United Kingdom where he ascribes all sorts of unusual demonic
symbology to the crest of the United Grand Lodge of England. On his
<http://www.truthseekers.freeserve.co.uk/> web site, you can also find
out
about those World War II bunkers in England!


John Yonge- Believes in 'pre-tribulationism', here is a quote-- "You
do
realize that Masons are all over the world using these sorts of
symbols, and
have been for centuries, and while they do in fact reflect the
anti-Christ
in ways, you cannot use such symbolism to identify the anti-Christ
because
so many use the same symbols. By the same sort of reasoning, I could
proclaim a rock musician to be the anti-Christ just because he has a
"666"
and a red dragon on his record cover. The Masonic training in Prince
Charles
might get him to doing things that are quite anti-Christian, but so
what?
The fellow down your street and around the corner a bit is also a
high-level
Mason participating in the same sort of occultic ceremonies and
training his
mind in the same way. I understand that the eagle on the dollar bill
has 32
feathers on one side and 33 on the other, where these would represent
the
highest degrees in Masonry. This sort of thing is wide-spread, so
ignore it
when it comes to identifying the anti-Christ." Read his thoughts
yourself
right here <http://www.neptune.on.ca/~jyonge/charles.htm> .



Steve
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FREEMASONRY



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We include Freemasonry as a cult because it is a religion,
and it claims to honor the God of the Bible.
If you are a Freemason, don't bother to try to straighten us out.
We have massive proofs that you are in a pagan cult.
If you want to "demit," we would be happy to help you.


Material on this page is rated PG-18.



Weapon of the Maryland snipers:
Bushmaster .223


Reverse it:
Master Bush 322
Masonic ruler: "Worshipful Master"
Master <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/9946/mm.html> Mason
We are told that there are always 322 members in the Skull and Bones
<http://www.parascope.com/articles/0997/skullbones.htm> Club
at Yale, of which George W and his father are members

Albert Pike writes: "If our conceptions of God are those of the
ignorant,
narrow minded, and vindictive Israelite.we feel that it is an affront
and an
indignity to [God]" (Morals and Dogma page 223). Freemasonry hates
Jews.

In September 1977 an article appeared in the US magazine Esquire
regarding
the Skull and Bobes initiation. Antony Sutton explains and detailed
much of
the mumbo-jumbo associated with the Bonesmen. When a new member is
initiated
into the order "Tonight", he is told, "he will die to the world and be
born
again into The Order as he will thenceforth refer to it. The Order is
a
world unto itself in which he will have a new name and fourteen new
blood
brothers, also with new names."

Thus, we know what George W. Bush means when he says he is "born
again."

It has been my experience over the years to learn that virtually every
Freemason I have known has been a pretty decent good old boy. But, I
find
that all Freemasons have no zeal for anything, and they don't have a
clue
what they believe. The ones who claim to be Christians are obsessed
with not
being a hypocrite, and they are so mellow that you could not stir any
emotions from them for Jesus Christ. They are absolute disasters as
soul
winners. Bob Jones Sr. loaded his board at Bob Jones Unifarsity with
Freemasons, and they were dead beats. Some believers who knew Bob
Jones Sr.
believe that he was also a closet Freemason. The moral and spiritual
malaise
which has fallen over that university in these present days is the
direct
result of founding the school on sinking sand.

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ARTICLES:


THE MYSTIC
<http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/shrine.htm>
SHRINE-- The Shriners

<http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/rcmason.htm>
FREEMASONS
IN THE VATICAN
Will one of these pagans become the next Pope?

CRITIQUE
<http://www.angelfire.com/oh/jude3and4homepage/alpikecritique.html> OF
ALBERT PIKE'S TEACHING IN MORALS AND DOGMA


SECRET <http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/cooper.htm>
SOCIETIES AND THE NEW WORLD ORDER
By Milton William Cooper


LETTER <http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/msonltr.htm>
FROM
THE LODGE
See how the typical Freemason talks.


FREEMASON
<http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/handshak.htm>
HANDSHAKE
This man tried it, and it worked.


<http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/masnphlc.htm> PROOF
FREEMASONRY IS A PHALLIC CULT
Source- Supreme Pontiff Albert Pike in
Morals and Dogma
Text at right is from page 321 of Morals and Dogma.


MICROSOFT'S
<http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/masnpray.htm>
IDEA OF THE LORD'S PRAYER
LIST OF FAMOUS FREEMASONS
Their brag list


OUR <http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/famous.htm>
PERSONAL
"FAMOUS MASON" LIST


DEMIT <http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/masndmit.htm>
FORM
LETTER
For Freemasons who wish to leave the lodge


FAMOUS AND
<http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/demolay.htm>
INFAMOUS DEMOLAYS






<http://www.blessedquietness.com/tubal.gif> ASK A FREEMASON WHAT
THIS
SYMBOL IS.
HE WILL DO A SPIEL ABOUT TUBAL CAIN, THE
INVENTOR OF MUSIC BLAH BLAH BLAH.
IN FACT, THIS IS THE MALE ORGANS,
WHICH ALBERT PIKE SAID IS THE GOD OF FREEMASONRY




WHAT DO FREEMASONS BELIEVE (According to them)?



Although Freemasonry recognizes each man is different, there are
certain
traits all Masons have in common:


Masons believe in the existence of God. No atheist can become a Mason.
Masons do not care what your individual faith is.


Masons include Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc.


Masons believe in responsibility, honor, morality, and ethics.


Masons believe the world should be a better place because they passed
through it.


Masons believe a person should strive to be a good citizen and that he
has a
moral duty to be true to the country in which he lives, and uphold and
maintain the principles of good government.


Masons see brotherhood as a form of wisdom, a sort of bond that holds
men
together. A private friendship that tells him he owes it to each of
his
fellow Masons to be just in his dealings.


Freemasonry is far from indifferent to religion. Without interfering
in
religious practice it expects each member to follow his own faith, and
to
place above all other duties his duty to God by whatever name He is
known.
Its moral teachings are acceptable to all religions.




A Masonic authority comments on the custom of lodges of displaying a
version
of the Bible on the lodge altar:



The Bible is not displayed on our altars now and has never been for
the
reason that Masons are required to believe its teachings. We know that
there
is a very large element of the Craft the world over who do not believe
the
teachings of the New Testament. We know that many individual Masons do
not
believe portions of the Old Testament. Hence, unless we are
perpetrating a
grim mockery, we do not employ the Bible as as a profession that we as
a
Society accept all its teachings and doctrines... Masonry as an
organized
society does not and has never exacted this belief of its members. It
can,
therefore, have no other place in our lodges than that of a symbol...
It is
a symbol of Truth, of Divine Truth, of all Truth, whether drawn from
some
book of Revelation or from the Great Book of Nature.




BILLY GRAHAM AND THE FREEMASONRY QUESTION:

<http://www.blessedquietness.com/grahammedal.jpg>
On Thursday 2nd of May 1996 Billy Graham and his wife Ruth received
the
Congressional Gold Medal, in the Rotunda of the US Capitol in
Washington,
D.C.
It is the highest honor which Congress can bestow upon a citizen. The
front
row
of the photograph below, consisted of powerful 33rd Degree Freemasons.
In the front row of the photo are: House Speaker Newt Gingrich, Vice
President Al Gore,
Senator Storm Thurmond, Bob Dole, Senator Jesse Helms and Franklin
Graham,
all of them are 33rd Degree Freemasons.

Why did those seating guests put 33rd drgree Freemasons in the front
row,
the
place of honor, if Billy Graham was not also worthy of that honor?



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LINKS:


AN EXCEPTIONAL COMPARISON BETWEEN
FREEMASONY'S DOCTRINES AND THE WORD OF GOD:
http://www.orthodox.net/ecumenism/free-masonry-vs-christianity.html
<http://www.orthodox.net/ecumenism/free-masonry-vs-christianity.html>


VERY GOOD DISCUSSION OF SKULL AND BONES:
http://www.bilderberg-mirror.org.uk/skulbone.htm
Second site:
<http://www.afrocentricnews.com/html/order_of_skull_and_bones.html>
http://www.afrocentricnews.com/html/order_of_skull_and_bones.html





<http://www.ctrl.org/essay1/ESB1.html>





SKULL AND BONES <http://www.ctrl.org/essay1/ESB1.html>
A history we may not ignore


GEORGE W. BUSH'S
<http://www.redrat.net/blackhole/56skullandbones.htm>
HERITAGE
OF GRAVE ROBBERS FOR THE BONESMEN
See Masonic Skull and Bones club tomb
on Yale campus at right.


BUSH FAMILY, BARONS OF
<http://www.ctrl.org/boodleboys/boddlesboys2.html>
OPIUM TRADE
This is the heritage of several 33rd degree Bushes







ROBERT SCHULER SPEAKS:
This fellow thinks he really hit pay dirt. What Schuler said is very
old
stuff and not a bit startling. But, if you want to hear Schuler saying
a
person can
be a Christian and a Freemason, here it is:
http://www.geocities.com/endtimedeception/robert2.htm


BIBLE BELIEVER EXAMINES FREEMASONRY:
http://cnview.com/on_line_resources/should_a_christian_become_a_mason.htm
<http://cnview.com/on_line_resources/should_a_christian_become_a_mason.htm>


Amazing and brazen statements of Masonry
http://grandlodgeaum.org/


Very long list of Famous Masons-- Much mockery of non-Masons.
http://www.masonicinfo.com/famous.htm
<http://www.masonicinfo.com/famous.htm>


Freemason attack on the local church --
Emphasis on the "Music Ministry"-- Real Audio
http://www.ephesians5-11.org/audio/sb-ga.ram


Rael and Freemasonry
http://www.geocities.com/endtimedeception/rael.htm
<http://www.geocities.com/endtimedeception/rael.htm>


Southern Baptist Pastor Stoney Shaw explains exactly
why he took a stand against Freemasonry.
Would he do it again? Absolutely.
http://www.ephesians5-11.org/audio/impdgos.ram

Militant Masonry
http://www.thelodgeroom.com/contents.html
<http://www.thelodgeroom.com/contents.html>

PLAIN JANE SITE, OBSCURE, BUT POWERFUL INFO:
http://www.redmoonrising.com/tm.htm
<http://www.redmoonrising.com/tm.htm>


Good page and study with graphical interest as well:
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Freemasonry.htm
<http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Freemasonry.htm>


EASTERN STAR: <http://www.easternstar.org/>
http://www.easternstar.org/

"Me thinketh he protesteth too much":
http://www.masonicinfo.com/famousnon.htm
<http://www.masonicinfo.com/famousnon.htm>

TOP TEN INTERNET SITES
EXPOSING FREEMASONRY

* David Icke <http://www.davidicke.com/>


* Chick <http://www.chick.com/> Publications


* Cutting Edge <http://www.cuttingedge.org/> Ministries


* Freemasonry Watch
<http://freemasonwatch.freepress-freespeech.com/>


* Ankerg Theolgical <http://www.ankerberg.com/> Institute


* Power of <http://www.texemarrs.com/> Prophesy


* Cephas <http://www.cephasministry.com/> Ministry


* Ephesians 5:11 Inc. <http://www.ephesians5-11.org/>


* Saints Alive In Jesus <http://www.saintsalive.com/>


* Holy <http://www.holywar.org/> War.org



BY FAR THE RICHEST AND MOST TERRIFYING EXPOSURE OF FREEMASONRY:
http://www.freemasonwatch.freepress-freespeech.com/index.html


"Mercy Baby, please" Listen to them try to explains these "Good Godly"
Masons:
http://www.masonicinfo.com/blksheep.htm
<http://www.masonicinfo.com/blksheep.htm>


WATCH THE FREEMASON SITE AS THEY SQUIRM :-)
These people talk like the First Amendment has been suspended.
They don't like the power in just our link list, let alone our
exposure of
their secret works.
http://www.masonicinfo.com/others_pg2.htm


We have learned that a Masonic Lodge changed their page, to which we
had
linked,
to a Porn page to make fools of us. Our readers caught it, and the
fools
are these
tender hearted men who claim they are saving the world from evil. Oh
Yes!!!
:-)


Supreme Pontiff of the Southeastern Jurisdiction of Freemasonry,
Albert
Pike, was earlier
Confederate Brigadier General Albert Pike. Read how he commended a
troop of
Indians
and encouraged them to scalp and kill all their prisoners--
This man, in his book, Morals and Dogma, taught that Jehovah is the
phallus,
Jesus is the vagina,
and the Holy Ghost is the sperm of the Godhead-- What a dog:
http://www.us-civilwar.com/acwd.html


HARRY S. TRUMAN
This site shows that a common sense and, otherwise, decent man, could
be
suckered into this paganism:
http://www.trumanlibrary.org/places/gv36.htm


LODGE ROOM EXPLAINED:
http://www.tvl1048.org/tour.html


ANOTHER SOURCE FOR THE PHALLIC ASPECT OF MASONRY:
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/masonph.htm


ONE BIBLE BELIEVER'S DISCOVERY AND ESCAPE FROM BLASPHEMY:
http://www.fatherheart.org/page16.html
<http://www.fatherheart.org/page16.html>


OFFICIAL POSITION ON MASONRY BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH:
This shows that they did get it right long ago, though John Paul II is
himself a Freemason:
http://www.staycatholic.com/freemasons.htm


INTERESTING REPORT ON A FAMOUS EVANGELIST:
Disclaimer any other works by the source:
http://www.despatch.cth.com.au/Misc/Graham3.htM


A "GOOD GODLY" FREEMSAON AT WORK:
http://www.criminalgovernment.com/docs/bilkem/bilk_as_slumlord.html
<http://www.criminalgovernment.com/docs/bilkem/bilk_as_slumlord.html>


FREEMASONRY AND THE NEW WORLD ORDER:
http://www.devvy.com/9610.html


FREEMASONRY IS FOUNDATIONAL TO WORLD POLITICS:
http://eairc.boom.ru/library/path_to_apocalypse/apocalypse_III-5.html


CUTTING EDGE ON MASONRY:
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1165.cfm
<http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1165.cfm>


THE MOST SHALLOW DISCUSSION OF THE BIBLE YOU WILL EVER READ:
http://tracingboard.com/bible.htm


CATHOLIC ANGER AGAINST FREEMASONRY IN THE VATICAN:
http://www.holygrail-church.fsnet.co.uk/Freemasonry.htm
Second Site:
http://www.trosch.org/bks/rvw/poncins.html
<http://www.trosch.org/bks/rvw/poncins.html>


PIKE AND RITUAL ABUSE:
http://www.ritualabusefree.org/Immorals%20and%20Dogma.htm
<http://www.ritualabusefree.org/Immorals%20and%20Dogma.htm>


PRINCE HALL WORSHIPFUL MASTER HAS A THANK YOU JAVA. READ IT ALL, AND
YOU
WILL REALIZE HE HAS NO IDEA WHO GOD IS. THIS IS THE BLACK VERSION OF
MASONRY
WHICH WAS INVENTED BY WHITE RACIST MASONS TO GET THE BLACKS OUT OF
THEIR
LODGE.
http://arkphagrandlodge.com/


EXCEPTIONAL PAGE OF MASONIC SYMBOLS:
http://www.mastermason.com/BrotherGene/graphics/default.htm
<http://www.mastermason.com/BrotherGene/graphics/default.htm>


POWERFUL SITE REGARDING JEHOVAH'S WITNESS CONNECTION TO MASONRY,
AND US PRESIDENTS:
<http://web.archive.org/web/20000816013327/http://www.fortunecity.com/roswel
l/daniken/443/uspresidentasmasons.htm>
http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/daniken/443/uspresidentasmasons.htm


HERE IS THE SILLY APRON WHICH COVERS THE GENITALS OF EVERY MASON:
http://www.gower.net/Community/stjohn/


THE SHRINERS ARE MUSLIMS:
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Bunker/7583/
"The word Islam comes from the name of the Mohammedan religion.
While our order does not serve as a religious sect, the name Islam
shows
the relationship of the order to the Near East where it was first
instituted."


GERMANY BASED SITE: Has Many Masonic sites AND a good list of those
exposing Freemasonry:
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/8343/hyplink.htm


ISLAM HAS TAKEN OVER A BAPTIST CHURCH VIA THE SHRINE:
http://www.ephesians5-11.org/apostasy.htm


BIBLE BELIEVER TELLS THE SOURCE OF FREEMASONRY:
http://www.fastboot.com/mystery_babylon.html
<http://www.fastboot.com/mystery_babylon.html>


HOW FREEMASONS DESTROY A ZEALOUS PASTOR:
<http://www.ephesians5-11.org/stoney.htm>
http://www.ephesians5-11.org/stoney.htm


NEW PAGE OF FAMOUS MASONS:
<http://www.religion-cults.com/Secret/Freemasonry/Freemasonry-2.htm#FAMOUS
MASONS>
http://www.religion-cults.com/Secret/Freemasonry/Freemasonry-2.htm#FAMOUS
MASONS
AND LARGER DISCUSSION:
<http://www.religion-cults.com/Secret/Freemasonry/Freemasonry.htm>
http://www.religion-cults.com/Secret/Freemasonry/Freemasonry.htm


IS BILL CLINTON A FREEMASON: http://www.demolay.org/whatis.htm
<http://www.demolay.org/whatis/index.shtml>


A VERY REVEALING SITE- <http://www.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/> Showing
Associations of Freemasonry with the Occult in Europe and the UK.


PROOF THAT FREEMASONRY IS SUB-CHRISTIAN AND REJECTS SALVATION:
http://www.grandlodge-nc.org/religion.html Update: They dropped this
page
to hide from me.


LIST OF FAMOUS FREEMASONS,
http://www.chrysalis.org/masonry/famous.htm
<http://web.archive.org/web/19990218163349/http://www.chrysalis.org/masonry/
famous.htm> and http://www.chrysalis.org/masonry/default.htm This
one is
the Masonic Home Page. Here is another of interest:
http://mendocinomasons.org/famous.htm and,
http://www2.linknet.net/masonic/famous.htm#other Update: They
dropped
this page to hide from me. It is a blessing to know we hit the
target.


HERE IS A GOOD LINK TO DEAL WITH THE ZIONIST CONNECTIONS TO
FREEMASONRY:
This one disappeared. These guys are really running from us. Why?


REPRINTS OF RECENTLY DISCOVERED WORKS OF ALBERT PIKE AND OTHER MASONS
regarding rituals and oaths of Freemasonry:
http://diamondsports.com:80/nalybi/NewFreemasonry.html
<http://web.archive.org/web/19970630012321/http://www.diamondsports.com/naly
bi/NewFreemasonry.html>
Update: They dropped this page to hide from me.


SHOWING THE SIMILARITY BETWEEN FREEMASONRY AND WITCHCRAFT:
<http://home.ptd.net/~magog/apopage2.htm>
http://home.ptd.net/~magog/apopage2.htm


EPHESIANS 5:11-- Seems like a good group, and they have some good
material,
but they won't give the identity of their people, so I have to assume
that
this means some ecumenism as with anti-abortion ministries:
http://www.ephesians5-11.org/whower.htm



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<http://www.blessedquietness.com/goathead.gif> LINKS VIA THE ENEMY'S
HARD
WORK


Never have we been so well served by our enemies.
Freemasons compiled a large site "exposing" us weird Bible believers
and a number of ungodly people who hate Freemasonry.
So, we have passed the links on to you. The sarcastic and hateful
comments
of the editor of the site are left as-is to show how Masons hate Bible
believers.
Thanks to Freemasons out there who let the cat out of the bag.


CAUTION: We have to add a disclaimer to the following since several
are odd or heretical regarding the Truth of the Word of God.
We added them since they may have content of use to you.
At the left is Baphomet, the Satanic Masonic symbol of power.




Freemasons worship Satan:
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/symbology/1o5.htm


Acacia: http://www.crocker.com/~acacia/index.html



Larry Kunk, Former Freemason: http://www.ephesians5-11.org/



Duane Washum: http://www.ephesians5-11.org/ex_masons_for_jesus/



Cephas Ministries: http://members.aol.com/litetomasn/



Chick Publications-- The Curse of Baphomet:
<http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0093/0093_1.htm>
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0093/0093_1.htm



Cutting Edge: http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1084.cfm
Also: http://www.cuttingedge.org/free11.html



Jim Shaw (According to my sources, Shaw claimed he came into
Freemasonry
at the highest degree with Ronald Reagan and Billy Graham,
and was later snuffed in a mysterious manner.):
<http://www.ephesians5-11.org/document.htm>
http://www.ephesians5-11.org/document.htm



David Icke: http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles/rense.html



Bill Schnoebelen (Member of Occult version of Freemasonry):
http://www.withoneaccord.org/



Demonbusters: http://www.demonbuster.com/z6masons.html



Cosmic Christmas-- Birth of the Sun God:
http://www.demonbuster.com/z6masons.htm
<http://www.demonbuster.com/z6masons.html>


William A. BeVier - The president of an organization called 'Religion
Analysis Service, Inc.' of Robbinsdale, Minnesota, USA. a supposedly
"non-profit interdenominational ministry dedicated to combating false
teachings through the printing and distributing of literature covering
a
large number of cults." Their organization lists anti-Mason Ron
Carlson on
their 'Board of Reference'. Apparently the business of deceit is
profitable
for them as their <http://www.ras.org/> web site


Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz- The evangelical Roman Catholic Bishop of
Lincoln,
Nebraska who in 1996 threatened mass excommunication of parishioners
if they
didn't terminate membership in or support of Freemasonry.


Lora Burton- A "former Rainbow girl" supposedly for nine years, she
claims
that she suffered spiritual and psychological abuse from her
membership. She
has founded "Rooftop Ministries" to counter cults, especially
Freemasonry.


Daniel D. Carlen- An anti-Masonic Baptist who had a bi-vocational
ministry.
ephesians5-11- here <http://www.ephesians5-11.org/carlen.htm> .


Ron Carlson- Pastor Carlson's tape about the 'evils' of Freemasonry
achieved
widespread distribution in the late 1980s-early 1990s.


Anton Chaitkin- Writing as a correspondent for Lyndon LaRouche, Mr.
Chaitkin
is described by the LaRouche camp as a "historian and investigative
reporter". <http://www.etext.org/Politics/LaRouche/pikefall.txt> Here


'Pastor' Tony Ciarlante- Leader of another of the many online
'Ministries',
appears to be a strong supporter of Jack Harris. You can find his
website
here <http://www.angelfire.com/pa/faithandfire/> .


Dan Cormer- With his <http://www.voicenet.com/~gospel/> Evangelical
Outreach website.


John Daniel- <http://www.inforamp.net/~jwhitley/scarlet1.htm> here


William Deagle- One of the 'leading lights' of
<http://www.prophecyclub.com/> "The Prophecy Club"


Pierce Dodson- here <http://www.ephesians5-11.org/dodson.htm>


Ralph Epperson- here <http://www.syninfo.com/Epperson/>


Billy Evertsen- <http://members.tripod.com/~cprm/> web site


Mark A. Flynn- 'Watcher' web <http://www.mt.net/~watcher/new.html>
site


Tony Gosling- web site <http://www.tlio.demon.co.uk/masons.htm>


Anthony Grigor-Scott- <http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/> "Bible
Believers"
in Australia.


Larry Edw Hall- <http://www.luciferlink.org/> here


Walton Hannah- Not a 'current' anti-Mason, Hannah's name during the
1950s
and 1960s was well recognized for his publication of "Darkness
Visible: A
Revelation & Interpretation of Freemasonry".


Chuck Helton-
<http://www.ephesians5-11.org/ex_masons_for_jesus/helton.htm>
here


Michael A. Hoffman, II- <http://www.hoffman-info.com/> website


Mark E. Howerter- ' <http://www.otherside.net/intoler.htm> Intolerance
International


Stan Johnson- The founder and a director of "The Prophecy Club"
<http://www.prophecyclub.com/> .


Jim Keith- <http://www.illuminetpress.com/ca3txt.html> Iluminet Press


Stan and Elizabeth Madrak- Self-described as "Demon-Busters"--
<http://www.demonbuster.com/> their web site


Thomas C. McKenney- this page
<file:///G%7C/website/journal/resource/shaw.htm> devoted to Jim Shaw
to
discredit Masonry.


Rick Miesel- Baptist who has created a web-based 'Bible Discernment
Ministries' <http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/> .


Robert E. Miner- Mr. Miner has written: "I, too, was a Master Mason
who had
never followed the admonishment given to me when I received the Bible
in the
lodge: "Masonry admonishes each of its votaries to diligently search
the
Scriptures, for therein they will find the way to everlasting life."
Finally, due to the love and prayers of a friend, and the working of
the
Holy Spirit as I read the Word of God, I was set free from sin and
made
alive to Christ! This is no secret! And all the world should about it!
I
thank God for those who are sharing truth for the unbeliever to find
God's
intended relationship with Him in Jesus Christ, and for those who are
educating the Church about the things done in darkness so that the
Church
may lead others into the True Light. May God bless this ministry as it
seeks
to glorify Him and win others to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ."


Gordon "Jack" Mohr- A 'work' of his can be found here
<http://home.arkansasusa.com/dlackey/Talmudintro.htm>


Dr. Stanley Monteith- This individual has spent some 37 years
researching
the supposed covert Illuminati movements that he thinks have shaped
the
twentieth century. He claims to be one of the world's leading
authorities on
Professor Caroll Quigley - U.S. President Clinton's mentor. He claims
to
know some "covert motivation" of those working to create world
government
with special emphasis on the supposed "Rhodes Scholar" secret society
which
Cecil Rhodes created in 1891. He also claims to know true origin of
communism and socialism and ties several groups together including the
Federal Reserve System, Int'l. Finance, tax-exempt foundations, the
Jesuits,
the Lucus Trust, the Masons, the Skull and Bones & Theosophy Society,
Ancient Mystical Order of the Rosicrucians, the Council on Foreign
Relations, The Bildebergers, the Trilateral Commission, and more.


Michael Jerome Pardo- His 'Universalway <http://www.universalway.org/>
'
site has his essays.


Rev. David Pawson- During the early 1970's, tape copies of a series of
programs about cults, probably in 1969, received wide distribution.


Zander Raines-- Compuserve members will recognize Mr. Raines' posts by
his
closing signature of "MARANATHA". An employee of a state affiliate of
the
Christian Coalition


Raybert- An online 'buddy' of Greg Lambert, A Raybert post- "In my
research,
I have found that the masonic lodge is out to destroy all forms of
religion,
from within, and bring about a one world religion. Their religion.
This I do
not agree with. And I will do all I can to prevent it. If masonry
wants to
be a religion, that's fine with me. But I have seen much evidence that
masons are members of say, a Christian Church. Are preacher or elders
and
yet they admit that they are Witches. They say that the bible is not
God's
word. They say it is nothing but man's work. They say that what is
written
in it is not true. Only stories made up by men. Now, a person like
this,
that is a member and hierarchy of a Christian Church is teaching
others
religion. What exactly are they teaching them. Not Christianity! In my
opinion, the lodge has infiltrated all forms of religions and is
pushing the
occult, pagan mystery religions, which they are taught and brainwashed
into
believing in the masonic degree work and the masonic literature. You
can
pick up any book written by any masonic author and they compare the
ancient
mystery religions of Egypt with Christianity and tell the readers that
these
mystery religions are the true religion. They tell the reader that
these
pagan mystery religions had two worships. One for the masses and one
for the
initiates. The tell the readers that only the initiates learned the
true
religion. They tell the reader that masonry teaches the true religion.
Most
masonic authors admit that masonry is a religion and that it is the
true
religion. Anyway, you get the point. I am against anyone out to
destroy any
religion. And that, IMHO, is exactly what the lodge is trying to do.
Their
agenda. Now the masons will say I am lying and that I am nuts. The
problem
is that it is all out there for anyone to see if you know where to
look. All
it takes is the effort to look. Their worst enemy is their own masonic
authors. That is why, when I quote one of them, I give the book title
and
page. That way, anyone that wants the truth, can see for themselves."


Stoney Shaw- A pastor, this individual had a major problem with his
first
church - He claims he was attacked by 'witchcraft' of Freemasonry.
He's
found support from the <http://www.ephesians5-11.org/stoney.htm>
Ephesians5-11.org web site.


Harmon Taylor- This individual was one of the several Grand Chaplains
of the
Grand Lodge of New York a couple of decades ago and his Testimony
circulates
on the Internet.


Roger Thibault- A New World Order exposer, Politics, heretical
religion; you
can find his 'take' on his web site. Freemasonry is, in his mind, also
part
of the One World plan. His <http://www.yellowstone.com/> Yellowstone
web
site


John Whitley- Another of the conspiracy theorists, Whitley has for
some time
had a web site <http://www.inforamp.net/~jwhitley> featuring all
sorts of
things.


Charles W. (Charlie) Wiley- Given credit
<http://www.ephesians5-11.org/howwhy.htm> by Larry Kunk for having
started
the "Ministries to Masons" conference.


Matthew Williams- Another of the conspiracy theory group, this
individual is
from the United Kingdom where he ascribes all sorts of unusual demonic
symbology to the crest of the United Grand Lodge of England. On his
<http://www.truthseekers.freeserve.co.uk/> web site, you can also find
out
about those World War II bunkers in England!


John Yonge- Believes in 'pre-tribulationism', here is a quote-- "You
do
realize that Masons are all over the world using these sorts of
symbols, and
have been for centuries, and while they do in fact reflect the
anti-Christ
in ways, you cannot use such symbolism to identify the anti-Christ
because
so many use the same symbols. By the same sort of reasoning, I could
proclaim a rock musician to be the anti-Christ just because he has a
"666"
and a red dragon on his record cover. The Masonic training in Prince
Charles
might get him to doing things that are quite anti-Christian, but so
what?
The fellow down your street and around the corner a bit is also a
high-level
Mason participating in the same sort of occultic ceremonies and
training his
mind in the same way. I understand that the eagle on the dollar bill
has 32
feathers on one side and 33 on the other, where these would represent
the
highest degrees in Masonry. This sort of thing is wide-spread, so
ignore it
when it comes to identifying the anti-Christ." Read his thoughts
yourself
right here <http://www.neptune.on.ca/~jyonge/charles.htm> .



Steve
Terrell D Lewis
2004-08-08 15:11:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by SteveZ176
On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 22:49:52 +0930, David Simpson
Post by David Simpson
Post by SteveZ
http://www.angelfire.com/in/HisName/Biblical.html
The Judaising of the Christian Church.
There is only one problem with this, Steve. Jesus was a Jew.
And so were the Satan serving Pharisees, Scribes and Saducees.
So what's your point.
Steve
And the first Christians, many of the first converts were Pharisees.


Terrell
SteveZ176
2004-08-08 15:59:02 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 15:11:21 GMT, Terrell D Lewis
Post by Terrell D Lewis
Post by SteveZ176
On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 22:49:52 +0930, David Simpson
Post by David Simpson
Post by SteveZ
http://www.angelfire.com/in/HisName/Biblical.html
The Judaising of the Christian Church.
There is only one problem with this, Steve. Jesus was a Jew.
And so were the Satan serving Pharisees, Scribes and Saducees.
So what's your point.
Steve
And the first Christians, many of the first converts were Pharisees.
Terrell
So? And many more converts were Greek back then.


http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/zionism.htm

HEBREW ROOTS MOVEMENT

<Loading Image...> Turn your back on
Mount
Calvary, Grab your feces paddle,
Required by Moses' Law,
And, run to Mount Sinai.


No heresy, since Peter left his
pork chops to pamper Judaizers, promises to better captivate all of
Christendom and pave the way
for Antichrist--
Like this neo-Pharisaical cult.


Graphic by Mary Van Nattan






The authors of the following articles have been threatened with
litigation,
attempts at FBI baiting,
virus attacks, and Hate Crimes investigations.



Psalm 106:47 Save us, O LORD our God, and gather us from among the
heathen,
to give thanks unto thy holy name, and to triumph in thy praise.


NO Copyright on the following. Copy and distribute.






INTRODUCTION:




There is a rather new cultic phenomena taking place and growing
rapidly.
This is the Yahweh Movement, of what has been called the Hebrew Roots
Camp.
This is promoted by sub-christian gurus who are completely loonie on
one
extreme, while men like Marv Rosenthal promote the thing on the more
rational side by promoting Zionism and Israeli statism in the Lord's
Church.
As in all cults, degrees of heresy exist, so all parties in this cult
will
claim they are different than the others and beg to be declared
Kosher.
Being a pork chop lover, I would not be the best one to declare anyone
Kosher.


I want to make it very clear that this page is NOT about bashing Jews.
Those Jews who accept Christ as their Savior, WITHOUT adding cultic
trappings, are received into the promises of the Church like anyone
else.


The problem is, a whole discipline of fiction has been wafted in over
the
Lord's Church by converted Jews at prophecy conferences and by cultic
"Jesus
Made me Kosher" types who claim a special place in the Lord's Church
because
of their Hebrew heritage. This is heresy.


Some alleged saints, who figure this cult out, later move on to hate
Jews.
How utterly stupid. Nor will we allow any jerk water latter day
scholar to
accuse us of not loving the Jewish people. This is a neat ploy used
by
degraded Judeo-Gentile apologists who realize they are on quick sand
theologically. They attack the true believer who sees and exposes
their
Mother Goose doctrines. To them we say, "Repent, or you too shall
perish."



We are not hearing from 95% of the Fundamental Baptists on this topic.
Fundamental pastors are too busy hyping their bus ministry and
shearing the
sheep as frequently as possible. The Bible Church movement is
inebriated by
the prophecy conference speakers like Marv Rosenthal, and they don't
notice
this heresy-- "Just tell me when the next Passover demonstration is."


The Pentecostal and Charismatic Movement eat this heresy up. Why?
Like
tongues et al, this heresy feels good. FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL GOOD! Play
games
with God's Name and the precious Name of Jesus Christ. It gives the
local
church a new and trendy hype to keep the groupies happy. "Blow the
shofar,"
says the guru.


These people keep the feasts, keep the Passover, and make a mongrel
cross
between Law and Grace. But, they are very inconsistent. They don't
kill the
Passover, and they don't kill the daily sacrifice. I like to ask them
where
their feces paddle is. I have yet to find a Hebrew Roots junky who
carries a
feces paddle as Moses commanded the Jews.


Read the following carefully. Are you one of those who has made a
cult of
Jewishness in the Lord's Church?

Philippians 3:2
Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.



ARTICLES:

<http://www.quicksitemaker.com/members/disciples/custom.html> PLAY
WITH
HEBREW ROOTS,
AND HERE IS WHERE DEVILS COULD TAKE YOU

THE <http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/sanballat.htm>
FOUNDER
OF THE HEBREW ROOTS MOVEMENT-- SANBALLAT

RON WYATT, SDA
<http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/nccg.htm>
ROOTS, AND ELLEN G. WHITE
Ron's research in the Middle East is a lot of
bunk because he was lead to it by
Ellen G. White.

THE LOST TRIBE
<http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/dan.htm>
OF DAN DECEPTION

THE <http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/hrm1wrld.htm>
MESSIANIC ONE WORLD RELIGION--
By Vicky Dillen
This article coincides with an E-Mail blitz against
all of us on the narrow way who reject this
Zionist Plot Supremo.

<http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/attack.htm> THE
ATTACK--
This is a discussion of the fetish
nonsense of giving God all sorts of Hebrew
names and titles. By Tom Lamb

THE HEBREW
<http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/roots.htm>
ROOTS MOVEMENT--
By Tim and Barb Aho-- ***@msn.com

THE <http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/shakhina.htm>
SHEKHINA-- By Tim and Barb Aho

To Embrace
<http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/embrace.htm>
Hebrew Roots: Part I - IX- Ed. This is a
work which exists first here. No one I know of
has treated this subject as well and completely.
By Vicky Dillen

The Semitic
<http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/semitic.htm>
New Testament-- Tim and Barb Aho

Freemasons
<http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/messiah1.htm>
Take over Vatican and
Jewish
<http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/messiah1.htm>
Messianic
Expectation

HEBREW ROOTS'
<http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/bridge.htm>
BRIDGE TO BROWNSVILLE-
The new Engine for Charismania

THE STAR OF
<http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/stardavd.htm>
DAVID-
Paganism infiltrates Zion and the Church-
Large study.

MIDRASH- The
<http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/midrash.htm>
Camel's Nose-- By Tim and Barb Aho

SHOFAR CULT
<http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/shofar.htm>
IN BROWNSVILLE
Get your own shofar and
chase devils around the mountain.
Economy model (without sidewalls)- $175

FREEMASONS
<http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/kabalism.htm>
AND KABALISM

THE ESOTERIC
<http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/priory.htm>
JESUS--
The "Jesus" from outside the Bible:
Did Jesus Marry Mary Magdalene and have a
Baby? Some of the highest placed leaders in the
Anglo world believe this and think they are blood
line descendants of Jesus Christ.

ROYAL <http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/bloodvom.htm>
VERSION OF HEBREW ROOTS CULT--
Aryan Race and Holy Grail Version of Hebrew
Roots Cult

THOUGHTS
<http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/thoughts.htm>
FROM ALL OVER- Steve Van Nattan

SEE OUR <http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/prophecy/israel.htm>
PROPHECY SECTION ON ISRAEL
TO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE FETISH OBSESSIONS IN HEBREW ROOTS



LINKS:

BASED IN ISRAEL FOR THE GULLIBLE:
http://kad-esh.org/

HERE IS WHERE YOU COULD END UP IF YOU CHANSE THE FANTASY OF HEBREW
ROOTS:
<http://www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/atheism/guest/jimlee.html>
http://www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/atheism/guest/jimlee.html

I RECENTLY GOT EMAILED BY SOMEONE TRYING TO SELL ME A CD OF MESSIANIC
RUBBISH FROM THIS SITE: The makers of the CD may not have been
responsible
for the unwanted email, but this shows how far the Hebrew Roots people
will
do to promote their club:
http://www.emessianica.com/

BLOW THE SHOFAR <http://www.blessedquietness.com/sounds/shofar.au> ,
AND GET
THE WARM FUZZIES

ANSWER TO IDENTITY AND
HEBREW ROOTS INSANITY:
http://www.naminggrace.org/id55.htm
Disclaimer: Bible version used

THE MOST DEMONIC DOCTRINAL STATEMENT
THIS SIDE OF HELL:
http://www.kingidentity.com/doctrine.htm

ARYAN IDENTIRY HATE FOR JEWS:
http://www.kingidentity.com/lib.html

LET ME SHOW YOU WHERE HEBREW ROOTS
CAN END:

JEW HATERS WITH ALLEGED CHRISTIAN ZEAL USE A FLAMING NEW AGE MYSTIC AS
THEIR
AUTHORITY:
http://www.christusrex.org/www2/koestler/
Read the mystic na-na land visions of Arthur Koestler:
http://www.bodysoulandspirit.net/myak.htm
<http://web.archive.org/web/20011125220656/http://bodysoulandspirit.net/myak
.htm>
Koestler ate psychoaltering mushrooms with Timothy Leary for kicks.
What an impeccable source for an alleged Christians gang in attack
Jews.

BLACK HEBREW ISRAELITES--
The most insane and UNhistorical pile of Jew hating rubbish I have
ever
seen:
http://www.angelfire.com/sd/occultic/hebrew.html

"ADAM MEANS WHITE RACE IN SCRIPTURE AND IN LINGUISTICS"
And the farmer hauled another load away
http://spiritandtruth.freeservers.com/adam.htm

WHITE SUPREMACIST JEW HATRED IN A THIN CANDY SHELL OF CHRISTIAN ZEAL:
http://www.christianseparatist.org
<http://www.christianseparatist.org/>

JIVE-SOULISH-HIPPY-HEBREW-GENTILE TORAH-ROOTS MIXTURE:
http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/hickory/608/

LETTERS TO AND FROM THE GULLIBLE:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/
<http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/1046/9706/970611_d.html>
1046/9706/970611_d.html

THE ULTIMATE STARTING POINT- This site is 100% ecumenical with Roman
Catholic site included.
Ask a Christian Rabbi (honest :-) questions by E-Mail.
600+ links to do research on the HRM:
http://www.saltshakers.com/home.htm

Shalom ouka- Return to Torah- Messianic Gentiles
(I know, but they think they are...) These people delve into unlimited
mysticism of Satan: http://www.kolumbus.fi/hpatrik/



THESE GUYS SHOULD BE SELLING FORDS OR DATSUNS:
http://www.webruler.com/torah/


THE LUNATIC FRINGE OF THE HRM: http://WWW.ANTIPAS.ORG/


RECENT DISCOVERY BY READER:
YESHUA
<http://web.archive.org/web/20020602080302/http://www.yeshuatheking.org/>
THE KING-- This is pure cult stuff.


SINGLE MOST BLASPHEMOUS HRM SITE <http://web2.airmail.net/bennoah1/>
ON THE
WEB


AMERICA'S NUMBER ONE SHOFAR PEDDLER <http://www.sidroth.org/>


LOOK AT THE GRINGO WANNA BE JEW WHO WON'T
<http://www.martygoetz.com/>
SPELL GOD'S NAME RIGHT
Note the European look, NOT Semitic at all.


SHOULD
<http://web.archive.org/web/19990422050804/http://cjf.org/kosher1.htm>
CHRISTIANS KEEP KOSHER?--
Really folks, this theological nut case teaches just that.


END
<http://web.archive.org/web/20000414142839/http://www.christip.com.au/prophe
cies/restoration16.html> TIME SERVANTS AND HANDMAIDENS- This cult has
been
around since about 1980. It is Hebrew Roots in heritage and highly
cultic
and exclusive.


MORE OF THE
<http://www.standard.net.au/~covenant/restore/restore4.html>
SAME From Australia- John Holland-
The buzz words are hidden in the HTML Meta Tag.


TWO
<http://web.archive.org/web/19991109064029/http://www.network-one.com/%7Essc
hrock/pauline.html> HARVESTS AND KEEPING THE LAW


SABBATH
<http://web.archive.org/web/19980508133653/http://triumph.simplenet.com/fire
band.htm> KEEPING SECRET CHURCH PROPHET-
He knows who the two witnesses are but isn't telling :-)


HANDMAIDENS OF YAHWEH <http://www.eliyah.com/forum/messages/1035.html>
-
Recruiting Page


NOTE WHO ELSE <http://www.vii.com/~nicksl/saltlake.html> SPEAKS OF
SERVANTS AND HANDMAIDENS


SURF THIS ONE <http://www.amightywind.com/index2.htm> : Unbelievable
slop
and dancing baloney.


SILLY
<http://web.archive.org/web/19991006050248/http://www.inergy.com/nethaniahch
urch/> BUT INDICATIVE OF
THE PENETRATION OF SLOW MINDS


GREEN
<http://web.archive.org/web/19991023121753/http://user.cybrzn.com/%7Ekenmar/
10-26-97.htm> BAY PRESS-GAZETTE--
Report on Handmaidens Convention


NBC
<http://web.archive.org/web/19990225075852/http://www.msnbc.com/news/118282.
asp> REPORT ON
HANDMAIDENS


HEBREW
<http://web.archive.org/web/20011007191443/www.saltshakers.com/index.htm>
ROOTS ENCYCLOPEDIA FOR SALE
If a reader would order this and send it to us, we would be grateful.


JOHN
<http://web.archive.org/web/20010804065939/http://www.bfree.org/men/frameset
.htm> BUTT- Promotes Polygamy, The Destruction of the Lord's Church,
and
other loonie notions.


MALKAYNU SHUVAH MINISTRIES <http://www.angelfire.com/mi/Malkaynu/> -
This one is Classic Cultism


DR.
<http://web.archive.org/web/19990222081925/http://a-o.com/drgeneblakely/>
GENE BLAKLEY- Typical Mother Gooseology


HEBRAIC HERITAGE <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/2175/index.html>
MINISTRIES-- If it got any richer or deeper, we would spread it on our
garden. This site is a fantastic resource as a starting place in
research.




"Once for All"


Free from the Law, O happy condition;
Jesus hath bled, and there is remission;
Cursed by the Law , and bruised by the fall;
Grace hath redeemed us once for all.


Once for all,
O sinner receive it;
Once for all;
O brother believe it;
Cling to the Cross,
The burden will fall;
Christ hat redeemed us,
Once for all.


Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the
law,
but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus
Christ,
that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the
works of
the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.




Steve
SteveZ176
2004-08-08 16:01:20 UTC
Permalink
http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/perfectioncult.htm


THE CULT OF SINLESS PERFECTION OR
ENTIRE SANCTIFICATION



Why is this a cult?

Answer: They blaspheme the Word of God

1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and
declare
unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we
lie,
and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have
fellowship one
with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from
all
sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth
is not
in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our
sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word
is
not in us.

When the holiness people, any of them, claim they reach entire
sanctification, they are making God a liar. They are arrogantly stand
against God himself. This means that, as the text above states, his
Word if
not in them. The Truth is not in them. They are lost and on the way to
hell.
You may wonder why I would say this so confidently. Let God speak in
his
Word again:

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words
of the
prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God
shall add
unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this
prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and
out of
the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

These sinless perfection, entire sanctification, people take away the
words
from the very mouth of God. He says we may NOT claim we are without
sin, and
they slap his face and say they ARE without sin.

Paul, whom these heretics also insult and mock, makes it clear that he
was
still in a struggle with sin and the flesh:

Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal,
sold
under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not;
but
what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it
is
good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good
thing: for
to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I
find
not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not,
that
I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
that
dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with
me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23 But I see
another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and
bringing
me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of
this
death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself
serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

I have known several allegedly sinless holiness people. Everyone of
them was
a perfect pest. They were arrogant and quickly insulted other people.
They
lacked zeal for soul winning.

One lady attended a church I pastored. She assured anyone who would
listen
that she was sinless. She would interrupt the sermon on Sunday morning
and
start whining and getting all weepy, and she would ask if she could
give a
testimony. What followed was 100% self-serving rubbish. She got to
gossiping, and I had to ask her to stop it. I told her that the Bible
teaches that gossip is sin. Her reply, "It was an error of the head,
not the
heart." I assume some holiness or Nazarene preacher invented this loop
hole.
I asked the lady to sit in the pew and just listen for a few Sundays.
She
took her hen pecked husband and went back to the Nazarene church in a
nearby
city. The preacher sent word by a friend of mine that he hope I would
try to
get her to return to our assembly. The lady was as bad a pest in her
own
denomination as she was for me.

Here is the Nazarene doctrine of sins of the head and sins of the
heart
hogwash-- their statement:

The Nazarene Church believes and teaches the doctrine of ENTIRE
SANCTIFICATION, or SINLESS PERFECTION. The Nazarene Church believes
that a
person who has been saved and born-again can achieve SINLESS
PERFECTION in
this lifetime. In an act subsequent to trusting Christ for salvation,
which
some call the Baptism of the Holy Spirit or SECOND BLESSING, one is
said to
be cleansed at that moment from ALL inward sin...and it is
'eradicated' when
one is baptized with the Holy Spirit.

"this 'sinless' person can still commit 'involuntary and inescapable
shortcomings, infirmities, faults, mistakes, failures, or other
deviations
from a standard of perfect conduct that are RESIDUAL of the fall.
However,
such INNOCENT effects do not include attitudes or responses contrary
to the
spirit of Christ, which may be properly called sins of the spirit."

I dear saint, a faithful husband and father, came home one day to
learn that
his wife had run off with a holiness preacher. The Satanic preacher
told the
lady that anything she did with him was not sin because he was
sinless.

What is at the heart of the entire sanctification doctrine? Answer:
Pride. I
find that holiness people are arrogant and proud of their status. They
talk
down to those who do not teach their filthy heresy. You cannot help
them.
They are also very sinful. They are full of adultery, fornication,
greed,
covetousness, and general worldliness. Sinless churches lead the way
in CCM
music and boogie and rock bands at the front of the church house. The
sinless kids are sensual dressers, and they are spoiled brats.

Here is what one may suggests we do with these people:

It seems to me this elitist attitude among these holiness types is not
unlike that of the religious elite of Jesus' day. If they want to
boast
about how sinlessly perfect they are, then let them demonstrate it by
their
behavior. I have yet to personally meet anyone who lives up to their
own
standards, let alone God's standards. Jesus dealt with such people by
simply
pointing out their sin. He said concerning the adulterous woman,

John 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and
said
unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a
stone at
her.

Not even Jesus' enemies, the religious elite of his day, were so
ignorant of
their own sinfulness as to willing to claim sinless perfection
publicly. For
a person to claim that they have achieved sinless perfection is a very
very
serious thing and must be scrutinized, even in Jesus' case. For Jesus
himself encouraged people to scrutinize his own behavior saying,

John 8:46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth,
why do
ye not believe me?

If they are "ignorant" of their own sinfulness, then it seems out of
love
Christian brethren must make them aware of their sinfulness. Notice
for
example how Jesus dealt with such a person in Matthew 19. A rich man
came to
his casually using the term "good", just as holiness types casually
claim
themselves to be sinlessly perfect. Jesus immediately picked up on
this and
knew that this man didn't have the conviction of sin necessary to come
to
faith. He first tried to convict him of sin by pointing out the law.
But
apparently the man thought himself sinlessly perfect claiming to have
keep
all the law. But he was thinking in a limited sense in terms of the
letter
rather than the spirit of the law. So Jesus got to the heart of it and
gave
him a command which pointed out his greed. That's part of Christian
ministry
- to humiliate those who reckon themselves "good" people.

Here is the Wesleyan version, which is really a lot of double talk.
This
explanation is designed to make Wesleyans special while leaving them
room to
sin a little on the side:

Question: What is Entire Sanctification?

Answer: Wesleyans believe that, after conversion, but before death, a
believer's heart may be cleansed from all sin.


Question: So, sanctified people can't sin?


Answer: Sanctified people can sin, just like Adam and Eve could sin.
However, those who have moved to this level of Christian life and
experience
are more likely not to sin. Before experiencing entire sanctification,
believers often fight losing struggles against strong tendencies
toward
sinning and selfishness. After the experience, they find themselves
most
often feeling a tendency toward righteousness.


Question: How perfect is "Christian Perfection"?


Answer: Christian Perfection doesn't mean perfect in the sense that
many
think. The Bible's word for perfect means that a person is as complete
as he
or she was designed to be at that moment. A seven-year-old piano
player
might be able to perform a one-handed version of a song perfectly.
When the
child finishes, his or her piano teacher might exclaim: "Perfect!"
However,
as that little musician grows up and reaches his or her mid-twenties,
the
same teacher will likely expect a great deal more.


Read more of this <http://home.snu.edu/%7Ehculbert.fs/entire.htm>
rubbish

Where does this lust for sinlessness come from?

The fall of Satan, as recorded in Eze. 28:2-19 reveals many important
facts
about free will. Verses 12-14 record the position and status Satan
enjoyed
as "the anointed cherub that covereth." Satan was given privileges
awarded
to no other angel. He stood before the creator as the High Priest (vs.
13)
of the angelic kingdom. However, no verse is more revealing than verse
15:
"Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created,
till
iniquity was found in thee."

Free will plus sinlessness resulted in eternal damnation of Satan. The
Christian who claims free will, which he DOES have according to the
Word of
God, PLUS sinlessness, which he does NOT have, will lead an
insurrection
against God. He will next assert himself to be like The Most High.
Only God,
as manifested in Jesus Christ, is sinless, so the assertion of
sinlessness
in man is Luciferian religion.

If you are in one of the following churches, and if you promote the
entire
sanctification doctrine, you are lost and on your way to hell for
calling
God a liar:

Holiness Church
Church of God-- Some
United Pentecostal Church
Nazarene Church
Four Square Gospel
Wesleyan Methodist Church
Apostolic Holiness Church
Church of God in Christ
There are many more

If you are truly born again, and if you are in one of these groups,
you WILL
get out. The Holy Ghost will not leave you in them.

Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man
that is
among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think;
but
to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure
of
faith.

Why did I say that this is the most wicked cult?

Answer: Before you can get a lost man saved, and before you can get a
saved
backslidden man restored, YOU HAVE TO MAKE HIM INTO A SINNER.

This wicked cult immunizes the sinner and back slider from coming
under
conviction of sin. The very first step to salvation and victory is
sabotaged
before the get go. So, many are lost and on their way to hell, all the
time
thinking they are sinless. How much more wicked does it get? Even the
Pope,
Joseph Smith, the JWs, the SDAs, and almost all cults and pagans agree
that
man sins. The foundation for preaching the Gospel is to convince men
of sin.


John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you
that I
go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you;
but if
I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of
righteousness, and of judgment:

Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I
had
not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the
law had
said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all
manner of
concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came,
sin
revived, and I died.

Dead men are the only ones who can get saved, and only dead men who
KNOW
they are dead men will listen. Sinless men will look down their long
noses
and smile benignly at the soul winner or the preacher. They do not
need the
Gospel. They do not need revival. They have no sin.

What to do?

Slap them hard-- Tell the holiness people they are lost and damned to
hell
for making God a liar. See John 1 above.



Here is Dr. Staples' model of the doctrine

Have you ever seen such a mess that has no basis in the Word of God?

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LETTER FROM A READER:

Hi, Steve.

Years ago an old friend was a Church of God (Cleveland, TN) preacher.
He got
out.


He just couldn't bring himself to teach the "entire sanctification"
doctrine, especially because he didn't believe it. He tried and tried
just
to leave it alone, but a number of older "saints" wouldn't have it. To
them
he was omitting a glorious gospel truth.


The attitude of one old prune pretty well summed it up right about the
time
my friend began preaching that entire sanctification was error. She
came up
to him after the service and BAWLED HIM OUT. And his wife!


The old gal just ranted and raved about how she hadn't sinned in forty
years, all the while shouting at the preacher and his wife at the top
of her
lungs!


Sounds more like entire STUPEFECATION to me!


J




LINKS:

A DEFENSE OF ENTIRE <http://homepage.mac.com/craigadams1/DEFENSE/>
SANCTIFICATION

NAZARENE
<http://www.belleview-college.org/at/SanctificationScriptures.htm>
CHURCH APOLOGETIC




Steve
Libertarius
2004-08-08 15:18:44 UTC
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On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 22:49:52 +0930, David Simpson
Post by David Simpson
Post by SteveZ
http://www.angelfire.com/in/HisName/Biblical.html
The Judaising of the Christian Church.
There is only one problem with this, Steve. Jesus was a Jew.
And so were the Satan serving Pharisees, Scribes and Saducees.
So what's your point.
Steve
===>Jesus was a Pharisee. They called him RABBI! -- L.
Libertarius
2004-08-08 15:17:38 UTC
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Post by David Simpson
Post by SteveZ
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The Judaising of the Christian Church.
There is only one problem with this, Steve. Jesus was a Jew.
===>He has it backward. It was the Judaism of Jesus that was
PAGANIZED by Saul/Paul and his Christos Cult. -- L.
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