Post by Christ Rosehttps://christrose.news/2024/09/15-evidences-that-signs-and-wonders.html
Tongues were programmed to "cease of themselves" (1 Corinthians 13:8).
"Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for
tongues, they will CEASE; as for knowledge, it will pass away." (1
Corinthians 13:8, ESV, emphasis mine)
Well, CringeRose needs to chuck his knowledge out his horse and cart
also then. :-). You see how he focuses in his sin state on what he wants
to be truth and ignores the other?
John, I haven't got a horse in these endless arguments between these two
sinner "I am scripture truthers," but let's have a little look.
Firstly, simply, if QuipRose wants it his way, then he better toss
knowledge out the door with tongues. :-).
But let's look at the Amplified Bible rendering...
1Co 13:8 Love never fails [never fades out or becomes obsolete or comes
to an end]. As for prophecy (the gift of interpreting the divine will
and purpose), it will be fulfilled and pass away; as for tongues, they
will be destroyed and cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away [it
will lose its value and be superseded by truth].
"Lose its value and be superseded by truth."
Superseded by the Spirit of Truth. See it?
The apostle's, the 'cleansed of all unrighteousness' state of being...
2 Cor 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of
Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of
the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing,
because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye
received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of
God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.
The receiving God's voice speaking into their hearts, into their daily
lives.
You see, the bible (the written word) is superseded by the Spirit
indwelling. If you still need a bible, you are not born again because
you need ***eternal*** instruction, indoctrination, teaching, and
reproof (2 Tim 3:16).
1Co 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
1Co 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in
part shall be done away.
When the Lord comes and indwells, you have that which is perfect; you
have all you need.
The Lord Jesus died for our sin, but that is not all. He came to indwell
the believer in Him so that they would become the Word.
Still an unbeliever (by God's standard): need the bible—not born again.
A whole-heart believer (the only kind): no bible needed—born again,
because he is indwelt by the Spirit of God.
This is horrific to them because everything depends on their independent
bible religion of self-determination. That is why they mock me and speak
evil and lie about me, calling me a 'sinless self-based' person and a
bible tosser.
Once you have a true relationship with the Lord, you need nothing
else—not a bible, not a book written by a man, not a teacher, not a
preacher, not a priest, not a mentor—for fulness is found and is only
found in the Lord.
Now read it and see...
Col 2:9 For ***in him*** dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Col 2:10 And ***ye are complete in him,*** which is the head of all
principality and power:
...see it.
In the Name of Jesus
In the Name of Jesus
Post by Christ RoseThe middle voice of "cease" indicates that nothing had to act on tongues
to make them cease. They had a built-in limit. Now that the purpose for
tongues has ceased (see below), tongues have ceased.
By contrast, prophecy and knowledge are said to be made to cease
(passive voice), by the arrival of that which is perfect (1 Corinthians
13:10).
"But when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away." (1 Corinthians
13:10, ESV)
"That which is perfect" may refer to the maturity of the church. It fits
the context (1 Corinthians 13:11-12), and it means that Paul will see as
others see him, not as one who looks in a blurry bronze mirror at himself.
"For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in
part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known. When I
was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned
like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways." (1
Corinthians 13:11-12, ESV)
These verses explain that the gifts of prophecy and knowledge would be
made to cease by the arrival of "that which is perfect," which may refer
to the maturity of the church and potentially the completion of the
canon of Scripture. Just as Paul describes leaving behind childish
things upon reaching maturity, the partial gifts would no longer be
necessary once the church reached full maturity, when full understanding
would replace partial knowledge.
The purpose of sign gifts and tongues has ceased.
a) Jesus' healings and other miracles served the purpose of validating
His ministry as coming from God, and of fulfilling the Old Testament
Scriptures that predicted the Messiah would heal the sick, etc. For
example, Jesus used these miracles to bolster the faith of John the
“And when John had heard in prison about the works of Christ, he sent
two of his disciples and said to Him, “Are You the Coming One, or do we
look for another?” Jesus answered and said to them, “Go and tell John
the things which you hear and see: The blind see and the lame walk; the
lepers are cleansed and the deaf hear; the dead are raised up and the
poor have the gospel preached to them. And blessed is he who is not
offended because of Me.”” (Matthew 11:2–6, NKJV)
“Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, And the ears of the deaf
shall be unstopped. Then the lame shall leap like a deer, And the tongue
of the dumb sing. For waters shall burst forth in the wilderness, And
streams in the desert.” (Isaiah 35:5–6, NKJV)
Thus, Jesus confirmed to John and everyone else that He was the
prophesied Messiah, through signs and wonders like healing the sick,
etc. The real healing Jesus offers people today, is spiritual healing.
He raises them from the dead spiritually, gives them spiritual sight,
and gives them spiritual life and wellness (Ephesians 2:1-2, etc.).
b) Regarding tongues, the purpose of tongues, as described in both the
Old and New Testaments, was a sign directed primarily to the people of
Israel. In the Old Testament, Isaiah prophesied that foreign languages
would serve as a judgment upon Israel for their unbelief and
disobedience. Isaiah writes, "By people of strange lips and with a
foreign tongue the Lord will speak to this people, to whom he has said,
'This is rest; give rest to the weary; and this is repose'; yet they
would not hear" (Isaiah 28:11-12, ESV). Here, God warns Israel that
because of their rejection of His message, they would hear it through
the tongues of foreigners, symbolizing judgment and the presence of
unbelief.
In the New Testament, Paul reinforces this understanding of tongues in 1
Corinthians 14:21-22, where he directly references Isaiah 28, saying,
"In the Law it is written, 'By people of strange tongues and by the lips
of foreigners will I speak to this people, and even then they will not
listen to me, says the Lord.' Thus tongues are a sign not for believers
but for unbelievers, while prophecy is a sign not for unbelievers but
for believers" (1 Corinthians 14:21-22, ESV). Paul confirms that the
primary purpose of tongues was to be a sign for unbelieving Israel,
showing that the miraculous gift was not primarily for the edification
of the church but a specific testimony to Israel's rejection of God's
message.
Despite this supernatural witness, Israel as a nation rejected the
testimony of the apostles, just as the Scriptures foretold (Romans
10:19; Deuteronomy 32:21). This rejection marked the fulfillment of
God’s prophetic warning and underscored the cessation of tongues as a
sign gift, having served its divinely appointed purpose.
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God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30 I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.
Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.
Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.
"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."
"If God is not first in everything, He is not first in anything."
"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."
"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."
"Compromise will condemn you."
"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."
"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."
"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"
"The way of truth is the testimony of life."
"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."
"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."
"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."
"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."
"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."
"You cannot be free, and free indeed with guilt in your heart."
"Priority is everything."
"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."
"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."
"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."
"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."
"Wait, rest, be still, and know."
"No man can wash his own hands!!!"
"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."
"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."
"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."
"Man is not the centre of being."
"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."
"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."
"Man has no greater idol than his own will."
"Where is God hiding? He isn't."
"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."
"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."
"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."
"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."
"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."
"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."
"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."
"The definition of an atheist: a man full of bluster and bullshit in his
meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."
"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.
"What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence."
"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."
"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
What a gift in a fallen world!"
"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"
"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"
"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."
"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."
"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."
"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."
"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."
"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."
"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."
"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."
"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"
"There is no such thing as random!"
"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."
"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."
"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."
"No sinner is sinless in any way."
"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."
"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."
"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."
"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."
"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."
"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."
"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."
"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."
"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."
"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."
"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."
"God has to be quiet now, we have our bible." Well, then, who is going
to speak?