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Ghosts Biblically, DO NOT EXIST.
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On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 09:26:38 +1100, In the Name of Jesus
You know the truth.
Morning, hope all is well.

Sorry to rain on your parade. but most of Christendom does not know
ALL the Bible truths. I am not going to go into details here, but
rather just list some 'false truths':

--Jesus is Jehovah. That would mean Jesus raised himself from the
dead. (great trick if you can pull it off)

--People have an immortal soul. But the Bible says a soul [Heb
nephesh] CAN DIE. (Eze 18:4 KJV) Also, biblically, fish are also
souls:

-- Darby's Bible
Genesis 1:20 And God said, Let the waters swarm with swarms of living
souls, [Heb nephesh] and let fowl fly above the earth in the expanse
of the heavens.

And souls have physical blood". (Genesis 9:5 KJV) lives= (nephesh;
souls.)

--God is a Trinity. Yet Deut says God is "ONE". (Deut 6:4)
Maybe God is one, is not meant in the Trinity sense. The medieval
scholastics tried but failed to make sense out of it, eventually
deciding that only faith could resolve the Trinity for any given
believer.

This has, ultimately, ended up being the position of most of
Christendom: That the Trinity is true even though it’s
incomprehensible; faith is the only way to accept it. 3=1=3.

Then we should do the same for Zeus or Ra. Just accept them on faith.
Right?

"That it was constructed not out of a desire to understand God, but
from a vendetta against a heresy (e.g. Arianism), is perhaps what
makes it as nonsensical as it seems. It was not designed as a rational
theology; it was designed only to refute other theologies."
(http://www.earlychristianhistory.info/trinity.html"

--The dead still live on after death. (then they are not really dead,
are they?) Yet the Bible disagrees.


--"the dead know nothing" (Ec 9:5; NIV))

--"In that very day his thoughts perish." (Ps 146:4; NASB)

--"Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep...Lazarus has died." (NAB;
John 11:11-14)

--"The dead do not praise the Lord, Nor do any who go down into
silence;" (Ps 115:17; NASB)

-- King James
Psalms 13:3 Consider and hear me, O Lord my God: lighten mine eyes,
lest I sleep the sleep of death;

-- William's NewTestament
Acts 7:60 Then he fell on his knees and cried out, "Lord, do not
charge this sin on the book against them!"<w> On saying this he fell
asleep in death.

- New King James
Acts 13:36 "For David, after he had served his own generation by the
will of God, fell asleep, was buried with his fathers, and saw
corruption;

I have more to show you, but these should make the point. The Bible
equates death with sleeping. You can't get around that. Do you believe
what God says, or what men say?
You know He is the truth.
Not by the churches. They make Jesus out to be a liar. For just one
example. Jesus said the dead are sleeping. John 11:11-14) Churches say
the dead continue to live, and either go to Heaven or to hellfire. So
that means either Jesus lied, or the Churches know more than Jesus.
You pick one.

Everyone needs to spiritually wake up and have a strong cup of Bible.

Sincerely James.
Can we endure the constant
negative actions of a person?
Bible discussion on it at
JW.org
11/17/2024
In the Name of Jesus
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On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 09:26:38 +1100, In the Name of Jesus
You know the truth.
Morning, hope all is well.
Sorry to rain on your parade. but most of Christendom does not know
ALL the Bible truths. I am not going to go into details here, but
--Jesus is Jehovah. That would mean Jesus raised himself from the
dead. (great trick if you can pull it off)
False statement created by inability to read the scripture. His Father raised
him from the dead.
Post by z***@windstream.net
--People have an immortal soul. But the Bible says a soul [Heb
nephesh] CAN DIE. (Eze 18:4 KJV) Also, biblically, fish are also
Immortal is immortal, whether it be with the Heavenly Father or residing in
the lake of Fire and Brimstone. Death, in this case, means separation from
GOD.
Post by z***@windstream.net
-- Darby's Bible
Genesis 1:20 And God said, Let the waters swarm with swarms of living
souls, [Heb nephesh] and let fowl fly above the earth in the expanse
of the heavens.
And souls have physical blood". (Genesis 9:5 KJV) lives= (nephesh;
souls.)
Nephesh = the whole of the being
Post by z***@windstream.net
--God is a Trinity. Yet Deut says God is "ONE". (Deut 6:4)
Maybe God is one, is not meant in the Trinity sense. The medieval
scholastics tried but failed to make sense out of it, eventually
deciding that only faith could resolve the Trinity for any given
believer.
This has, ultimately, ended up being the position of most of
Christendom: That the Trinity is true even though it’s
incomprehensible; faith is the only way to accept it. 3=1=3.
No, it has not, and the RCC is not the whole of the Church, it is only a
part, and very erroneous, albeit not as bad as the JW.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Then we should do the same for Zeus or Ra. Just accept them on faith.
Right?
That is what the RCC currently teach. Which the pope has reiterated three
time this year.
Post by z***@windstream.net
"That it was constructed not out of a desire to understand God, but
from a vendetta against a heresy (e.g. Arianism), is perhaps what
makes it as nonsensical as it seems. It was not designed as a rational
theology; it was designed only to refute other theologies."
(http://www.earlychristianhistory.info/trinity.html"
You can believe what you want and assign your beliefs to others, yet it does
not justify your thinking.
Post by z***@windstream.net
--The dead still live on after death. (then they are not really dead,
are they?) Yet the Bible disagrees.
When the tent of the Human, their body, a tabernacle, dies it is dead.
Returns to dust from which it came. Yet their spirit and soul dwell on. As
mentioned above as well as in scripture. How else did Samuel speak to King
Saul after he died? Or do you not believe all of the scripture?
Post by z***@windstream.net
--"the dead know nothing" (Ec 9:5; NIV))
--"In that very day his thoughts perish." (Ps 146:4; NASB)
--"Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep...Lazarus has died." (NAB;
John 11:11-14)
--"The dead do not praise the Lord, Nor do any who go down into
silence;" (Ps 115:17; NASB)
-- King James
Psalms 13:3 Consider and hear me, O Lord my God: lighten mine eyes,
lest I sleep the sleep of death;
-- William's NewTestament
Acts 7:60 Then he fell on his knees and cried out, "Lord, do not
charge this sin on the book against them!"<w> On saying this he fell
asleep in death.
- New King James
Acts 13:36 "For David, after he had served his own generation by the
will of God, fell asleep, was buried with his fathers, and saw
corruption;
Obviously these were speaking of the Body, but not the Person. IOW their
tabernacle, or do you disagree with the scripture.
Post by z***@windstream.net
I have more to show you, but these should make the point. The Bible
equates death with sleeping. You can't get around that. Do you believe
what God says, or what men say?
Do you?
Post by z***@windstream.net
You know He is the truth.
Not by the churches. They make Jesus out to be a liar. For just one
example. Jesus said the dead are sleeping. John 11:11-14) Churches say
the dead continue to live, and either go to Heaven or to hellfire. So
that means either Jesus lied, or the Churches know more than Jesus.
You pick one.
When you die, per your cult. You are dead, gone forever, non-existent. If you
truly believe that, then why mess with any cult or religion. After all, what
is the point? You live, you die, you wasted your time as a human, and were
forced to live in a religious state, that benefitted no one, not even
yourself.
Post by z***@windstream.net
http://youtu.be/fBVJVNWkYzE
Everyone needs to spiritually wake up and have a strong cup of Bible.
Why? After all, when you are dead, “that’s all Folks"
Post by z***@windstream.net
Sincerely James.
z***@windstream.net
2024-11-22 22:49:00 UTC
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Post by z***@windstream.net
On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 09:26:38 +1100, In the Name of Jesus
You know the truth.
Morning, hope all is well.
Sorry to rain on your parade. but most of Christendom does not know
ALL the Bible truths. I am not going to go into details here, but
--Jesus is Jehovah. That would mean Jesus raised himself from the
dead. (great trick if you can pull it off)
False statement created by inability to read the scripture. His Father raised
him from the dead.
If Jesus IS God, then he raised himself. No getting around it.
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
--People have an immortal soul. But the Bible says a soul [Heb
nephesh] CAN DIE. (Eze 18:4 KJV) Also, biblically, fish are also
Immortal is immortal, whether it be with the Heavenly Father or residing in
the lake of Fire and Brimstone. Death, in this case, means separation from
GOD.
Then why did Job desire death? Did he really want to be separated from
God? (Job 14:13) Actually Job wanted to go to hell (sheol) to get
relief.
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
-- Darby's Bible
Genesis 1:20 And God said, Let the waters swarm with swarms of living
souls, [Heb nephesh] and let fowl fly above the earth in the expanse
of the heavens.
And souls have physical blood". (Genesis 9:5 KJV) lives= (nephesh;
souls.)
Nephesh = the whole of the being
Yes, when God created Adam, and Adam became alive, Adam became a
living "soul", he wasn't given one. (Gen 2:7)
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
--God is a Trinity. Yet Deut says God is "ONE". (Deut 6:4)
Maybe God is one, is not meant in the Trinity sense. The medieval
scholastics tried but failed to make sense out of it, eventually
deciding that only faith could resolve the Trinity for any given
believer.
This has, ultimately, ended up being the position of most of
Christendom: That the Trinity is true even though it’s
incomprehensible; faith is the only way to accept it. 3=1=3.
No, it has not, and the RCC is not the whole of the Church, it is only a
part, and very erroneous, albeit not as bad as the JW.
Good. You have set the JW's aside as not being a part of the churches.
As the only true religion, we will be persecuted just as Jesus said.

Jesus brought true Bible teachings to the Jews back then. By doing so,
he stepped on religious leader's toes. Eventually they killed him. We
shouldn't expect any less.
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
Then we should do the same for Zeus or Ra. Just accept them on faith.
Right?
That is what the RCC currently teach. Which the pope has reiterated three
time this year.
You have to hand it to Satan. He has the churches in his hands, and
has them believing in an illogical doctrine, the Trinity. And worse
yet, has them believing God is a sadist that cooks His misbehaving
children in a literal fire forever. Yes he is a master at deception.

But he is angry at JW's, because they don't fall for his lies. Unless
God stops him, he would wipe them out in an instant. Yes, there is
only "one faith" (Eph 4:5), not many conflicting ones. The Christ does
not exist divided.
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
"That it was constructed not out of a desire to understand God, but
from a vendetta against a heresy (e.g. Arianism), is perhaps what
makes it as nonsensical as it seems. It was not designed as a rational
theology; it was designed only to refute other theologies."
(http://www.earlychristianhistory.info/trinity.html"
You can believe what you want and assign your beliefs to others, yet it does
not justify your thinking.
The Holy Bible justifies our thinking. And the JW's are the only ones
fulfilling Mt 24:14 globally, and the prophecy of Isa 2:2-4. (see
American Standard Bible)
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
--The dead still live on after death. (then they are not really dead,
are they?) Yet the Bible disagrees.
When the tent of the Human, their body, a tabernacle, dies it is dead.
Returns to dust from which it came. Yet their spirit and soul dwell on. As
mentioned above as well as in scripture. How else did Samuel speak to King
Saul after he died? Or do you not believe all of the scripture?
Did you carefully look at the context? Concerning Saul's experience
with the witch of En-dor (1 Sa 28:7-19), the context shows Saul at
that time was not obeying God. For example, 1 Sa 28:5,6 shows that God
was not supporting Saul at that time:

"5. When Saul saw the Philistine army, he was afraid; terror filled
his heart.
6. He inquired of the LORD, but the LORD did not answer him by
dreams or Urim or prophets." (NIV)

And Saul even admits this in verse 15, "God has turned away from me."

And since the Bible clearly says at Ec 9:5, 10 and Ps 146:3,4 the dead
are not conscience of anything, then there is no way that the witch
could talk to any dead person. (Samuel was in the grave at that time.
The Bible calls it "sheol"; the place where all the dead went)

Saul next decides to break another one of God's laws, and seek out a
person who claims to talk to dead people. This was in clear violation
of De 18:10-12,

"10. Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter
in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens,
engages in witchcraft,
11. or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults
the dead.
12. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and
because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out
those nations before you."

There is a good reason why God didn't want people trying to make
communications with dead people. That is because since dead people
cannot talk to anyone, then if someone did make contact with an
alleged dead person, that 'person' had to be Satan or a demon
impersonating that dead person. 2 Co 11:14 ,

"And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light."
(NIV)

(see also 2 Th 2:9)

And talking to lying, deceitful demons is not going to make things
better for a person in the long run, no more than if you take advice
from a con man.

And just a couple more thoughts here. Even if somehow Saul was really
talking to Samuel, why would Samuel be a participant with a witch to
communicate with Saul, something the righteous Samuel knew to be
against God? (De 18:10-12) And why would Samuel talk to Saul now,
seeing that when he was alive he REFUSED to see the unrighteous Saul?
(1 Sa 15:35)

No, this was not the righteous Samuel of the Bible. Rather Saul was
communicating with something, THROUGH a spirit medium witch.

So in summary, Saul was wicked at the time, and he sought out a wicked
person to get his information. And since the Bible shows the dead are
not conscience and cannot speak to anyone, Saul could not have been
talking to Samuel himself, but rather it had to be an impersonator of
Samuel, a wicked demon spirit. And that is why God warns His servants
to not inquire of the dead, so as not to be mislead by them.
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
--"the dead know nothing" (Ec 9:5; NIV))
--"In that very day his thoughts perish." (Ps 146:4; NASB)
--"Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep...Lazarus has died." (NAB;
John 11:11-14)
--"The dead do not praise the Lord, Nor do any who go down into
silence;" (Ps 115:17; NASB)
-- King James
Psalms 13:3 Consider and hear me, O Lord my God: lighten mine eyes,
lest I sleep the sleep of death;
-- William's NewTestament
Acts 7:60 Then he fell on his knees and cried out, "Lord, do not
charge this sin on the book against them!"<w> On saying this he fell
asleep in death.
- New King James
Acts 13:36 "For David, after he had served his own generation by the
will of God, fell asleep, was buried with his fathers, and saw
corruption;
Obviously these were speaking of the Body, but not the Person. IOW their
tabernacle, or do you disagree with the scripture.
It is because of Scripture, that I believe the way I do.

Look carefully at Jesus' words about his dead friend, Lazarus:

-- New King James
John 11:11 These things He said, and after that He said to them, "Our
friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up.''

Jesus was not talking about a dead body, but about THE MAN Lazarus.
The man Lazarus was sleeping (dead), Jesus was going to wake HIM (not
just a body) up.
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
I have more to show you, but these should make the point. The Bible
equates death with sleeping. You can't get around that. Do you believe
what God says, or what men say?
Do you?
I am not talking about what the Bible says just to kill time.
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
You know He is the truth.
Not by the churches. They make Jesus out to be a liar. For just one
example. Jesus said the dead are sleeping. John 11:11-14) Churches say
the dead continue to live, and either go to Heaven or to hellfire. So
that means either Jesus lied, or the Churches know more than Jesus.
You pick one.
When you die, per your cult. You are dead, gone forever, non-existent. If you
truly believe that, then why mess with any cult or religion. After all, what
is the point? You live, you die, you wasted your time as a human, and were
forced to live in a religious state, that benefitted no one, not even
yourself.
Yes, Satan wants you to believe such malarkey. Yes, all the dead now
are as Jesus said "sleeping". But don't forget Acts 24:15:

-- New King James
Acts 24:15 "I have hope in God, which they themselves also accept,
that there will be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and
the unjust.
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
http://youtu.be/fBVJVNWkYzE
Everyone needs to spiritually wake up and have a strong cup of Bible.
Why? After all, when you are dead, “that’s all Folks"
True, that's all till the soon to be resurrection. (see above)

Sincerely James.
How to survive a disaster.
Bible discussion on it at
JW.org 11/22/2024
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
Sincerely James.
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On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 09:26:38 +1100, In the Name of Jesus
You know the truth.
Morning, hope all is well.
Sorry to rain on your parade. but most of Christendom does not
know ALL the Bible truths. I am not going to go into details
--Jesus is Jehovah. That would mean Jesus raised himself from the
dead. (great trick if you can pull it off)
False statement created by inability to read the scripture. His
Father raised him from the dead.
If Jesus IS God, then he raised himself. No getting around it.
acts 2,
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
--People have an immortal soul. But the Bible says a soul [Heb
nephesh] CAN DIE. (Eze 18:4 KJV) Also, biblically, fish are also
Immortal is immortal, whether it be with the Heavenly Father or
residing in the lake of Fire and Brimstone. Death, in this case,
means separation from GOD.
Then why did Job desire death? Did he really want to be separated
from God? (Job 14:13) Actually Job wanted to go to hell (sheol) to
get relief.
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
-- Darby's Bible Genesis 1:20 And God said, Let the waters swarm
with swarms of living souls, [Heb nephesh] and let fowl fly above
the earth in the expanse of the heavens.
And souls have physical blood". (Genesis 9:5 KJV) lives=
(nephesh; souls.)
Nephesh = the whole of the being
Yes, when God created Adam, and Adam became alive, Adam became a
living "soul", he wasn't given one. (Gen 2:7)
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
--God is a Trinity. Yet Deut says God is "ONE". (Deut 6:4) Maybe
God is one, is not meant in the Trinity sense. The medieval
scholastics tried but failed to make sense out of it, eventually
deciding that only faith could resolve the Trinity for any given
believer.
This has, ultimately, ended up being the position of most of
Christendom: That the Trinity is true even though it’s
incomprehensible; faith is the only way to accept it. 3=1=3.
No, it has not, and the RCC is not the whole of the Church, it is
only a part, and very erroneous, albeit not as bad as the JW.
Good. You have set the JW's aside as not being a part of the
churches. As the only true religion, we will be persecuted just as
Jesus said.
Jesus brought true Bible teachings to the Jews back then. By doing
so, he stepped on religious leader's toes. Eventually they killed
him. We shouldn't expect any less.
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
Then we should do the same for Zeus or Ra. Just accept them on
faith. Right?
That is what the RCC currently teach. Which the pope has
reiterated three time this year.
You have to hand it to Satan. He has the churches in his hands, and
has them believing in an illogical doctrine, the Trinity. And worse
yet, has them believing God is a sadist that cooks His misbehaving
children in a literal fire forever. Yes he is a master at deception.
But he is angry at JW's, because they don't fall for his lies. Unless
God stops him, he would wipe them out in an instant. Yes, there is
only "one faith" (Eph 4:5), not many conflicting ones. The Christ
does not exist divided.
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
"That it was constructed not out of a desire to understand God,
but from a vendetta against a heresy (e.g. Arianism), is perhaps
what makes it as nonsensical as it seems. It was not designed as
a rational theology; it was designed only to refute other
theologies."
(http://www.earlychristianhistory.info/trinity.html"
You can believe what you want and assign your beliefs to others,
yet it does not justify your thinking.
The Holy Bible justifies our thinking. And the JW's are the only ones
fulfilling Mt 24:14 globally, and the prophecy of Isa 2:2-4. (see
American Standard Bible)
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
--The dead still live on after death. (then they are not really
dead, are they?) Yet the Bible disagrees.
When the tent of the Human, their body, a tabernacle, dies it is
dead. Returns to dust from which it came. Yet their spirit and
soul dwell on. As mentioned above as well as in scripture. How else
did Samuel speak to King Saul after he died? Or do you not believe
all of the scripture?
Did you carefully look at the context? Concerning Saul's experience
with the witch of En-dor (1 Sa 28:7-19), the context shows Saul at
that time was not obeying God. For example, 1 Sa 28:5,6 shows that
"5. When Saul saw the Philistine army, he was afraid; terror filled
his heart. 6. He inquired of the LORD, but the LORD did not answer
him by dreams or Urim or prophets." (NIV)
And Saul even admits this in verse 15, "God has turned away from me."
And since the Bible clearly says at Ec 9:5, 10 and Ps 146:3,4 the
dead are not conscience of anything, then there is no way that the
witch could talk to any dead person. (Samuel was in the grave at
that time. The Bible calls it "sheol"; the place where all the dead
went)
Saul next decides to break another one of God's laws, and seek out a
person who claims to talk to dead people. This was in clear
violation of De 18:10-12,
"10. Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or
daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery,
interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, 11. or casts spells, or
who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. 12. Anyone
who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of
these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those
nations before you."
There is a good reason why God didn't want people trying to make
communications with dead people. That is because since dead people
cannot talk to anyone, then if someone did make contact with an
alleged dead person, that 'person' had to be Satan or a demon
impersonating that dead person. 2 Co 11:14 ,
"And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light."
(NIV)
(see also 2 Th 2:9)
And talking to lying, deceitful demons is not going to make things
better for a person in the long run, no more than if you take advice
from a con man.
And just a couple more thoughts here. Even if somehow Saul was really
talking to Samuel, why would Samuel be a participant with a witch to
communicate with Saul, something the righteous Samuel knew to be
against God? (De 18:10-12) And why would Samuel talk to Saul now,
seeing that when he was alive he REFUSED to see the unrighteous Saul?
(1 Sa 15:35)
No, this was not the righteous Samuel of the Bible. Rather Saul was
communicating with something, THROUGH a spirit medium witch.
So in summary, Saul was wicked at the time, and he sought out a
wicked person to get his information. And since the Bible shows the
dead are not conscience and cannot speak to anyone, Saul could not
have been talking to Samuel himself, but rather it had to be an
impersonator of Samuel, a wicked demon spirit. And that is why God
warns His servants to not inquire of the dead, so as not to be
mislead by them.
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
--"the dead know nothing" (Ec 9:5; NIV))
--"In that very day his thoughts perish." (Ps 146:4; NASB)
--"Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep...Lazarus has died."
(NAB; John 11:11-14)
--"The dead do not praise the Lord, Nor do any who go down into
silence;" (Ps 115:17; NASB)
lighten mine eyes, lest I sleep the sleep of death;
-- William's NewTestament Acts 7:60 Then he fell on his knees
and cried out, "Lord, do not charge this sin on the book against
them!"<w> On saying this he fell asleep in death.
- New King James Acts 13:36 "For David, after he had served his
own generation by the will of God, fell asleep, was buried with
his fathers, and saw corruption;
Obviously these were speaking of the Body, but not the Person. IOW
their tabernacle, or do you disagree with the scripture.
It is because of Scripture, that I believe the way I do.
-- New King James John 11:11 These things He said, and after that
He said to them, "Our friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may
wake him up.''
Jesus was not talking about a dead body, but about THE MAN Lazarus.
The man Lazarus was sleeping (dead), Jesus was going to wake HIM (not
just a body) up.
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
I have more to show you, but these should make the point. The
Bible equates death with sleeping. You can't get around that. Do
you believe what God says, or what men say?
Do you?
I am not talking about what the Bible says just to kill time.
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
You know He is the truth.
Not by the churches. They make Jesus out to be a liar. For just
one example. Jesus said the dead are sleeping. John 11:11-14)
Churches say the dead continue to live, and either go to Heaven
or to hellfire. So that means either Jesus lied, or the Churches
know more than Jesus. You pick one.
When you die, per your cult. You are dead, gone forever,
non-existent. If you truly believe that, then why mess with any
cult or religion. After all, what is the point? You live, you die,
you wasted your time as a human, and were forced to live in a
religious state, that benefitted no one, not even yourself.
Yes, Satan wants you to believe such malarkey. Yes, all the dead now
-- New King James Acts 24:15 "I have hope in God, which they
themselves also accept, that there will be a resurrection of the
dead, both of the just and the unjust.
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
http://youtu.be/fBVJVNWkYzE
Everyone needs to spiritually wake up and have a strong cup of Bible.
Why? After all, when you are dead, “that’s all Folks"
True, that's all till the soon to be resurrection. (see above)
Sincerely James. How to survive a disaster. Bible discussion on it at
JW.org 11/22/2024
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
Sincerely James.
the Ghost, old testament... Pay attention
6 And having dipped his finger in the blood, he shall sprinkle with it
seven times before the Lord, before the veil of the sanctuary. 7 And he
shall put some of the same blood upon the horns of the altar of the
sweet incense most acceptable to the Lord, which is in the tabernacle of
the testimony. And he shall pour all the rest of the blood at the foot
of the altar of holocaust in the entry of the tabernacle.

4 For they bind heavy and insupportable burdens, and lay them on men's
shoulders; but with a finger of their own they will not move them.

19Now if I cast out devils by Beelzebub; by whom do your children cast
them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. 20 But if I by the finger
of God cast out devils; doubtless the kingdom of God is come upon you.

24 Now Thomas, one of the twelve, who is called Didymus, was not with
them when Jesus came. 25 The other disciples therefore said to him: We
have seen the Lord. But he said to them: Except I shall see in his hands
the print of the nails, and put my finger into the place of the nails,
and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.
Post by z***@windstream.net
26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas
with them. Jesus cometh, the doors being shut, and stood in the
midst, and said: Peace be to you. 27 Then he saith to Thomas: Put in
thy finger hither, and see my hands; and bring hither thy hand, and
put it into my side; and be not faithless, but believing.
He was in fact, a Ghost yes, the Holy Ghost, and Thomas, put his whole
hand into his side. Yes it went right in. Yes, He was in fact, a
Ghost. The Holy Ghost yes.

and this is for you James idiot, Many things did he do, they were not
written down in His Holy Bible.
Post by z***@windstream.net
30 Many other signs also did Jesus in the sight of his disciples,
which are not written in this book. 31 But these are written, that
you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God: and that
believing, you may have life in his name.
Now if you use the true Holy Bible DRV orginal, you will find that the
word FINGER, very important word, regarding this thing that happened of,
Miracle,,and you can see all the reasons why God did what He did.
Both Old and New testament, all coming together to make perfect sense.
And the Saints writings are correct on this also,

but James, you are not correct. Never have you been correct.
and this here, is part why you are excommunicated of yes by God.
For you do not tell the truth, but your own ideas
teslaStinker
2024-11-23 00:53:24 UTC
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Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 09:26:38 +1100, In the Name of Jesus
You know the truth.
Morning, hope all is well.
Sorry to rain on your parade. but most of Christendom does not know
ALL the Bible truths. I am not going to go into details here, but
--Jesus is Jehovah. That would mean Jesus raised himself from the
dead. (great trick if you can pull it off)
False statement created by inability to read the scripture. His Father raised
him from the dead.
If Jesus IS God, then he raised himself. No getting around it.
no. acts 2, states, he had not a corrupted body, unlike yours.
when you go to hell, you will corrupt. Count on it.. excommunicated idiot.

And if that is true, of which it is, Jesus was a ghost yes.

30 Whereas therefore he was a prophet, and knew that God hath sworn to
him with an oath, that of the fruit of his loins one should sit upon his
throne. 31 Foreseeing this, he spoke of the resurrection of Christ. For
neither was he left in hell, neither did his flesh see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised again, whereof all we are witnesses.

33 Being exalted therefore by the right hand of God, and having received
of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath poured forth this
which you see and hear. 34 For David ascended not into heaven; but he
himself said: The Lord said to my Lord, sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy enemies thy footstool.

he was actually a ghost of the Holy Ghost, uncorupted body yes. Dead,
no. Yes God raised Him. Yes, a ghost. A Perfect Body. So you see,
your full of shit telling people, there is no biblical ghost, when
there is. He is proof. Himself. Perfect Body.


stop reading your goofed up fake changed Bibles by the devil, and you
just may agree and say, one day,,,,its true
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
--People have an immortal soul. But the Bible says a soul [Heb
nephesh] CAN DIE. (Eze 18:4 KJV) Also, biblically, fish are also
Immortal is immortal, whether it be with the Heavenly Father or residing in
the lake of Fire and Brimstone. Death, in this case, means separation from
GOD.
Then why did Job desire death? Did he really want to be separated from
God? (Job 14:13) Actually Job wanted to go to hell (sheol) to get
relief.
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
-- Darby's Bible
Genesis 1:20 And God said, Let the waters swarm with swarms of living
souls, [Heb nephesh] and let fowl fly above the earth in the expanse
of the heavens.
And souls have physical blood". (Genesis 9:5 KJV) lives= (nephesh;
souls.)
Nephesh = the whole of the being
Yes, when God created Adam, and Adam became alive, Adam became a
living "soul", he wasn't given one. (Gen 2:7)
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
--God is a Trinity. Yet Deut says God is "ONE". (Deut 6:4)
Maybe God is one, is not meant in the Trinity sense. The medieval
scholastics tried but failed to make sense out of it, eventually
deciding that only faith could resolve the Trinity for any given
believer.
This has, ultimately, ended up being the position of most of
Christendom: That the Trinity is true even though it’s
incomprehensible; faith is the only way to accept it. 3=1=3.
No, it has not, and the RCC is not the whole of the Church, it is only a
part, and very erroneous, albeit not as bad as the JW.
Good. You have set the JW's aside as not being a part of the churches.
As the only true religion, we will be persecuted just as Jesus said.
Jesus brought true Bible teachings to the Jews back then. By doing so,
he stepped on religious leader's toes. Eventually they killed him. We
shouldn't expect any less.
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
Then we should do the same for Zeus or Ra. Just accept them on faith.
Right?
That is what the RCC currently teach. Which the pope has reiterated three
time this year.
You have to hand it to Satan. He has the churches in his hands, and
has them believing in an illogical doctrine, the Trinity. And worse
yet, has them believing God is a sadist that cooks His misbehaving
children in a literal fire forever. Yes he is a master at deception.
But he is angry at JW's, because they don't fall for his lies. Unless
God stops him, he would wipe them out in an instant. Yes, there is
only "one faith" (Eph 4:5), not many conflicting ones. The Christ does
not exist divided.
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
"That it was constructed not out of a desire to understand God, but
from a vendetta against a heresy (e.g. Arianism), is perhaps what
makes it as nonsensical as it seems. It was not designed as a rational
theology; it was designed only to refute other theologies."
(http://www.earlychristianhistory.info/trinity.html"
You can believe what you want and assign your beliefs to others, yet it does
not justify your thinking.
The Holy Bible justifies our thinking. And the JW's are the only ones
fulfilling Mt 24:14 globally, and the prophecy of Isa 2:2-4. (see
American Standard Bible)
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
--The dead still live on after death. (then they are not really dead,
are they?) Yet the Bible disagrees.
When the tent of the Human, their body, a tabernacle, dies it is dead.
Returns to dust from which it came. Yet their spirit and soul dwell on. As
mentioned above as well as in scripture. How else did Samuel speak to King
Saul after he died? Or do you not believe all of the scripture?
Did you carefully look at the context? Concerning Saul's experience
with the witch of En-dor (1 Sa 28:7-19), the context shows Saul at
that time was not obeying God. For example, 1 Sa 28:5,6 shows that God
"5. When Saul saw the Philistine army, he was afraid; terror filled
his heart.
6. He inquired of the LORD, but the LORD did not answer him by
dreams or Urim or prophets." (NIV)
And Saul even admits this in verse 15, "God has turned away from me."
And since the Bible clearly says at Ec 9:5, 10 and Ps 146:3,4 the dead
are not conscience of anything, then there is no way that the witch
could talk to any dead person. (Samuel was in the grave at that time.
The Bible calls it "sheol"; the place where all the dead went)
Saul next decides to break another one of God's laws, and seek out a
person who claims to talk to dead people. This was in clear violation
of De 18:10-12,
"10. Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter
in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens,
engages in witchcraft,
11. or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults
the dead.
12. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and
because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out
those nations before you."
There is a good reason why God didn't want people trying to make
communications with dead people. That is because since dead people
cannot talk to anyone, then if someone did make contact with an
alleged dead person, that 'person' had to be Satan or a demon
impersonating that dead person. 2 Co 11:14 ,
"And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light."
(NIV)
(see also 2 Th 2:9)
And talking to lying, deceitful demons is not going to make things
better for a person in the long run, no more than if you take advice
from a con man.
And just a couple more thoughts here. Even if somehow Saul was really
talking to Samuel, why would Samuel be a participant with a witch to
communicate with Saul, something the righteous Samuel knew to be
against God? (De 18:10-12) And why would Samuel talk to Saul now,
seeing that when he was alive he REFUSED to see the unrighteous Saul?
(1 Sa 15:35)
No, this was not the righteous Samuel of the Bible. Rather Saul was
communicating with something, THROUGH a spirit medium witch.
So in summary, Saul was wicked at the time, and he sought out a wicked
person to get his information. And since the Bible shows the dead are
not conscience and cannot speak to anyone, Saul could not have been
talking to Samuel himself, but rather it had to be an impersonator of
Samuel, a wicked demon spirit. And that is why God warns His servants
to not inquire of the dead, so as not to be mislead by them.
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
--"the dead know nothing" (Ec 9:5; NIV))
--"In that very day his thoughts perish." (Ps 146:4; NASB)
--"Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep...Lazarus has died." (NAB;
John 11:11-14)
--"The dead do not praise the Lord, Nor do any who go down into
silence;" (Ps 115:17; NASB)
-- King James
Psalms 13:3 Consider and hear me, O Lord my God: lighten mine eyes,
lest I sleep the sleep of death;
-- William's NewTestament
Acts 7:60 Then he fell on his knees and cried out, "Lord, do not
charge this sin on the book against them!"<w> On saying this he fell
asleep in death.
- New King James
Acts 13:36 "For David, after he had served his own generation by the
will of God, fell asleep, was buried with his fathers, and saw
corruption;
Obviously these were speaking of the Body, but not the Person. IOW their
tabernacle, or do you disagree with the scripture.
It is because of Scripture, that I believe the way I do.
-- New King James
John 11:11 These things He said, and after that He said to them, "Our
friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up.''
Jesus was not talking about a dead body, but about THE MAN Lazarus.
The man Lazarus was sleeping (dead), Jesus was going to wake HIM (not
just a body) up.
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
I have more to show you, but these should make the point. The Bible
equates death with sleeping. You can't get around that. Do you believe
what God says, or what men say?
Do you?
I am not talking about what the Bible says just to kill time.
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
You know He is the truth.
Not by the churches. They make Jesus out to be a liar. For just one
example. Jesus said the dead are sleeping. John 11:11-14) Churches say
the dead continue to live, and either go to Heaven or to hellfire. So
that means either Jesus lied, or the Churches know more than Jesus.
You pick one.
When you die, per your cult. You are dead, gone forever, non-existent. If you
truly believe that, then why mess with any cult or religion. After all, what
is the point? You live, you die, you wasted your time as a human, and were
forced to live in a religious state, that benefitted no one, not even
yourself.
Yes, Satan wants you to believe such malarkey. Yes, all the dead now
-- New King James
Acts 24:15 "I have hope in God, which they themselves also accept,
that there will be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and
the unjust.
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
http://youtu.be/fBVJVNWkYzE
Everyone needs to spiritually wake up and have a strong cup of Bible.
Why? After all, when you are dead, “that’s all Folks"
True, that's all till the soon to be resurrection. (see above)
Sincerely James.
How to survive a disaster.
Bible discussion on it at
JW.org 11/22/2024
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
Sincerely James.
z***@windstream.net
2024-11-25 22:40:45 UTC
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On Fri, 22 Nov 2024 16:53:24 -0800, teslaStinker
Post by teslaStinker
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 09:26:38 +1100, In the Name of Jesus
You know the truth.
Morning, hope all is well.
Sorry to rain on your parade. but most of Christendom does not know
ALL the Bible truths. I am not going to go into details here, but
--Jesus is Jehovah. That would mean Jesus raised himself from the
dead. (great trick if you can pull it off)
False statement created by inability to read the scripture. His Father raised
him from the dead.
If Jesus IS God, then he raised himself. No getting around it.
no. acts 2, states, he had not a corrupted body, unlike yours.
when you go to hell, you will corrupt. Count on it.. excommunicated idiot.
And if that is true, of which it is, Jesus was a ghost yes.
30 Whereas therefore he was a prophet, and knew that God hath sworn to
him with an oath, that of the fruit of his loins one should sit upon his
throne. 31 Foreseeing this, he spoke of the resurrection of Christ. For
neither was he left in hell, neither did his flesh see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised again, whereof all we are witnesses.
33 Being exalted therefore by the right hand of God, and having received
of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath poured forth this
which you see and hear. 34 For David ascended not into heaven; but he
himself said: The Lord said to my Lord, sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy enemies thy footstool.
he was actually a ghost of the Holy Ghost, uncorupted body yes. Dead,
no. Yes God raised Him. Yes, a ghost. A Perfect Body. So you see,
your full of shit telling people, there is no biblical ghost, when
there is. He is proof. Himself. Perfect Body.
I am talking about those 'ghosts' people see in haunted houses, etc.
And they believe ghosts are dead humans, coming back to haunt them.
That Biblically can't happen. Why? Dead humans are not conscious
anywhere.

Concerning the dead:

--"the dead know nothing" (Ec 9:5; NIV))

--"In that very day his thoughts perish." (Ps 146:4; NASB)

--"Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep...Lazarus has died." (NAB; Mt
11:11-14)

--"The dead do not praise the Lord, Nor do any who go down into
silence;" (Ps 115:17; NASB)
Post by teslaStinker
stop reading your goofed up fake changed Bibles by the devil, and you
just may agree and say, one day,,,,its true
The NWT Bible is the most accurate of all. You have been listening to
false Christians. And I can prove it.

God's name is found in the Bible about 7000 times in the form of the
Hebrew Tetragrammaton YHWH. Most all Bible translators have removed
it, and ADDED into their Bible the word "Lord" etc, instead. The word
"Lord" is a title, not a name.

So it's likely that your Bible has those about 7000 errors. Not a good
start is it. THEY EVEN MAKE GOD A LIAR!! Notice:

-- New King James
Exodus 6:3 "I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God
Almighty, but by My name, Lord, I was not known to them.

Lord is a title, not a name. Now for more accuracy:

(Exodus 6:3) And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God
Almighty, but with regard to my name Jehovah I did not make myself
known to them. (NWT)

-- King James
Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob,
by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to
them.

-- American Standard
Exodus 6:3 and I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob,
as God Almighty; but by my name Jehovah I was not known to them.

-- Young's Bible
Exodus 6:3 and I appear unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, as
God Almighty; as to My name Jehovah, I have not been known to them;

-- Darby's Bible
Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob,
as the Almighty God; but by my name Jehovah I was not made known to
them.

-- Webster's Bible
Exodus 6:3 And I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, by [the
name of] God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

Sincerely James.
Woman and God.
Bible discussion on it at
JW.org 11/25/2024
Post by teslaStinker
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
--People have an immortal soul. But the Bible says a soul [Heb
nephesh] CAN DIE. (Eze 18:4 KJV) Also, biblically, fish are also
Immortal is immortal, whether it be with the Heavenly Father or residing in
the lake of Fire and Brimstone. Death, in this case, means separation from
GOD.
Then why did Job desire death? Did he really want to be separated from
God? (Job 14:13) Actually Job wanted to go to hell (sheol) to get
relief.
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
-- Darby's Bible
Genesis 1:20 And God said, Let the waters swarm with swarms of living
souls, [Heb nephesh] and let fowl fly above the earth in the expanse
of the heavens.
And souls have physical blood". (Genesis 9:5 KJV) lives= (nephesh;
souls.)
Nephesh = the whole of the being
Yes, when God created Adam, and Adam became alive, Adam became a
living "soul", he wasn't given one. (Gen 2:7)
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
--God is a Trinity. Yet Deut says God is "ONE". (Deut 6:4)
Maybe God is one, is not meant in the Trinity sense. The medieval
scholastics tried but failed to make sense out of it, eventually
deciding that only faith could resolve the Trinity for any given
believer.
This has, ultimately, ended up being the position of most of
Christendom: That the Trinity is true even though it’s
incomprehensible; faith is the only way to accept it. 3=1=3.
No, it has not, and the RCC is not the whole of the Church, it is only a
part, and very erroneous, albeit not as bad as the JW.
Good. You have set the JW's aside as not being a part of the churches.
As the only true religion, we will be persecuted just as Jesus said.
Jesus brought true Bible teachings to the Jews back then. By doing so,
he stepped on religious leader's toes. Eventually they killed him. We
shouldn't expect any less.
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
Then we should do the same for Zeus or Ra. Just accept them on faith.
Right?
That is what the RCC currently teach. Which the pope has reiterated three
time this year.
You have to hand it to Satan. He has the churches in his hands, and
has them believing in an illogical doctrine, the Trinity. And worse
yet, has them believing God is a sadist that cooks His misbehaving
children in a literal fire forever. Yes he is a master at deception.
But he is angry at JW's, because they don't fall for his lies. Unless
God stops him, he would wipe them out in an instant. Yes, there is
only "one faith" (Eph 4:5), not many conflicting ones. The Christ does
not exist divided.
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
"That it was constructed not out of a desire to understand God, but
from a vendetta against a heresy (e.g. Arianism), is perhaps what
makes it as nonsensical as it seems. It was not designed as a rational
theology; it was designed only to refute other theologies."
(http://www.earlychristianhistory.info/trinity.html"
You can believe what you want and assign your beliefs to others, yet it does
not justify your thinking.
The Holy Bible justifies our thinking. And the JW's are the only ones
fulfilling Mt 24:14 globally, and the prophecy of Isa 2:2-4. (see
American Standard Bible)
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
--The dead still live on after death. (then they are not really dead,
are they?) Yet the Bible disagrees.
When the tent of the Human, their body, a tabernacle, dies it is dead.
Returns to dust from which it came. Yet their spirit and soul dwell on. As
mentioned above as well as in scripture. How else did Samuel speak to King
Saul after he died? Or do you not believe all of the scripture?
Did you carefully look at the context? Concerning Saul's experience
with the witch of En-dor (1 Sa 28:7-19), the context shows Saul at
that time was not obeying God. For example, 1 Sa 28:5,6 shows that God
"5. When Saul saw the Philistine army, he was afraid; terror filled
his heart.
6. He inquired of the LORD, but the LORD did not answer him by
dreams or Urim or prophets." (NIV)
And Saul even admits this in verse 15, "God has turned away from me."
And since the Bible clearly says at Ec 9:5, 10 and Ps 146:3,4 the dead
are not conscience of anything, then there is no way that the witch
could talk to any dead person. (Samuel was in the grave at that time.
The Bible calls it "sheol"; the place where all the dead went)
Saul next decides to break another one of God's laws, and seek out a
person who claims to talk to dead people. This was in clear violation
of De 18:10-12,
"10. Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter
in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens,
engages in witchcraft,
11. or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults
the dead.
12. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and
because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out
those nations before you."
There is a good reason why God didn't want people trying to make
communications with dead people. That is because since dead people
cannot talk to anyone, then if someone did make contact with an
alleged dead person, that 'person' had to be Satan or a demon
impersonating that dead person. 2 Co 11:14 ,
"And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light."
(NIV)
(see also 2 Th 2:9)
And talking to lying, deceitful demons is not going to make things
better for a person in the long run, no more than if you take advice
from a con man.
And just a couple more thoughts here. Even if somehow Saul was really
talking to Samuel, why would Samuel be a participant with a witch to
communicate with Saul, something the righteous Samuel knew to be
against God? (De 18:10-12) And why would Samuel talk to Saul now,
seeing that when he was alive he REFUSED to see the unrighteous Saul?
(1 Sa 15:35)
No, this was not the righteous Samuel of the Bible. Rather Saul was
communicating with something, THROUGH a spirit medium witch.
So in summary, Saul was wicked at the time, and he sought out a wicked
person to get his information. And since the Bible shows the dead are
not conscience and cannot speak to anyone, Saul could not have been
talking to Samuel himself, but rather it had to be an impersonator of
Samuel, a wicked demon spirit. And that is why God warns His servants
to not inquire of the dead, so as not to be mislead by them.
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
--"the dead know nothing" (Ec 9:5; NIV))
--"In that very day his thoughts perish." (Ps 146:4; NASB)
--"Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep...Lazarus has died." (NAB;
John 11:11-14)
--"The dead do not praise the Lord, Nor do any who go down into
silence;" (Ps 115:17; NASB)
-- King James
Psalms 13:3 Consider and hear me, O Lord my God: lighten mine eyes,
lest I sleep the sleep of death;
-- William's NewTestament
Acts 7:60 Then he fell on his knees and cried out, "Lord, do not
charge this sin on the book against them!"<w> On saying this he fell
asleep in death.
- New King James
Acts 13:36 "For David, after he had served his own generation by the
will of God, fell asleep, was buried with his fathers, and saw
corruption;
Obviously these were speaking of the Body, but not the Person. IOW their
tabernacle, or do you disagree with the scripture.
It is because of Scripture, that I believe the way I do.
-- New King James
John 11:11 These things He said, and after that He said to them, "Our
friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up.''
Jesus was not talking about a dead body, but about THE MAN Lazarus.
The man Lazarus was sleeping (dead), Jesus was going to wake HIM (not
just a body) up.
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
I have more to show you, but these should make the point. The Bible
equates death with sleeping. You can't get around that. Do you believe
what God says, or what men say?
Do you?
I am not talking about what the Bible says just to kill time.
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
You know He is the truth.
Not by the churches. They make Jesus out to be a liar. For just one
example. Jesus said the dead are sleeping. John 11:11-14) Churches say
the dead continue to live, and either go to Heaven or to hellfire. So
that means either Jesus lied, or the Churches know more than Jesus.
You pick one.
When you die, per your cult. You are dead, gone forever, non-existent. If you
truly believe that, then why mess with any cult or religion. After all, what
is the point? You live, you die, you wasted your time as a human, and were
forced to live in a religious state, that benefitted no one, not even
yourself.
Yes, Satan wants you to believe such malarkey. Yes, all the dead now
-- New King James
Acts 24:15 "I have hope in God, which they themselves also accept,
that there will be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and
the unjust.
Post by None
Post by z***@windstream.net
http://youtu.be/fBVJVNWkYzE
Everyone needs to spiritually wake up and have a strong cup of Bible.
Why? After all, when you are dead, “that’s all Folks"
True, that's all till the soon to be resurrection. (see above)
Sincerely James.
How to survive a disaster.
Bible discussion on it at
JW.org 11/22/2024
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Sincerely James.
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(Exodus 6:3) And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God
Almighty, but with regard to my name Jehovah I did not make myself
known to them. (NWT)
You got it wrong from the beginning. One of his names was Yehovah, not
Jehovah.

Now the NWT is still erroneous just like the last few bibles you said were
“the One”, and the bibles that were used by the JW from its beginning you
now declare as all being incorrect.

Therefore all your teachings are incorrect, and inaccurate, as you seldom
stick to the NWT and prefer to use what you call corrupted bibles.

Your good friend Tesla used to claim the that KJV was the original copy of
the Bible. Bow he claims that the Darby is the way to go. Go figger! Just
wait till he finds out that you were once a RC. :)
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BTW “God” is a title, not a name.
Of course. Jehovah is a name, not a title. Found around 7000 times in
the Bible. But sadly, most Bibles have removed it and instead insert
the word "Lord" instead.
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(Exodus 6:3) And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God
Almighty, but with regard to my name Jehovah I did not make myself
known to them. (NWT)
You got it wrong from the beginning. One of his names was Yehovah, not
Jehovah.
How do you know it is the correct transliteration "Yehovah"? No one
knows the vowels that belong there. Yours is just a guess. The
translation "Jehovah" has been around for many decades, long before
Jehovah's Witnesses were named.
Now the NWT is still erroneous just like the last few bibles you said were
“the One”, and the bibles that were used by the JW from its beginning you
now declare as all being incorrect.
Yes, JW's upgraded the Bible with their own translation, as the
example mentioned at Pr 4:18.
Therefore all your teachings are incorrect, and inaccurate, as you seldom
stick to the NWT and prefer to use what you call corrupted bibles.
I try to use the Bibles that most are comfortable with. Why start out
with prejudiced against a translation, which many people are against
the NWT. I usually try to make sure they also agree with the NWT.
And if not, I try to bring out the difference.
Your good friend Tesla used to claim the that KJV was the original copy of
the Bible. Bow he claims that the Darby is the way to go. Go figger! Just
wait till he finds out that you were once a RC. :)
??? I have no idea what you are talking about. Who is Tesla? Yes, I
was once a Roman Catholic. What's that got to do with the theme;
ghosts?

At any rate:

Sincerely James.
Woman and God.
Bible discussion on it at
JW.org 11/25/2024
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BTW “God” is a title, not a name.
Of course. Jehovah is a name, not a title. Found around 7000 times in
the Bible. But sadly, most Bibles have removed it and instead insert
the word "Lord" instead.
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(Exodus 6:3) And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God
Almighty, but with regard to my name Jehovah I did not make myself
known to them. (NWT)
You got it wrong from the beginning. One of his names was Yehovah, not
Jehovah.
How do you know it is the correct transliteration "Yehovah"? No one
knows the vowels that belong there. Yours is just a guess. The
translation "Jehovah" has been around for many decades, long before
Jehovah's Witnesses were named.
Are you all really that ignorant of translations?
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Now the NWT is still erroneous just like the last few bibles you said were
“the One”, and the bibles that were used by the JW from its beginning
you now declare as all being incorrect.
Yes, JW's upgraded the Bible with their own translation, as the
example mentioned at Pr 4:18.
Upgraded what to what?

Because it is now a little more transformed to their doctrines of men, that
their previous translations based on the NIV, do not mean that it conforms to
the original truth of God.
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Therefore all your teachings are incorrect, and inaccurate, as you seldom
stick to the NWT and prefer to use what you call corrupted bibles.
I try to use the Bibles that most are comfortable with. Why start out
with prejudiced against a translation, which many people are against
the NWT. I usually try to make sure they also agree with the NWT.
And if not, I try to bring out the difference.
So, just like the RC’s you are willing to sacrifice truth in order to con
people into conformity of your evil ways.
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Your good friend Tesla used to claim the that KJV was the original copy of
the Bible. Bow he claims that the Darby is the way to go. Go figger! Just
wait till he finds out that you were once a RC. :)
??? I have no idea what you are talking about. Who is Tesla? Yes, I
was once a Roman Catholic. What's that got to do with the theme;
ghosts?
You are clueless about to whom you exchange posts with? Are we all just
nameless faces to you?
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Sincerely James.
Woman and God.
Bible discussion on it at
JW.org 11/25/2024
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On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 09:26:38 +1100, In the Name of Jesus
You know the truth.
Morning, hope all is well.
Sorry to rain on your parade. but most of Christendom does not know
ALL the Bible truths. I am not going to go into details here, but
Jesus is Jehovah. That would mean Jesus raised himself from the
dead. (great trick if you can pull it off)
False statement created by inability to read the scripture. His Father raised
him from the dead.
If Jesus IS God, then he raised himself. No getting around it.
It Jesus and I are one, am I God?

“That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that
they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent
me.” (Jhn 17:21, KJV)

No getting around it.
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--People have an immortal soul. But the Bible says a soul [Heb
nephesh] CAN DIE. (Eze 18:4 KJV) Also, biblically, fish are also
Immortal is immortal, whether it be with the Heavenly Father or residing in
the lake of Fire and Brimstone. Death, in this case, means separation from
GOD.
Then why did Job desire death? Did he really want to be separated from
God? (Job 14:13) Actually Job wanted to go to hell (sheol) to get
relief.
Your failure to understand scripture is do to you having no relationship with
God.
Your failure to understand scripture is because you do not believe the Word
of God.

“And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole
spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord
Jesus Christ.” (1Th 5:23, KJV) no getting round it.

“Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall
return unto God who gave it.” (Ecc 12:7, KJV) Again,...No doubt about it!
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-- Darby's Bible
Genesis 1:20 And God said, Let the waters swarm with swarms of living
souls, [Heb nephesh] and let fowl fly above the earth in the expanse
of the heavens.
And souls have physical blood". (Genesis 9:5 KJV) lives= (nephesh;
souls.)
Nephesh = the whole of the being
Yes, when God created Adam, and Adam became alive, Adam became a
living "soul", he wasn't given one. (Gen 2:7)
“And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into
his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” (Gen 2:7,
KJV)

You should have read the scripture of God, seen the truth, and as you pointed
to this exact scripture, using a translation you often quote from, you
evidently saw this truth, and therefore lied and tried to deceive any who
read your reply.
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--God is a Trinity. Yet Deut says God is "ONE". (Deut 6:4)
Maybe God is one, is not meant in the Trinity sense. The medieval
scholastics tried but failed to make sense out of it, eventually
deciding that only faith could resolve the Trinity for any given
believer.
This has, ultimately, ended up being the position of most of
Christendom: That the Trinity is true even though it’s
incomprehensible; faith is the only way to accept it. 3=1=3.
No, it has not, and the RCC is not the whole of the Church, it is only a
part, and very erroneous, albeit not as bad as the JW.
Good. You have set the JW's aside as not being a part of the churches.
As the only true religion, we will be persecuted just as Jesus said.
There is not scripture that supports the JW’s as a true religion.
That you have no part with any of the churches, there is no doubt.
Thus you cannot be christian.

In the NT in the book of James is the only true religion mentioned, which
meets the definition of religion. The other religion that was sanctified by
God is those under the Covenant of Law, the “mosaic law”, which has been
fulfilled by Jesus.
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Jesus brought true Bible teachings to the Jews back then. By doing so,
he stepped on religious leader's toes. Eventually they killed him. We
shouldn't expect any less.
Then when any nation goes to war with another, the true JW should lead in the
battlefield, en masse, and say shoot me as they lay down their lives for
others in the hope that others would be spared.
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Then we should do the same for Zeus or Ra. Just accept them on faith.
Right?
That is what the RCC currently teach. Which the pope has reiterated three
time this year.
You have to hand it to Satan. He has the churches in his hands, and
has them believing in an illogical doctrine, the Trinity. And worse
yet, has them believing God is a sadist that cooks His misbehaving
children in a literal fire forever. Yes he is a master at deception.
And you walk in his footsteps likewise. The RCC speaks not for God, and is
not “the True Church” any more than the JW’s claim to be.
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But he is angry at JW's, because they don't fall for his lies. Unless
God stops him, he would wipe them out in an instant. Yes, there is
only "one faith" (Eph 4:5), not many conflicting ones. The Christ does
not exist divided.
Faith: belief with the predominate idea of trust (or confidence) whether in
God or in Christ, springing from faith in the same.
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"That it was constructed not out of a desire to understand God, but
from a vendetta against a heresy (e.g. Arianism), is perhaps what
makes it as nonsensical as it seems. It was not designed as a rational
theology; it was designed only to refute other theologies."
(http://www.earlychristianhistory.info/trinity.html"
You can believe what you want and assign your beliefs to others, yet it does
not justify your thinking.
The Holy Bible justifies our thinking. And the JW's are the only ones
fulfilling Mt 24:14 globally, and the prophecy of Isa 2:2-4. (see
American Standard Bible)
Why are you so deceitful and propagating a lie of the JW?
First off, you are “Jehovah’s Witnesses” of so you claim. Therefore not
witnesses of Jesus as Messiah. The Anointed One. Jesus you deny as being part
of the Godhead. Therefore his teachings, the Gospel of the Kingdom, are to
you foreign, and having no part with Jehovah. Isaiah 2:2-4 have no bearing on
or with the Gospel Message for the people of today. The JW does not even
believe that Jesus was raised from the dead.
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--The dead still live on after death. (then they are not really dead,
are they?) Yet the Bible disagrees.
When the tent of the Human, their body, a tabernacle, dies it is dead.
Returns to dust from which it came. Yet their spirit and soul dwell on. As
mentioned above as well as in scripture. How else did Samuel speak to King
Saul after he died? Or do you not believe all of the scripture?
Did you carefully look at the context? Concerning Saul's experience
with the witch of En-dor (1 Sa 28:7-19), the context shows Saul at
that time was not obeying God. For example, 1 Sa 28:5,6 shows that God
Yes, that was and is true, but it has nothing to do with discounting things
of the spirit, whether it has to do with God or Satanic spirits, they still
existed and were at war/
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"5. When Saul saw the Philistine army, he was afraid; terror filled
his heart.
6. He inquired of the LORD, but the LORD did not answer him by
dreams or Urim or prophets." (NIV)
And Saul even admits this in verse 15, "God has turned away from me."
And since the Bible clearly says at Ec 9:5, 10 and Ps 146:3,4 the dead
are not conscience of anything, then there is no way that the witch
could talk to any dead person. (Samuel was in the grave at that time.
The Bible calls it "sheol"; the place where all the dead went)
Saul next decides to break another one of God's laws, and seek out a
person who claims to talk to dead people. This was in clear violation
of De 18:10-12,
"10. Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter
in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens,
engages in witchcraft,
11. or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults
the dead.
12. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and
because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out
those nations before you."
There is a good reason why God didn't want people trying to make
communications with dead people. That is because since dead people
cannot talk to anyone, then if someone did make contact with an
alleged dead person, that 'person' had to be Satan or a demon
impersonating that dead person. 2 Co 11:14 ,
"And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light."
(NIV)
All that just to use that scripture which spoke not of a person but of satan,
a fallen angel, the lead angel when he was in heaven before his fall. You
deal with foul spirits all the time in your organization, it is he that fills
your minds with such lies, half truths, and deceit.
No one in your organization hears the voice of God, and no one there has
access before Him.
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(see also 2 Th 2:9)
Read it yourself, for it says that he has not yet come.
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And talking to lying, deceitful demons is not going to make things
better for a person in the long run, no more than if you take advice
from a con man.
Yet you listen to those who are instructed by the “Father of Lies”.
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And just a couple more thoughts here. Even if somehow Saul was really
talking to Samuel, why would Samuel be a participant with a witch to
communicate with Saul, something the righteous Samuel knew to be
against God? (De 18:10-12) And why would Samuel talk to Saul now,
seeing that when he was alive he REFUSED to see the unrighteous Saul?
(1 Sa 15:35)
V35 says that he came no more to see Saul.

Which was true. Even in death for it was the woman of Endor that he saw from
Sheol.
She was shook up when she saw Samuel, and immediately then recognized that it
was Saul that came to her, despite his disguise.

1Sa 28:12 (KJV) And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice:
and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art
Saul.

1Sa 28:13 (KJV) And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest
thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.

1Sa 28:14 (KJV) And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An
old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that
it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.

1Sa 28:15 (KJV) And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to
bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines
make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more,
neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou
mayest make known unto me what I shall do.

1Sa 28:16 (KJV) Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing
the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy?

1Sa 28:17 (KJV) And the LORD hath done to him, as he spake by me: for the
LORD hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy
neighbour,even to David:

1Sa 28:18 (KJV) Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the LORD, nor
executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the LORD done this
thing unto thee this day.

1Sa 28:19 (KJV) Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with thee into the
hand of the Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me:
the LORD also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the
Philistines.

1Sa 28:20 (KJV) Then Saul fell straightway all along on the earth, and was
sore afraid, because of the words of Samuel: and there was no strength in
him; for he had eaten no bread all the day, nor all the night.
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No, this was not the righteous Samuel of the Bible. Rather Saul was
communicating with something, THROUGH a spirit medium witch.
That was the righteous Samuel who spoke, from Sheol. Via the one with
familiar spirits, for she would have never, ever, been privy to what Samuel
spoke to Saul before he died, and Samuel was upset, and rightfully so that he
was bothered by evil humans.

These verses fit in very well, contextually, regarding the spirit of men who
continue in existence as the Verse I quoted to you above from the Book of
Ecc.
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So in summary, Saul was wicked at the time, and he sought out a wicked
person to get his information. And since the Bible shows the dead are
not conscience and cannot speak to anyone, Saul could not have been
talking to Samuel himself, but rather it had to be an impersonator of
Samuel, a wicked demon spirit. And that is why God warns His servants
to not inquire of the dead, so as not to be mislead by them.
Ah, there you go again with your deceit, and denial of the scriptures of God.
The spirit of Samuel spoke the truth to Saul, via the woman at Endor. To deny
that would be to deny the scriptures of Almighty God.
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--"the dead know nothing" (Ec 9:5; NIV))
--"In that very day his thoughts perish." (Ps 146:4; NASB)
--"Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep...Lazarus has died." (NAB;
John 11:11-14)
--"The dead do not praise the Lord, Nor do any who go down into
silence;" (Ps 115:17; NASB)
-- King James
Psalms 13:3 Consider and hear me, O Lord my God: lighten mine eyes,
lest I sleep the sleep of death;
-- William's NewTestament
Acts 7:60 Then he fell on his knees and cried out, "Lord, do not
charge this sin on the book against them!"<w> On saying this he fell
asleep in death.
- New King James
Acts 13:36 "For David, after he had served his own generation by the
will of God, fell asleep, was buried with his fathers, and saw
corruption;
Obviously these were speaking of the Body, but not the Person. IOW their
tabernacle, or do you disagree with the scripture.
It is because of Scripture, that I believe the way I do.
No, because you know not the scriptures nor the Spirit of God who gave
inspiration of these words to Man. You believe that way you do because you
have been deceived and thereby you believe a lie.
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-- New King James
John 11:11 These things He said, and after that He said to them, "Our
friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up.''
Jesus was not talking about a dead body, but about THE MAN Lazarus.
The man Lazarus was sleeping (dead), Jesus was going to wake HIM (not
just a body) up.
Like you. “Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had
spoken of taking of rest in sleep.” (Jhn 11:13, KJV)

“Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead. And I am glad for your
sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us
go unto him.” (Jhn 11:14-15, KJV)

Just like you, at that time they did not understand Body, Soul, and Spirit,
and how it related to them in this world.
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I have more to show you, but these should make the point. The Bible
equates death with sleeping. You can't get around that. Do you believe
what God says, or what men say?
Do you?
I am not talking about what the Bible says just to kill time.
Yes, you are. For when you die, according to your belief, you are fully dead,
never more to rise. What you do benefits no one, not even you.
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You know He is the truth.
Not by the churches. They make Jesus out to be a liar. For just one
example. Jesus said the dead are sleeping. John 11:11-14) Churches say
the dead continue to live, and either go to Heaven or to hellfire. So
that means either Jesus lied, or the Churches know more than Jesus.
You pick one.
When you die, per your cult. You are dead, gone forever, non-existent. If you
truly believe that, then why mess with any cult or religion. After all, what
is the point? You live, you die, you wasted your time as a human, and were
forced to live in a religious state, that benefitted no one, not even
yourself.
Yes, Satan wants you to believe such malarkey. Yes, all the dead now
-- New King James
Acts 24:15 "I have hope in God, which they themselves also accept,
that there will be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and
the unjust.
Yet you deny that Jesus rose from the dead. Even thought scripture teaches
this.

“And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten
of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved
us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,” (Rev 1:5, KJV)
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http://youtu.be/fBVJVNWkYzE
Everyone needs to spiritually wake up and have a strong cup of Bible.
Why? After all, when you are dead, “that’s all Folks"
True, that's all till the soon to be resurrection. (see above)
Which you do not and cannot believe, since all your JW life you have taught
that the dead are dead and cease to exist in any form. And even reiterated
the self same scriptures that you claim prove your religious beliefs.

If the Bible contradicts itself, then it cannot be of God.
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Sincerely James.
Christ Rose
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If Jesus IS God, then he raised himself. No getting around it.
Are you finally admitting that?

1. "Jesus answered them, 'Destroy this temple, and in three days I
will raise it up.' The Jews then said, 'It has taken forty-six years to
build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?' But he was
speaking about the temple of his body" (John 2:19-21, ESV).

2. "For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that
I may take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my
own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to
take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father" (John
10:17-18, ESV).

This doesn't change the fact the Father raised Him up:

1. "This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses" (Acts
2:32, ESV).

2. "The God of our fathers raised Jesus, whom you killed by hanging him
on a tree" (Acts 5:30, ESV).

3. "Paul, an apostle—not from men nor through man, but through Jesus
Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead" (Galatians 1:1,
ESV).

4. "If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you,
he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your
mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you" (Romans 8:11, ESV).

These verses affirm that God the Father played an active role in raising
Jesus from the dead.

1. "If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you,
he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your
mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you" (Romans 8:11, ESV).

2. "For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the
unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the
flesh but made alive in the spirit" (1 Peter 3:18, ESV).

These verses show that the Holy Spirit was involved in raising Jesus
from the dead, emphasizing the unity of the Trinity in the resurrection.
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Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (†), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved.'" (Romans 10:13, ESV)

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